Israel agrees to 4-hour daily pauses in Gaza fighting to allow civilians to flee

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

The greatest victory is won without fighting a battle at all. How is victory achieved without fighting? A ceasefire if the first step.

So you and I are pointing guns at each other. You yell ceasefire and I say OK. You lower your gun and I then shoot you. That is Hamas...

That, my fellow, is at the very crux of beginning a path to peace, forever long it may last, both armies MUST risk a moment of trust with each other. This is very old warfare tradition, not because it makes for great scenes in film, but also any general worth anything in warfare must risk that moment where the fighting stops and negotiations for prisoners are made.

This here very situation we have on planet Earth is giving rise to mass demonstrations calling for ceasefire for hostage negotiations.

Only a coward general would not take that risk, especially the strongest of the generals with overwhelming firepower.

originally posted by: quintessentone

The camera did not lie and that is what caused those anti-war protests in the U.S. The same thing is happening here but the horrific acts are committed from both sides.

I said this a number of times and I get zero feedback on it, so maybe you will provide it.

With over 7000 attacks on military targets it comes out of less than 1.5 deaths per, so what does that say to you? Does that tell you that Israel is targeting civilians or military assets? We also need to remember that Hamas launched their rocket attacks in the 1000s too, so 4000 Hamas rockets, and no one hardly says a thing.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

The camera did not lie and that is what caused those anti-war protests in the U.S. The same thing is happening here but the horrific acts are committed from both sides.

I said this a number of times and I get zero feedback on it, so maybe you will provide it.

With over 7000 attacks on military targets it comes out of less than 1.5 deaths per, so what does that say to you? Does that tell you that Israel is targeting civilians or military assets? We also need to remember that Hamas launched their rocket attacks in the 1000s too, so 4000 Hamas rockets, and no one hardly says a thing.

They both have engaged in massacres and counter-massacres towards each other from biblical times to now without resolution something has to change for the good of all humanity.

a reply to: quintessentone

I absolutely agree with what you said, 100%. For the sake of the civilians in both cities, no matter what atrocities both sides have waged, those people are non combatants and they all deserve a ceasefire.

It is my hope that today, when the four hours is up, and no one has fired a shot for the whole duration, the ceasefire can last a little longer than 4 hours, and someone important in this situation hears the telephone ringing, and on the other end of the line is someone equally, if not higher ranking, calling to talk.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
a reply to: quintessentone

I absolutely agree with what you said, 100%. For the sake of the civilians in both cities, no matter what atrocities both sides have waged, those people are non combatants and they all deserve a ceasefire.

It is my hope that today, when the four hours is up, and no one has fired a shot for the whole duration, the ceasefire can last a little longer than 4 hours, and someone important in this situation hears the telephone ringing, and on the other end of the line is someone equally, if not higher ranking, calling to talk.

The Mossad Chief (Israeli government) is going to Qatar to see if negotiations can be attempted a second time. Somehow I think the ethnic cleansing and revenge and punishment war games can't be stopped now until all is destroyed in all Palestinian territories.

originally posted by: quintessentone

The Mossad Chief (Israeli government) is going to Qatar to see if negotiations can be attempted a second time. Somehow I think the ethnic cleansing and revenge and punishment war games can't be stopped now until all is destroyed in all Palestinian territories.

You may be correct, sadly. Let's not give up just yet.

I, for one, wholeheartedly support the decision to send over the chief intelligence officer. I do believe it is the right thing to do in a situation like this.

If the Palestinians release the hostages, surrender, recognize Israel as a sovereign nation then there would be no more war.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: quintessentone

The Mossad Chief (Israeli government) is going to Qatar to see if negotiations can be attempted a second time. Somehow I think the ethnic cleansing and revenge and punishment war games can't be stopped now until all is destroyed in all Palestinian territories.

You may be correct, sadly. Let's not give up just yet.

I, for one, wholeheartedly support the decision to send over the chief intelligence officer. I do believe it is the right thing to do in a situation like this.

There are three Israeli government departments, high level, that are asking Netanyahu for a ceasefire and prisoner/hostage swaps, however those calls are falling on deaf ears.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If the Palestinians release the hostages, surrender, recognize Israel as a sovereign nation then there would be no more war.

That is the usual recipe for disaster and catastrophe...sure let's do it all over again. NOT

a reply to: quintessentone

Hamas recognizing Israel as a sovereign State would be, like, a Bad Thing?!!!

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If the Palestinians release the hostages, surrender, recognize Israel as a sovereign nation then there would be no more war.

That is the usual recipe for disaster and catastrophe...sure let's do it all over again. NOT

Then I guess you want more war and more dead.

QED

a reply to: quintessentone

"That is the usual recipe for disaster and catastrophe...sure let's do it all over again. NOT"

Can you please explain why you might think that?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Hamas recognizing Israel as a sovereign State would be, like, a Bad Thing?!!!

Israel recognizing and honoring their past agreements where Palestinian territories will have self-government with sovereignty is the only way for lasting peace.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If the Palestinians release the hostages, surrender, recognize Israel as a sovereign nation then there would be no more war.

That is the usual recipe for disaster and catastrophe...sure let's do it all over again. NOT

Then I guess you want more war and more dead.

QED

Your way will guarantee it to be that way.

a reply to: quintessentone

So, Hamas releasing it's hostages, a Bad Thing?

a reply to: quintessentone

Who would govern them, Hamas?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Hamas recognizing Israel as a sovereign State would be, like, a Bad Thing?!!!

Israel recognizing and honoring their past agreements where Palestinian territories will have self-government with sovereignty is the only way for lasting peace.

Palestinians lost out with any prior agreements after Oct 7th,

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If the Palestinians release the hostages, surrender, recognize Israel as a sovereign nation then there would be no more war.

That is the usual recipe for disaster and catastrophe...sure let's do it all over again. NOT

Then I guess you want more war and more dead.

QED

Your way will guarantee it to be that way.

My way ends war.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Who would govern them, Hamas?

That won't happen because Netanyahu already said Hamas will be destroyed and if the remaining Palestinian people are not allowed sovereignty over themselves, another Hamas-like group will be sure to rise up again. People cannot live freely and justly under occupation or a police state.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If the Palestinians release the hostages, surrender, recognize Israel as a sovereign nation then there would be no more war.

That is the usual recipe for disaster and catastrophe...sure let's do it all over again. NOT

Then I guess you want more war and more dead.

QED

When you keep guessing you keep making a fool of only you.