Speech Given Today at UN by son of Hamas Cofounder Mosab Hassan Yousef

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: quintessentone

You keep missing the ball this morning, Quint.

The quote referred to Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel, which could be just about anyone in a paranoid state.

Not hostages.

Two different motives at play.

But again you need to deflect from the concept that Hamas are monsters.

ANd you keep talking about this 'Jihad' thing.... and Ive asked for clarity on that. Islamic Jihad or Jihad in general. ANd you pointedly do not answer. Like it's some strawman you've created to blame instead of Hamas.

That's what I've gotten from your posts today.

I explained Hamas' type of religion that being Sunni Islam. Look it up. Educate yourself.

What you are failing to get from my posts today is that this one person's experiences do not speak for anyone else's experiences but his own.

Why not listen to all voices? What I am getting from you and others here is that this one voice is the true voice of Hamas, it may well be but where are the other son's of Hamas to corroborate his truth? I want to listen to all voices and all experiences to get the bigger picture. You and others don't. It's sad and tragic.

There are four sides here, 1. Hamas government turned terrorists, 2. Israel government turned terrorists, 3. Palestinian people and 4. Israeli people...also other players that are complicit with Israel's indiscriminate bombing and yet other players that won't allow Israel to try to annex their lands as they have done to Palestine and they will fight to the death to keep their lands. Sound familiar?

a reply to: quintessentone

They want all the annexed land taken since 1967 including the recently annexed land in the West Bank. Ain't ever going to happen. So it is what it is.

Why is Israel the only country that doesn't get to do this?

America did far worse and commemorated it with a game where you got to take your family from Missoura to Oregon and die of dysentery.

So what?

Egypt blocked Israel from trade, so they forcefully took some land to protect their interests. Including the Sinai (Suez Canal), Golan Heights, West Bank, and East Jerulsalem. They just needed an excuse, and Egypt delivered. And they took it in 6 days.

What makes Israel different in the annals of land conquering nations?

Like they should be happy the UN shafted them in the initial partition for their promised state?

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: quintessentone

You have not show anything but bias content, that is all you have done and you have been called for it many times.

Isn't everything we all post biased content? It doesn't mean it's not truthful.

a reply to: Degradation33

"What makes Israel different in the annals of land conquering nations?"

'Cos they is Jews?

a reply to: quintessentone

Weird that you can't give a straight answer to 'who or what is this 'Jihad' entity you keep talking about'.

You keep answering that it's Sunni vs Shia.

WHatever. Just shows you cant explain the bullet points you've been given to deflect with.

a reply to: PorkChop96

The lack of knowledge of basic history of the region really shines an unflattering light on the education systems in the west.

Simple reading will show who controlled the area and when certain names were applied, but I guess if they admit it, their narrative gets destroyed.

*shrugs* never thought I would live to see idiocracy come to life.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: quintessentone

Weird that you can't give a straight answer to 'who or what is this Jihad you keep talking about'.

You keep answering that it's Sunni vs Shia.

WHatever. Just shows you cant explain the bullet points you've been given to deflect with.

I explained what you asked of me if you need to learn more educate yourself.

What's weird is that you keep using deflection tactics to ignore other children's voices that don't fit your narrative.

Israel and the U.S. hamas and others are on the wrong side of history. These leaders are irrational warmongers and a ceasefire is crucial and the U.N. and others that follow International Law need to take charge and resume negotiations, but this time make it fair for both sides.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Degradation33

"What makes Israel different in the annals of land conquering nations?"

'Cos they is Jews?

That's the point I was dancing around.

Amazing how much more zionist this is making me.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Degradation33

"What makes Israel different in the annals of land conquering nations?"

'Cos they is Jews?

Playing the anti-semetic card is to be expected when one has no ability to discuss or debate a topic.

a reply to: quintessentone

You posted a link I gave you an answer, now when you are going to give one back rather than going around the topic.

When the children been taken by terrorist hamas for training are going to be save, by the international organizations for save the children.

Where are the palestinian parents of this children screaming to get their babies released by hamas.

You know what never mind you do not have an answer, because you can not think on one.

Soo Mosab Hassan Yousef Inside will always be more reliable than yours and he does have answers. He is been there and done that.

You are just an opinion giver.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Or recent history, too, it would seem.

Like the current ceasefire?

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: quintessentone

You posted a link I gave you an answer, now when you are going to give one back rather than going around the topic.

When the children been taken by terrorist hamas for training are going to be save, by the international organizations for save the children.

Where are the palestinian parents of this children screaming to get their babies released by hamas.

You know what never mind you do not have an answer, because you can not think on one.

Soo Mosab Hassan Yousef Inside will always be more reliable than yours and he does have answers. He is been there and done that.

You are just an opinion giver.

Mosab's life's experiences within Hamas were just that, his individual experiences he cannot speak for all other son's of Hamas nor of the son's of Palestinian people.

I provided you with the voices of the son's of Palestinian people imprisoned by Israel forces, but you want to ignore their sufferings.

Hamas have done terrorist acts and so has Israel engaged in criminal acts that are against International Law.

Palestinian people under occupation will be beaten or arrested should they step out of line. Educate yourself on Palestinian people's sufferings under Israel occupation and/or a blockage. But you won't because you don't want to know the truth from the other side.

a reply to: quintessentone

"when one has no ability to discuss or debate a topic."

Is there some sort of award on here for the Most Ironic Comment Of The Year?

This one would get my vote.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

"when one has no ability to discuss or debate a topic."

Is there some sort of award on here for the Most Ironic Comment Of The Year?

This one would get my vote.

You actually get my vote for that award with the added caption of "by using the anti-semitic card". lol

a reply to: quintessentone

If Israel can stop their land grabs the problems will stop.

Have you ever read a history book?
Do you even know what history is?

Do you honestly believe that?

Israel are the ones stating that they want it all or are you not listening?

The thing is, Israel had it all....then they gave it back to The Palestinians.

You are yet again showing a staggering amount of wilful ignorance.
You simply ignore every bit evidence shown to you proving that Hamas and most Palestinians want to eradicate Israel and drive every, single Jew out of the region and form an Islamic/Arab Palestinian state 'from the river to the sea'.

It'd be great if they all decided to put all the hatred and killing behind them and live together or side by side in peace and kumbaya singing perfect harmony....but it simply sin't going to happen.

You still haven't said how you would eradicate Hamas - or something exactly the same but with another name - as a real and live threat.
You still haven't said how a one or two state solution would work.

Just create a Palestinian state and they'll all be perfectly happy and peaceful.
Its naive, pie-in-the-sky, wishful thinking and seriously lacking in detail and any knowledge of the history and motivations of the people involved.

You may believe in rainbow farting unicorns but sorry to be the one that breaks it to you....they don't exist.

a reply to: quintessentone

You are like a computer, just posting over and over the same opinion to cover various topics.

I now getting the point, got you.

So your take is that Mosab Hassan Yousef experiences are not to be take for real, because is other sons that have not been talking at all. How do you know they are still alive.

I am laughing soo hard I can not stop, you truly are a piece of work.

a reply to: quintessentone

Explain what you find to be ironic about my post please?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: quintessentone

If Israel can stop their land grabs the problems will stop.

Have you ever read a history book?
Do you even know what history is?

Do you honestly believe that?

Israel are the ones stating that they want it all or are you not listening?

The thing is, Israel had it all....then they gave it back to The Palestinians.

You are yet again showing a staggering amount of wilful ignorance.
You simply ignore every bit evidence shown to you proving that Hamas and most Palestinians want to eradicate Israel and drive every, single Jew out of the region and form an Islamic/Arab Palestinian state 'from the river to the sea'.

It'd be great if they all decided to put all the hatred and killing behind them and live together or side by side in peace and kumbaya singing perfect harmony....but it simply sin't going to happen.

You still haven't said how you would eradicate Hamas - or something exactly the same but with another name - as a real and live threat.
You still haven't said how a one or two state solution would work.

Just create a Palestinian state and they'll all be perfectly happy and peaceful.
Its naive, pie-in-the-sky, wishful thinking and seriously lacking in detail and any knowledge of the history and motivations of the people involved.

You may believe in rainbow farting unicorns but sorry to be the one that breaks it to you....they don't exist.

Again cherry picking history is not something I do, but rather what you are doing.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Explain what you find to be ironic about my post please?

Explain what you found to be ironic about my post.

a reply to: quintessentone

The fact that only after 15 pages have you actually addressed (by hand waving, sadly) what the guy has to say? That.