Brazilian President condemns inhumane violence saying Israel committed several acts of terrorism

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

"Will you please explain how confirmation bias is being used by the president of Brazil when he says Israel is also committing criminal atrocities?"

Why should when I haven't said any such thing?

The confirmation bias is yours.

No this.

Obviously?

Don't be obtuse.

If you aren't commenting on the Brazilian President's claim that Israel is committing acts of atrocity comparable to the terrorists, then what are you talking about? Anything related to the thread topic? I'm grasping at straws here.

Will you please direct your post to anything having to do with the thread topic?

Or at least please help me understand how anything you have said from your post I'm replying to has to do with the thread topic, that the Brazilian President has declared Israel perpetuating atrocities against civilians.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I don't think I can help your understanding of anything.

So, good day to you.

From the source in the topic thread:

The flight was the tenth in an operation launched by the South American country last month to repatriate citizens in Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip after a war broke out in the region last month.

I am so happy Brazil is expending their own resources to help what civilians they can in the war-torn region.

It's sad there is such a consensus that by helping the civilians, they are also helping the terrorists.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Degradation33
Okay, which country is next? You've got USA, UK, Belgium, France, several others, and now Brazil.

There is literally a government person in EVERY country on earth that will condemn this and call for what your position says.

Contrary to its intent, this really doesn't demonstrate global majority support. It just says you can find someone in any country to agree with you.

Global majority support are not required for war crime investigations.

Is that the opinion that you hold, or are you simply mistaken on how condemning blatant inhumane violence against a civilian population, and initiating an investigation works?

Because I don't care. Totally apathetic to the plight of the Palestinians. Seen enough unbiased videos of what The IDF really does to call this their "War On Terror" and can all the sanctimony about war crimes.

Just war.

The crimes are inserted by bias to sway emotional opinion.

Israeli War crimes since Oct, 7th... there's no violin small enough for that one. As indifferent to them as I was to The Taliban or Iraqis after 9/11.

My hope is that Israel scrubs The Palestine government of Hamas and reinserts Fatah in its place. Their views line up more with the ones that Almost got Saudi Arabia into Jerusalem before Iran blew everything to sh*t using their proxies.

Just think, if Palestine's government wasnt controlled by a group with a mission statement to destroy Israel, they may be treated more like those 1.7 Muslim-Israeli citizens.

All parties get the same benefit of doubt you get in war. Israeli literally gives them verbal warning over megaphone to vacate places they are about to bomb..

They listen to Hamas and stay to be their leverage.

Please don't pander to their innocence with me.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Well apparently a good chunk of Palestinians do support Hamas.

In my world view the way change happens is when regular working people become educated and politically conscious to breaking down power structures and bureaucracies, and in this case it seems like most Palestinians have chosen to be politically conscious towards a state of perpetual conflict instead of peace.

Maybe some of their leaders should sit down with some of Canada's indigenous cheifs and see how they can handle this in a peaceful manner. Again, they aren't in a position to be wanting conflict or supporting an organization like Hamas.

Just to be clear I'm not in support of Isreal either, I'm just pointing out that someone needs to figure out a solution over there, us here sitting in our cozy homes arguing over it all doesn't mean anything.

a reply to: quintessentone

I'm not 100% sure, but doesn't Hamas have a sort of declaration drafted up saying they just want Isreal gone?

It goes agaisnt the progress of a possible two state solution.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: quintessentone

I'm not 100% sure, but doesn't Hamas have a sort of declaration drafted up saying they just want Isreal gone?

It goes agaisnt the progress of a possible two state solution.

Can you find that declaration so we can go from there?

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Well apparently a good chunk of Palestinians do support Hamas.

In my world view the way change happens is when regular working people become educated and politically conscious to breaking down power structures and bureaucracies, and in this case it seems like most Palestinians have chosen to be politically conscious towards a state of perpetual conflict instead of peace.

Maybe some of their leaders should sit down with some of Canada's indigenous cheifs and see how they can handle this in a peaceful manner. Again, they aren't in a position to be wanting conflict or supporting an organization like Hamas.

Just to be clear I'm not in support of Isreal either, I'm just pointing out that someone needs to figure out a solution over there, us here sitting in our cozy homes arguing over it all doesn't mean anything.

All the suggestions you make I agree with and are very creative suggestions on a path to peace.

Is it wrong, that Israel is carpet bombing Hamas, while they wait in their tunnels, while the civilians are the vast majority topside?

100% of the innocent Palestinians in Gaza are topside and not sheltering with the terrorists. Why would the terrorists let non-supporters in their bomb shelters? They would not, would they? Most of the militants are surviving in bomb shelters most likely. What does dropping bombs achieve in this situation besides genocide? A safe Israel?

a reply to: quintessentone

Be sure that Arab leaders are not as enthusiastic about a Palestinian state solution as the US administratiion does. Why? They have their past to lean on -

In the early 1950s, the Palestinian leadership collaborated with the Muslim Brotherhood, terrorizing Egypt, their host country.

In the mid-1960s, the Palestinian leadership terrorized Syria, their host country.

In 1968-70, the Palestinian leadership triggered a civil war in Jordan, attempting to topple their host Hashemite regime.

In 1970-82, the Palestinian leadership instigated a series of civil wars in Lebanon, aiming to take over their host country.

In 1990, the Palestinian leadership collaborated with Saddam Hussein’s invasion and plunder of Kuwait, which was for decades the most generous Arab host of 400,000 Palestinians.

(Yoram Ettinger)

originally posted by: BukkaWukka
a reply to: quintessentone

Be sure that Arab leaders are not as enthusiastic about a Palestinian state solution as the US administratiion does. Why? They have their past to lean on -

In the early 1950s, the Palestinian leadership collaborated with the Muslim Brotherhood, terrorizing Egypt, their host country.

In the mid-1960s, the Palestinian leadership terrorized Syria, their host country.

In 1968-70, the Palestinian leadership triggered a civil war in Jordan, attempting to topple their host Hashemite regime.

In 1970-82, the Palestinian leadership instigated a series of civil wars in Lebanon, aiming to take over their host country.

In 1990, the Palestinian leadership collaborated with Saddam Hussein’s invasion and plunder of Kuwait, which was for decades the most generous Arab host of 400,000 Palestinians.

(Yoram Ettinger)

I get the historical record, but there were likely many thousands of innocent Palestinians who had no idea what was going to happen in the target zones that were carpet bombed.

Shouldn't they be given a chance instead of genocided, while HAMAS bunkers down underground, and HAMAS leaders in Damascus and Qatar remain untouched?

originally posted by: BukkaWukka
a reply to: quintessentone

Be sure that Arab leaders are not as enthusiastic about a Palestinian state solution as the US administratiion does. Why? They have their past to lean on -

In the early 1950s, the Palestinian leadership collaborated with the Muslim Brotherhood, terrorizing Egypt, their host country.

In the mid-1960s, the Palestinian leadership terrorized Syria, their host country.

In 1968-70, the Palestinian leadership triggered a civil war in Jordan, attempting to topple their host Hashemite regime.

In 1970-82, the Palestinian leadership instigated a series of civil wars in Lebanon, aiming to take over their host country.

In 1990, the Palestinian leadership collaborated with Saddam Hussein’s invasion and plunder of Kuwait, which was for decades the most generous Arab host of 400,000 Palestinians.

(Yoram Ettinger)

You forget some vital truths that would make one or uni- or two-state solutions work to end all conflicts, that being the people would no longer be under an occupation and along with self-determination the addition of sovereignty would ensure mutual respect and dignity.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Has he condemed all those criminal drug cartels the thrive within Brazil? Yea, a real pile on tough guy.

a reply to: quintessentone

He also fotrget to mention all the airline hijackings of civilians back in the 1970's by Yassar Arofat


1970 Hijackings

All those in the streets protesting for Palestine should be viewed as terriorists and not some peaceful protestors. That includes the Congresswoman

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I hear you. I feel for them.

I pray over all the Palestinian people, including Hamas. And Jews. No one person is more important or more deserving than the next. We are all equal. My personal belief is this is a spiritual thing. Keep in mind, I am coming from a Christian viewpoint and so therefore it may mean nothing to most or that God is being unfair, etc. I don't belong to any church. I follow Jesus. I also have studied prophecy. But, I am no expert.

The devil wants all to be sick, die, be in need and not go to be with God when they die. The more he can take down, the better. We see humans fighting against each other. This includes innocent people, unfortunately, that get caught in the crossfires, etc.

Much of the horrific things that Hamas did on Oct 7th were demonic. Absolutely. Hamas were eager to fight, destroy, kill, torture, belittle and evil entered them and acted through these fighters. On top of that the Hamas terrorists were on that drug that has taken over the Middle East. So, now not only is there a spiritual battle raging over Israel, but now actively acting with human beings.

It has been foretold that these things would happen. Israel will be surrounded by countries that hate them, and now the rest of the world for what they see is genocide. The end goal is to destroy Israel completely. It will almost come to that, but God will intervene. HIs fight is with the devil.

I don't know why innocent people have to die, be terrified, be maimed, lose loved ones, but somehow God has it all under control. And that goes for all people.

I don't know if I'm explaining it very well. But this is what I see as the reason. I'll see if I can find a better way to explain the spiritual aspect of what is playing out on earth.

a reply to: quintessentone

No, I didn't forget. Palestinians refuse. That's pretty well what it comes down to. Israel has offered many, many times. I know you've seen such feedback already with the other posts you've been involved in.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Do you agree with the President of Brazil that Israel has committed acta of terrorism?

Do you condemn the war crimes committed by Israel and the mass killings of innocent civilians, many of whom are women and children.

a reply to: strongfp

As above...
Do you agree with the President of Brazil that Israel has committed acta of terrorism?

Do you condemn the war crimes committed by Israel and the mass killings of innocent civilians, many of whom are women and children.

You seem to want to divert from the discussion of the topic trying to avoid the conversation altogether. Is this because you support unequivocally Israel?

a reply to: Degradation33

You sir?
Are you going to address the issue of you're only engaging in an exercise of whataboutism?


Do you agree with the President of Brazil that Israel has committed acta of terrorism?

Do you condemn the war crimes committed by Israel and the mass killings of innocent civilians, many of whom are women and children.

Not a difficult task given then tens of thousands of innocent civilians who have died by the Israeli humanitarian bombs...

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Adlow75yo
a reply to: Leviathan4

Israel needs kill them all. Man, woman and child. That's the only way this ends for good.

They've been trying for 80 years now, maybe now you will get your wish.

You're very right on this.

originally posted by: BukkaWukka
a reply to: quintessentone

No, I didn't forget. Palestinians refuse. That's pretty well what it comes down to. Israel has offered many, many times. I know you've seen such feedback already with the other posts you've been involved in.

Do the Palestinians not have the right to refuse what they consider a bad deal for them?