Israeli Politician admits 12,000 Palestinians have died so far but... they're mostly terrorists!

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: quintessentone

Spoils of war and an agreement with Turkey.

Britain and France made that decision.

And a good one I might add.

But then again, here you are. . . . . not wanting Israel to exist.

I want all the people there to exist in a one-state with equal sovereignty. Seems impossible? It's not impossible.

You want to eliminate the Sovereign state of Israel and make just one big happy family?

Muslims do live in Israel now.

You want the state of Israel to stop being Jewish?

WTF!

Twisting my words is always a fail db, haven't you learned that yet? What am I asking? Of course not. lol

What does sovereign confederacy mean? I'll wait. I know it will take a while.

Let me put it in a way a "progressive" would understand.

You want to take away the only "safe space" Jewish folks have.

“P” is for progressive.

Little tidbit.

Palestine is the only “country” that has a letter in its name that isn’t in the alphabet of the people that live there.

No “P” in Arabic.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: firstofAkhet
a reply to: DBCowboy

Is that what we cherish in the free world?


Rant levels.


Deny ignorance.

Free speech, free expression.

This war has certainly made some strange bedfellows.

But I guess on the big things, we all pick a side.

The side we pick is ceasefire and get rid of the warmonger leaders on both sides.

The side I chose had over 1400 of their men, women and children killed, raped and tortured on Oct 7th.

The side I chose retaliated to those horrors.

The side I chose wants the hostages released. If they're still alive.

The side you chose are occupiers of Palestinian people and have been for a very long time. Do the occupiers have the right to kill the occupied? There have been many killings of Palestinians by Israeli guard and settlers.

It seems that history is forgotten easily and conveniently.

The propaganda that had been created by Israel over the last few decades has been dismantled in the last few weeks with the mass killings of innocent civilians in the name of self defense, the destruction of the infrastructure of Gaza, the targeting of whatever is considered a military target, the forced expulsion of hundreds of thousands of civilians, etc.

At least the Israeli Politician admits what everyone in the world knows by now i.e the huge death toll of Palestinians in Gaza.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: firstofAkhet
a reply to: DBCowboy

Is that what we cherish in the free world?


Rant levels.


Deny ignorance.

Free speech, free expression.

This war has certainly made some strange bedfellows.

But I guess on the big things, we all pick a side.

The side we pick is ceasefire and get rid of the warmonger leaders on both sides.

The side I chose had over 1400 of their men, women and children killed, raped and tortured on Oct 7th.

The side I chose retaliated to those horrors.

The side I chose wants the hostages released. If they're still alive.

The side you chose are occupiers of Palestinian people and have been for a very long time. Do the occupiers have the right to kill the occupied? There have been many killings of Palestinians by Israeli guard and settlers.

What is going here?!
Is it claimed that it's the Palestinians who occupy Israel?! I thought it's the other way around but it seems the version of reality they want the rest of the world to accept isn't that convincing.

originally posted by: firstofAkhet
a reply to: Degradation33

Degradation33, you have consistently advocated for others' deaths on here out of seemingly your own whims. You have, because of what seems like an inner desire for bloodlust, intaken and inculculated a deeply deeply guttural middle eastern dynamic and have overlaid it unto even your little personal enemies here.

During that crash that occurred here, you tried to insinuate that I was a member of some satanist group that was after you, then you insinuated that I was Muslim. Then you recently insinuated that a Christian group was after you and that you hacked them.

Just #ing be quiet.

*yawn*

Aaaaaaaaand we know where you stand as well.

Joos bad, amirite?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
*yawn*

Aaaaaaaaand we know where you stand as well.

Joos bad, amirite?

On the right side of history!

You see even the Israeli Politician admits the death toll in Gaza is huge. Something that some members here have difficulty in accepting as it destroys their narrative. But he does say that mostly they're terrorists. It looks like children and women have suddenly become terrorists.

a reply to: firstofAkhet

You are really being trifling and trying to complicate things but be careful in life with your attempts to stir up chaos and excuse yourself.


I think you are a deeply hateful person and I'm not interested in your attempts to add all kinds of cryptic romanticism to your endeavors here ms. It seems trifling as does a lot of the stuff that some of you do on here. I'm not interested in drama so I'd like the people who cant avoid being crappy to just drop it and leave others alone.

Well thank you for your candor, and I'll get right to work on that.

Also, who are you again?

I like cartoons. That's my answer.



ETA:

And its not "your internet." Its not anyone's. Good god.

"Our" internet refers to American based internet services, which are different than Chinese internet services.

Supporting Israel with the people that watch OUR internet is like supporting the CCP on the Chinese internet.

That's what I meant, Support of IDF is not flagged like support of Hamas may be.

originally posted by: tamusan
a reply to: Leviathan4

I guess you haven't figured out that I'm fine with Israel carpet bombing Gaza and killing them all.

Yes I know that you are fine with it just like others who have made similar statements in the past. It's a bit of a genocidal rhetoric but nothing to worry about when you have no other arguments and nothing valid to show.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Leviathan4

Nobody knows the exact number. That doesn't mean tens of thousands have not died or there is some sort of controversy.

right so you don't know if who was killed was a terrorist or who wasn't, just that their throwing out a number.

again just speculation on who the dead are.

As said earlier...

Nobody knows the exact number. That doesn't mean tens of thousands have not died or there is some sort of controversy.

Even the Israeli Politician accepts there are 12,000 dead people in Gaza. And as time passes more and more people get killed and nobody gets resurrected.

I know that you're really trying hard to find a way out of this and justify or excuse the mass killings of Palestinians in Gaza but unfortunately you have no argument.

Divide 12,000 by 45 and you get around 266 deaths per day. Close to my estimations. Exact numbers are not possible in the middle of a war and throughout a bombing campaign. Nobody has given exact numbers.

It's not a speculation that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed in Gaza. It's a reality of this war. Even the Israeli Politician has admitted it.

a reply to: Degradation33

That answer doesn't leave me with much confidence that you wont let me be. Not sure what you get out of this ma'am but I said have a good one.


America is impartial. If you want to get involved in Israels politics you do so.

a reply to: Degradation33

From your own post earlier

Hamas Losses (including civilian)

Gaza Strip:

• 14,128 killed
• 33,000+ wounded

Let's fix it a little so to deal with the propaganda and deception.

Palestinian losses (including Hamas and other combatants)

14,128 killed
33,000+ wounded


www.theguardian.com...

According to the independent Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor, which is chaired by US emeritus law professor and former UN special rapporteur on Palestine, Richard Falk, the civilian death toll as of 20 November is 16,413, with nearly 34,000 injured. This would mean one in every 142 Palestinian civilians killed in a month and a half.

a reply to: Leviathan4

originally posted by: firstofAkhet
a reply to: Degradation33

That answer doesn't leave me with much confidence that you wont let me be. Not sure what you get out of this ma'am but I said have a good one.


America is impartial. If you want to get involved in Israels politics you do so.

What are you Hamas?

Because i seem to remember you came into the thread and got my attention and now you want me to leave you alone?

That is freaking funny.

But Okay, I'll call a ceasefire. Because internet dominion is not a priority for me. But you can't launch the first attack and then play a defensive victim role.

Don't talk to me, and I'll leave you alone.

And I stand by that initial rant that prompted your first interaction of this thread.

* the word "Palestinian" changed to "Hamas" to be more accurate post response.

a reply to: Degradation33


Whatever. Ok peace, byeee!!!


I mean it!! You have a good 1. Lol, "what are you a palestinian?"
(Edited to what are you hams /whatever.,


Just...ok bai.


ETA you keep changing your replies on me. I'm not interested in "internet dominion" or any frivolous bs. Just go away and take your cart and caboodle with u. No more reply changy just bai girlfriend. Ty. And as for first attacks? Our recollections might vary on what that is but listen you have a good one.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: DBCowboy
*yawn*

Aaaaaaaaand we know where you stand as well.

Joos bad, amirite?

On the right side of history!

Okay.

You've made your stand.

I don't agree.

I think it's evil and wrong, but you do you Boo.

a reply to: Degradation33

Good!
If you call for a ceasefire you're on the right side of history. You don't really want innocent people to be killed. I mean nobody does.

a reply to: Leviathan4

It's not a speculation that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed in Gaza. It's a reality of this war. Even the Israeli Politician has admitted it.

it's a pretty safe bet thet the majority of hamas terrorist are palestinians but still doesn't account for how many non combatants men women children or combatants. you know no exact number of any of them and your claims are fraudulent due to that fact.

the new higher number is between 13,000 and 14,000, which is still not tens of thousands non combatants which you keep trying to claim without any verifiable proof of the number.

so it is still just speculation until you can give some verifiable exact number. which by your own admission you can't do, or may never be able to do.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
a reply to: Degradation33

Good!
If you call for a ceasefire you're on the right side of history. You don't really want innocent people to be killed. I mean nobody does.

With that poster, definitely.

But my support of Israel follows a type of inverse law. It's proportional to the hatred and misinformation directed against Israel. The more they get railroaded for defending their interests, the more I dig in a trench supporting them.

They seem like the ultimate underdog in the prevailing public opinion because it just keeps coming at you if you stand that ground. Murderer. Warhawk. Just escalating the more Israel doesn't stand down.

It's fun. It's enthralling. It makes me want to do it more. Double down and up the bet.

I know as an American I'm not suppose to view Israel as a sibling nation, but I do. More than anywhere else. I think Israel should be America's most important ally on the world stage even.

And that's a fun stance to defend too. Because it's so unpopular. It would sadden me if we ever turned on them like a growing percentage would like.

And I support their contracts with Raytheon, Northrup, Lockheed, or whoever else keeps their dome stocked and missiles mounted on their F-16's.

Allies. Family. A country made up largely of former Americans. (51% of the initial returnees were Americans and have extended family still here). American and Israeli flags are often burnt together. Iran agrees, you can't have Little Satan, Without Great Satan.

But my opinion is falling out of favor quickly, so you have that going for you.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: firstofAkhet
a reply to: DBCowboy

Is that what we cherish in the free world?


Rant levels.


Deny ignorance.

Free speech, free expression.

This war has certainly made some strange bedfellows.

But I guess on the big things, we all pick a side.

The side we pick is ceasefire and get rid of the warmonger leaders on both sides.

The side I chose had over 1400 of their men, women and children killed, raped and tortured on Oct 7th.

The side I chose retaliated to those horrors.

The side I chose wants the hostages released. If they're still alive.

The side you chose are occupiers of Palestinian people and have been for a very long time. Do the occupiers have the right to kill the occupied? There have been many killings of Palestinians by Israeli guard and settlers.

You call Israel occupiers.

lol

Spoils of war.

Maybe in '48 and in '67 etc, the "palestinians" shouldn't have tried to kill all the Jews.

Maybe in '47 the land should have been partitioned as agreed to by the indigenous people living there in the first place. Just more imperial colonization that doesn't work today, or rather they can't get away with today.

"Indigenous", or homeless? There is a difference.

originally posted by: LeviOtis
a reply to: Leviathan4

It's not a speculation that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed in Gaza. It's a reality of this war. Even the Israeli Politician has admitted it.

it's a pretty safe bet thet the majority of hamas terrorist are palestinians but still doesn't account for how many non combatants men women children or combatants. you know no exact number of any of them and your claims are fraudulent due to that fact.

the new higher number is between 13,000 and 14,000, which is still not tens of thousands non combatants which you keep trying to claim without any verifiable proof of the number.

so it is still just speculation until you can give some verifiable exact number. which by your own admission you can't do, or may never be able to do.

It's not possible to know the exact number and nobody does at the moment in the middle of a war. But there are estimations based on the recorded number of deaths and those who are missing. That doesn't make the reality of the war any less valid. There is a widespread condemnation of the mass killings of innocent civilians all over the world. And yes it's accepted it's on the tens of thousands. The absence of an exact number doesn't mean what you're trying to imply i.e that there might not be a high death toll. Even the Israeli Politician has admitted a high death toll of about 12,000 but the number could be much higher. The only difference is that he talked about.... terrorists. Unless he considers women and children to be terrorists.

amp.theguardian.com...

According to the independent Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor, which is chaired by US emeritus law professor and former UN special rapporteur on Palestine, Richard Falk, the civilian death toll as of 20 November is 16,413, with nearly 34,000 injured. This would mean one in every 142 Palestinian civilians killed in a month and a half.

The Israeli propaganda has failed and it's better if members don't try to push debunked narratives or try to excuse and justify the mass killings of civilians.