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posted on Nov, 25 2023 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: Terpene
Lol, love this thread...

When # hits the fan, communism will be our best survival strategy. Didn't think to read that on ATS



Adopting a communal way of helping each other doesn't have to include politics.



posted on Nov, 25 2023 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: quintessentone

I know

There is this scene in "the last of us", where he finds his brother in the only thriving community for the whole season. when they tell him the basic principles he says all grumpy, "so basically communism".

It made me laugh, just like this thread. in a good way I may add...



posted on Nov, 25 2023 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: quintessentone

I know

There is this scene in "the last of us", where he finds his brother in the only thriving community for the whole season. when they tell him the basic principles he says all grumpy, "so basically communism".

It made me laugh, just like this thread. in a good way I may add...


Yeah, grumpy as in s**t now I have to pull my weight.



posted on Nov, 25 2023 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: quintessentone

Silly commies.

Humanity had civilizations for thousands of years before Marx came up with communism.

And history has showed us that without exception, communism always ends in mass murder and starvation.

So no. Communism is not the answer. It has not, and never will be a viable or sustainable form of civilization.



posted on Nov, 25 2023 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: watchitburn

Communism does not work but neither does capitalism, it is okay for those at the top during their five minutes of fame. In Capitalism everyone wants to end up rich and retire, and with Communism, it is the same but nobody ends up rich. In Communism, they always had the problem of keeping the shops filled up with goods. But had plenty of money with nothing to spend it on. Then under capitalism, there are plenty of goods to buy but no money to buy them with. The best is a highbrid mixture, with essential services underpinning the economy run for nonprofits by the state, and the rest can go for it. But the greedy want to turn the essential services into money-making for profit, then it always turns to # if the Governments let them. Then you have what is happening now and will continue until a form of revolution takes place or a capitulation from the top. Since the top is ideological and not pragmatic I see a revolution where they all end up in prison or even hung after many deaths and misery by the Prols..



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: annonentity

I don't think that's accurate.

Our capitalism has raised the standard of living for most of the world by an enormous degree.

However, we've had 4 distinct things sabotaging us.

1. The Federal Reserve Bank and it's fractional reserve banking policies.
2. Getting the dollar off the gold standard
3. Corporate/Industrial capture of our regulatory agencies.
4. Out of control government spending



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: Kenzo

saw Deagel report in 2017
someone on art bell talked about it
went right to the Deagel website
you are correct



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: watchitburn

Capitalism is great. But its flaws have to be realized and dealt with. Left alone it's a monopoly game with one guy getting the lot and of course, wanting to hang on to it. For it to work for everyone small businesses have to be able to flourish. They are not so at the moment it's over. Communism whatever you call it becomes the default.



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Terpene
Lol, love this thread...

When # hits the fan, communism will be our best survival strategy. Didn't think to read that on ATS



Adopting a communal way of helping each other doesn't have to include politics.


While people are hungry, cold, and without shelter politics won’t matter.

Once those things are overcome and there is some sense of order in whatever community is left political issues will become more prevalent.

Democracy? Not if only a few know what they are doing and are able to make intelligent decisions in a survival situation.

Political communism isn’t the answer but definitely an environment of community and sharing is what will get people through.

Community and sharing where here long before Communism came along and manipulated it.



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 04:09 PM
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I live part way between civilization and the hill people in alaska, communism is not needed at all.

People run their homestead and what they have is their own they help the neighbors when they need but never at the expense of their own family, unless the family choses to do so.

Communism removes that ability to take care of the family first.



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: quintessentone

Silly commies.

Humanity had civilizations for thousands of years before Marx came up with communism.

And history has showed us that without exception, communism always ends in mass murder and starvation.

So no. Communism is not the answer. It has not, and never will be a viable or sustainable form of civilization.


Nobody is discussing communism we are discussing communal living without politics, or at least that is what was my comment to this thread.



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 09:47 AM
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I bring words of comfort. Civilizational collapse is no new thing in the world. From Jericho to Tenochtitlan, it has happened many times before. It very rarely results in mass depopulation, or even in anarchy. Life goes on.

People cooperate to keep things running. Once the looting, revenge killings and other immediate consequences of state collapse are over (they don't last long before some local warlord or citizens' committee puts a stop to them), things start to function again. Society starts to rebuild itself. Often a foreign power intrudes and takes over -- getting things going again, though with scant gratitude from the locals, who may well form liberation movements ('rebels', 'terrorists') and chuck them out again.

But not always. Both the European and Chinese Dark Ages played out without any foreign civilization really getting involved. Still, however it goes, 'normal' life soon resumes.

A lot of the conversation on this thread has been about preparing for the collapse of public utilities: power and water supply, transport, modern medical care. Here's the good news: none of these things are necessary for the maintenance of civilization. The Ancient Greeks got on pretty well without electricity or antibiotics, and they were as civilized as we are -- some would argue more so. Life goes on by lamplight and manual labour, and the finest expression of humanity is still within reach.

I have lived through the collapse of a state. It is terrible. But people learn to cope, and survive and, eventually, thrive agian. Disaster brings out the best of humanity as well as the worst.

Here is a thing I learnt from that experience: when the chips are down, people hate hoarders like poison. I've seen one or two get beaten up. Gasoline was the issue, but it could have been flour. Things were that bad.

I'm not sure how well rugged individualists will fare after TSHTF. People have to pitch in together.

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posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: Astyanax

The first writings about Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) were in 200 BCE and native indigenous tribes' traditional medicine knowledge date back thousands of years. Now it would be nice for someone in the group to have knowledge of medicinal indigenous plants just in case there are no medicines available.

I have many varying medicinal herbal and native plant books ready to reference, including indigenous peoples' traditional use of the plants in my region and how to figure out what doses to give to whom.



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: quintessentone

Most useful knowledge tends to survive, and those who inherent it will gradually fill in the gaps. If you want your own knowledge to survive, take what steps you can to ensure that. It's a far nobler endeavour than trying merely to save one's skin.



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: quintessentone


The first writings about Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) were in 200 BCE

Yes. This was just at the end of what I called the Chinese Dark Ages -- the Warring States period (475-221BC).

The European Dark Ages were much later.



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: quintessentone


The first writings about Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) were in 200 BCE

Yes. This was just at the end of what I called the Chinese Dark Ages -- the Warring States period (475-221BC).

The European Dark Ages were much later.


I'll stick with indigenous regional traditional medicine because it's unlikely I can obtain the plants needed to make those medicines from flora in China or Europe, I just mentioned them to show people have been making their own medicines for a very long time.



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 11:01 AM
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Nobody is viewing this long term and what that means. Nobody. Lets say theres and EMP and grid goes down, within a week things go Mad Max. You bug out and survive 6 mos or even a year on your own thnx to all the survival skills you honed. The predators have been weeded out and people start seeking each other out looking to rebuild. This requires an entirely different set of skills to live in a pre-industrial setting; animal husbandry, farming, blacksmithing, etc. I know people who learn one set of skills or the other but practicing both? Few, if any.

So there's survival at a basic level then the rebuilding phase.
Are you prepared for both?

I hope the Amish and others have a plan for security since their farms will be targeted very quickly. Mb employ some spec ops vets to join them and act as guards otherwise they're sitting ducks.
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posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 11:34 AM
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Nobody. Lets say theres and EMP and grid goes down, within a week things go Mad Max.

It won't. For things to go Mad Max, generations will have to pass. If at all –– because most of the time it doesn't happen.



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
With everything going on in the world right now, I'm surprised to not see more SHTF scenarios here.

The fact of the matter is if/when it goes down...most of us are not gonna make it. In the U.S roughly 56 million people are over the age of 65 and most of them are on one medication or another that will not be available when things go sideways. Sure, you may have stocked up on medical supplies, but they expire and there's no more coming.

In all age groups, 37 million people have diabetes and 8.4 million of those rely on insulin.



If you live in a large city, you're in trouble. Not knocking "city folk" but many depend on having everything at their fingertips. Hungry ? Run to the deli down the block.
Coffee ? Starbucks on the corner.
Clean water ? Just turn on the tap.
The same goes for most people under 30. They've grown up in a world where everything they need is at the local store or delivered right to their doorstep. Imagine someone who has food delivered because they just don't feel like getting out, suddenly has to survive on their own. They get all their information from Google and when there's no more cell phones, no more information and I can almost guarantee none of them have Googled survival tactics.
Oh, you have a plan to get out of the city and go to the country ?
Yeah, you and the majority of people in that city have the same idea. Can you shoot, trap and clean game ? Do you even have a gun ?
And how do you think those country folk are gonna react when you decide to go native ?


Even many "country folks" will not know how to function without electricity and water. Some people think because they grow tomatoes, they're "gardening" and "fresh meat" is what they pick up at Wal Mart. I have Walnut trees and so many nuts I try to give them away by the 5 gal bucket. They say "Thanks but I'll just get some at the store".

Out of 335 million, I'd guess at least 1/3 will be dead in the first 6 months and 1/2 after a year. One hard Winter will finish off even more.
How many will survive a Summer with temps well over 100 with no A/C ?
The very old and the very young will be first to go.

When you get cut on rusty barbwire or miss with that ax, you better go get some stitches and antibi.....oh wait.
Break and arm or leg ?
Found a stash of canned food and now you're vomiting with diarrhea ?
Common cold turned into pneumonia ?


This will not be some romantic version of Mad Max, with you bravely fighting the hordes of people coming after your food.
You will be one of the horde.

Have a nice weekend.



Diabetes is a serious condition but type2 diabetes is mostly related to lifestyle choices such as lack of exercise and large amounts of junk food. Changing these lifestyle choices is the secret. And stop watching and listening to what the MSM says.



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: Astyanax

You do have a serious point, I am a doom and gloomer, and real good science-based doom does not seem to pan out. Predictions go past their use-by date. and one tends to get jaded. But that's probably what is supposed to happen. Then one day poof! It's all over from a curveball.




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