I have a semi solution for Elderly & Young Housing issues

This will never work because it would actually probably WORK!

A group home, maybe an old mall converted into separate apartments.
One side will be the elderly. Specifically people too old to live alone but too healthy for a traditional nursing home.
They may need help with taking out the trash, cleaning or changing a light bulb. Etc.

The other side would be young adults, that are working but don’t make enough to pay for housing.

The cost of housing would paid by the elderly, in exchange for the part time help of the younger residents.
WIN WIN
Elderly will get affordable help and lower cost living than a nursing home (yes even with paying for the youth)
The young will get free housing while they work and do good for the community.

Is this nuts?

a reply to: JAGStorm

I will start by saying that this has potential to be a pretty decent arrangement for all involved.

I don't think it is completely undoable, but there would need to be a lot of things fall into place in my opinion.

Biggest thing would be, to keep the cost for the elderly down, someone to donate the facility. Even old mall venues are expensive and could cost million to convert.

Next, I would say that the youth maybe not live completely free, other than the work they do around the facility. But, maybe they pay some utility cost for their "apartment"?

I would assume there would still be a background check to try and keep trouble makers out, on both ends of the spectrum young and old. Maybe a rotating duty schedule for those that are "working" at the facility.

Possibility of the food court staying there would be nice. Usually cheap fast food is all that is offered so would still be affordable for all involved.

The possibilities are endless

But all in all, I think it could be beneficial to all involved.

a reply to: JAGStorm

when do the young people work their own jobs? Are you meaning like an assisted living facility where the employees live on site? Or is the helping of the elderly in exchange for rent but then also have to work a second job to pay for everything else. Because at that rate, might as well just get licensed as a daycare provider and do that instead. Income from daycare for several kids could easily pay rent or mortgage and everything else. Less depressing too, than staring your own mortality in the face working with the elderly.

Once the majority of the younger generation can't afford rent, rents will decrease. Especially with private landlords, maybe not with the big corporations but private landlords usually need the rent money to pay the mortgage so if nobody can afford it and in turn choose to be homeless, rents will have to lower. Eventually. Or foreclosures of rental properties would probably increase. That also will make housing cheaper. Let's shoot for 2008 again. We need some good foreclosures. Pop the bubble.

a reply to: JAGStorm

The problem with this idea is getting the younger people to actually do the work.

They aren’t models for work ethics.

I won’t hire anyone under 50 for my company. Every time I did, it turned out bad in very short order.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: JAGStorm

The problem with this idea is getting the younger people to actually do the work.

They aren’t models for work ethics.

I won’t hire anyone under 50 for my company. Every time I did, it turned out bad in very short order.

That is really untrue in my opinion. I know a lot of 20 something’s and they are very hard workers.
They are just getting to the point of hopelessness right now.

a reply to: KKLOCO

so you want 15 years max out of your employees? I don't know what business you do, but I started my job at 16, im 36 now and still working there and an expert at my job and I've still got about 20 years to go. I guess if you like frequently hiring and training people, it works for you. Plus all the over 50s at my job complain constantly....my knees, my back....I'm no spring chicken..............and on and on.

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: JAGStorm

when do the young people work their own jobs? Are you meaning like an assisted living facility where the employees live on site? Or is the helping of the elderly in exchange for rent but then also have to work a second job to pay for everything else. Because at that rate, might as well just get licensed as a daycare provider and do that instead. Income from daycare for several kids could easily pay rent or mortgage and everything else. Less depressing too, than staring your own mortality in the face working with the elderly.

Once the majority of the younger generation can't afford rent, rents will decrease. Especially with private landlords, maybe not with the big corporations but private landlords usually need the rent money to pay the mortgage so if nobody can afford it and in turn choose to be homeless, rents will have to lower. Eventually. Or foreclosures of rental properties would probably increase. That also will make housing cheaper. Let's shoot for 2008 again. We need some good foreclosures. Pop the bubble.

Young people will work a normal job like normally work. Some will work days, some will work nights.
Let’s say for a set amount of hours per week they are required to help the elderly. Maybe 6 hours, or 8.
It would be like multigenerational housing. You come home and grandma needs a light bulb changed.
You wake up and grandpa needs the trash taken out.

On your day off two elderly need a ride to the dr’s office.
There has to be balance and a fair exchange. This might also work for someone on disability themselves but can work part time.

As nice as this sounds, i think that is a slippery slope to 15min cities.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Unsupervised? You got a bunch of nothing to lose healthy and fit youngsters put in the private space of vulnerable elderlies, what could go wrong, right?

And under state control and we're probably going back to Buck v. Bell

a reply to: JAGStorm

Maybe there is some sort of ticketing process.
You do a chore you get a … I hate to use this term but …. Credit.
those credits are used against your housing. Let’s say there is a month you don’t or can’t help. You then pay for your rent.

I do understand there could be massive abuse with this type of system, so there has to be a vetting process.

originally posted by: theatreboy
As nice as this sounds, i think that is a slippery slope to 15min cities.

Big difference as this would be voluntary.

a reply to: JAGStorm

well for that small amount of help I could see a discount on rent but not living free. I thought you meant like...helping them shower and all the things. Like more of a nursing home situation. I like the disabled people part because a lot of them are still functional to do basic things like that and I know that the disability pay from the government is pretty low in comparison to working wages so they struggle more paying for housing.

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: KKLOCO

so you want 15 years max out of your employees? I don't know what business you do, but I started my job at 16, im 36 now and still working there and an expert at my job and I've still got about 20 years to go. I guess if you like frequently hiring and training people, it works for you. Plus all the over 50s at my job complain constantly....my knees, my back....I'm no spring chicken..............and on and on.

I have a bunch of semi retired people working for me. The oldest is 84 and youngest is 56. They are great employees as they are usually flexible and hard workers. The 84 year old got five 5 star reviews in one day last week. The younger people Ive hired maybe got five 5 star reviews in two months time…

The only issue I have with older folks is they typically don’t like change.

a reply to: KKLOCO

I could see it in a slower paced job. Older people are usually much much better at customer oriented jobs or customer service type jobs than younger people. Also quilting and other semi-lost arts. My gramma was 92 still making and selling quilts doing a killing too.

First is our company throws away nearly any resume under 35 anybody late for their appointment and anyone without a drivers license and car. Average age hiring 45.

Second is we have an nearly empty mall and Sears and another they started converting them into apartments. Went bad fast when the politicians started making demands on rent free housing and many other things. So it sits with 6-8 stores that don't pay enough to cover the taxes.

a reply to: JAGStorm
Prices are crazy and I do feel for the younger generation getting started.


However,
1. Housing prices are cyclical and so is the economy. Its only a matter of time.

2. The younger ones getting started should be either living with family or in rental arrangements with multiple people to lower the costs of housing. Then save as much as they can for when the real estate market crashes next time around so they can get in.

3. Is it going to take a long time , most likely and possibly a decade or more but eventually you will have a house. However its better planning than waiting for govt to fix it for you because they wont.

4. Family planning and coordinating wealth. I see such a lack of this. I came to this country with nothing and had absolutely nothing to grow from. Its my mission to make sure that doesn't happen to my kids and everything I plan for is for their benefit . Family needs to start to act like family again and help each other grow financially.

The people I have seen that have had the hardest time when they got older are the ones that never purchased a home , because rent keeps going up and your social security wont keep up. IMO if you dont have a home you own even mortgaged by retirement age you are likely going to be fkd , unless you are financially set which is not what we are talking about here.

If they can get enough roommates to offset their mortgage payment say by 1K a month in 10 years they can have a very nice down payment excluding even investing of that 1K . So a 3K mortgage with 3 room mates would drop to 1k each which has the potential to keep an extra 1K in your pockets for savings and not going towards rent versus if you were renting by yourself.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Its't that socialism? JAG, the intentions sounds good, but is actually more akin to socialism.

a reply to: JAGStorm

There might be a few minor drawbacks with the young people having to deal with cranky old folks complaining about the noise level or asking for help finding their lost dentures.

Plus, the constant smell of diaper cream and Ensure, and arguments over whose turn it is to play bingo.

But beyond that, it's a great idea!

I hear medically assisted suicide is all the rage.

See Canada.

The day of the pillow draws near.