Hamas Leaders Admit They Hope For Permanent War

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: FlyersFan
Is this like when they said hamas was gonna kill us all a few weeks ago? and now you all pretend you never actually believed it?

Just a heads up you all are quickly becoming the new Russia-gaters. Just so you are aware.

Israel has killed/murdered 10,000 people in the last month. 70% being non-combatants. Saying they were warned while being deprived of internet and electricity shows a clear lack of common sense.

Russia bombs a hospital = war crime

Israel bombs a hospital = retaliation

Please make it make sense...

Middle eastern terrorist groups are kind of famous for putting training camps, missile sites, weapons caches, etc, directly adjacent to hospitals and schools in an attempt to prevent more conscientious enemies from attacking them. In short, they use women, children, and the infirmed as human shields while carrying out their jihad. You don't get to put a ton of explosives next to an elementary school and then cry when the school gets collateral damage when the munitions are destroyed. Its why they strap bombs to children. They are counting on the idea that the intended targets of that bomb will not harm the child and the attack will be successful.

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: FlyersFan
Is this like when they said hamas was gonna kill us all a few weeks ago? and now you all pretend you never actually believed it?

Just a heads up you all are quickly becoming the new Russia-gaters. Just so you are aware.

Israel has killed/murdered 10,000 people in the last month. 70% being non-combatants. Saying they were warned while being deprived of internet and electricity shows a clear lack of common sense.

Russia bombs a hospital = war crime

Israel bombs a hospital = retaliation

Please make it make sense...

Exactly, double standards.

ON TOPIC

Hamas says they want a permanent war.
They don't want peace. Ever.
There can be no 'cease fire' with people of this mentality.
They must be destroyed. Otherwise, they'll just keep attacking.

Hamas Leaders Admit They Hope For Permanent War

Hamas leaders have made the disturbing admission that they hope their surprise Oct. 7 attack will lead to a “permanent” war against Israel on all fronts — and conceded that they had no plans to govern Gaza.

The terrorist group’s top brass defended their shocking onslaught in a series of interviews with the New York Times, with some members saying the extreme violence and bloodshed that claimed at least 1,400 Israeli lives was necessary for advancing their fight against the Jewish state.

The deadly incursion was necessary to “change the entire equation and not just have a clash,” Khalil al-Hayya, a member of Hamas’ highest leadership body, told the paper from Qatar in an interview published Wednesday.

“We succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue back on the table, and now no one in the region is experiencing calm.”

Ay-Hayya and other Hamas members interviewed seemingly dismissed the idea that they will govern Gaza, and instead expressed hope for a “permanent” war on all fronts.

Hamas Vows to Repeat October 7 Attacks and Bring About the 'Annihilation' of Israel

A Hamas leader has issued a chilling warning that the terror group's October 7 massacre will happen 'again and again' until Israel is 'annihilated' - vowing that the terrorists will pay any price to achieve their aims.

Ghazi Hamad, deputy foreign minister for Hamas, cynically told a broadcaster that the terrorists 'did not want to harm civilians' during their bloody rampage through southern Israel, which saw more than 1,400 Israelis murdered in cold blood.

He said the terror group had only done so due to 'complications on the ground' - a grim throwaway reference to the Nova festival massacre which saw scores of innocent young people gunned down, mutilated and kidnapped.

His belligerent speech saw him vow to launch repeat attacks - telling a broadcaster that 'on October 7, October 10, October 1,000,000 - everything we do is justified'.

He dismissed the heartbreaking number of people killed in the Israel-Hamas war - the deadliest and most destructive of the five wars fought by the two sides since 2007 - as a 'necessary price in blood'.

In some of his latest comments, Mr Hamad claimed that 'everything [Hamas] do is justifiable', declaring that 'we are the victims' as he vowed to remove Israel from what he claimed is Palestinian land.

a reply to: FlyersFan

And yet another source claims Hamas leader wants to negotiate with Israel.

As the IDF advances deeper into the Gaza Strip, dismantles Hamas’s infrastructure and eliminates dozens of terrorists, the group’s leader Ismail Haniyeh announced in a televised statement on Wednesday that he is willing to engage in “political negotiations.”

“We are ready for political negotiations for a two-state solution with Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine,” Haniyeh said during his address, adding a caveat that the process can only begin on condition of a ceasefire and the opening of humanitarian corridors to bring more aid into Gaza.

www.timesofisrael.com...

a reply to: FlyersFan

And yet another source claims Hamas leader wants to negotiate with Israel.

As the IDF advances deeper into the Gaza Strip, dismantles Hamas’s infrastructure and eliminates dozens of terrorists, the group’s leader Ismail Haniyeh announced in a televised statement on Wednesday that he is willing to engage in “political negotiations.”

“We are ready for political negotiations for a two-state solution with Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine,” Haniyeh said during his address, adding a caveat that the process can only begin on condition of a ceasefire and the opening of humanitarian corridors to bring more aid into Gaza.

www.timesofisrael.com...

originally posted by: quintessentone
And yet another source claims Hamas leader wants to negotiate with Israel.

And yet the more recent interview says they don't.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
And yet another source claims Hamas leader wants to negotiate with Israel.

And yet the more recent interview says they don't.

This is actually what was said - different from how the biased New York Time/Post tries to appease it's readers:

The Hamas media adviser, Taher Nounou, said his opinion to the Times, this does not necessarily reflect Hamas leaders' opinions.

“I hope that the state of war with Israel will become permanent on all the borders and that the Arab world will stand with us,” Taher Nounou, a Hamas media adviser, told the Times.

With the attack, the group’s leaders in Gaza – including Yahya Sinwar, who had spent more than 20 years in Israeli prisons, and Mohammed Deif, a shadowy military commander whom Israel had repeatedly tried to assassinate – answered that question. They doubled down on military confrontation.

“Hamas’ goal is not to run Gaza and to bring it water and electricity and such,” said Hayya, the politburo member. “Hamas, the Qassam and the resistance woke the world up from its deep sleep and showed that this issue must remain on the table.

“This battle was not because we wanted fuel or labourers,” he added. “It did not seek to improve the situation in Gaza. This battle is to completely overthrow the situation.”

www.smh.com.au...

I cannot find any other sources where Hamas leaders said what you claim they said, other than the Times, Fox, or Israel news sources.

It appears you are peddling a one-sided narrative and propaganda.

originally posted by: quintessentone
This is actually what was said - different from how the biased New York Time/Post tries to appease it's readers:

The Times is left wing and used direct quotes from the terrorists.
I highly doubt The Times is appeasing their left wing audience with this interview.

The Hamas media adviser, Taher Nounou, said his opinion to the Times, this does not necessarily reflect Hamas leaders' opinions.

It's his job to speak for the leadership. Just as the White House has a person who stands out front during the press conferences and gives the official White House position on things. When Karine Jean-Pierre gives an interview or speaks to the press, she doesn't give her opinion, she states the stand of the White House. Same with this guy being the Hamas media advisor.

It appears you are peddling a one-sided narrative and propaganda.

No, that would be you once again making excuses for Hamas and their useful idiots.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
This is actually what was said - different from how the biased New York Time/Post tries to appease it's readers:

The Times is left wing and used direct quotes from the terrorists.
I highly doubt The Times is appeasing their left wing audience with this interview.

The Hamas media adviser, Taher Nounou, said his opinion to the Times, this does not necessarily reflect Hamas leaders' opinions.

It's his job to speak for the leadership. Just as the White House has a person who stands out front during the press conferences and gives the official White House position on things. When Karine Jean-Pierre gives an interview or speaks to the press, she doesn't give her opinion, she states the stand of the White House. Same with this guy being the Hamas media advisor.

It appears you are peddling a one-sided narrative and propaganda.

No, that would be you once again making excuses for Hamas and their useful idiots.

The Hamas advisor stated his opinion with the statement starting with the word 'I", that is his opinion. If it was the opinion of the Hamas leaders the statement should have been delivered as such. Anyway, I posted what actual Hamas leaders are saying from sources other than media news sources left or right which have a narrative to put forth to their particular audiences.

originally posted by: quintessentone
The Hamas advisor stated his opinion ...

His job is to speak for the Hamas leadership.
That is his position and that is what he does when he gives interviews.
When Karine Jean-Pierre speaks it is for the White House.
Her words in interviews and in front of press are not taken as her own opinion.
Same/same.

Holey Moley Batman... life imitating Star-Trek....with whole cultures 'Devoted' to carnage/combat/killing other groups of humans....

& that situation is not sustainable ! as you will lack victims eventually !

eta

RE: Romulans and Klingons...perpetually combative cultures

originally posted by: WeMustCare


There is definitely something AWRY, when a leader has access to the best intelligence, and the best most accurate lethal weapons ever made, but refuses to use them on the leaders of HAMAS. Even as these leaders come out weekly with new threats and promises to destroy Israel....Netanyahu's Israel.

And yet only "little people" like us (and Donald Trump) are pointing out that something is seriously wrong with "Bibi".

Every Pro-Israel Leader Who Lets these Men Live Has Blood on His/Her Hands! www.foxnews.com...

I agree, a never-ending war, at the expenses of civilians it should never happen, when it comes to terrorist, we all know they do not give a darn about civilians, but Israel does or should.

Also Israel have years of tracking hams palestinian terrorist coming and goings, they could have taken them any time they want, but they have not.

I guess is either because that will prompt a flooding of terrorist groups in gaza to keep the jihad, but that makes no sense because Gaza is a ready full of terrorist groups.

The is because either Israel leadership has gone soft on terrorist or been influence by a larger group behind the scenes.

At the end Israe is in an active never ending war regardless as we speak

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
The Hamas advisor stated his opinion ...

His job is to speak for the Hamas leadership.
That is his position and that is what he does when he gives interviews.
When Karine Jean-Pierre speaks it is for the White House.
Her words in interviews and in front of press are not taken as her own opinion.
Same/same.

If he was speaking for the leaders you don't use the word 'I' to begin a statement. That was his opinion and I've offered you what Hamas leaders are really saying. Here's another source that is more of an independent investigation.

frontline.thehindu.com...

originally posted by: quintessentone
frontline.thehindu.com...

Yeah yeah .... You've posted that propaganda before. "The root problem is the occupation' they say. That's not true. Gaza wasn't occupied AND their battle cry is 'from the river to the sea ... ' which calls for the destruction of Isreal and the death of the Jews. Face it, Hamas doesn't want peace. It would put them out of business.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
frontline.thehindu.com...

Yeah yeah .... You've posted that propaganda before. "The root problem is the occupation' they say. That's not true. Gaza wasn't occupied AND their battle cry is 'from the river to the sea ... ' which calls for the destruction of Isreal and the death of the Jews. Face it, Hamas doesn't want peace. It would put them out of business.

Even Blinken said the other day that when this ends Israel cannot occupy Palestine, now why would he say that when the Israeli military strategist said they must 'oversee' any new Palestinian government for Israel's security concerns?

originally posted by: quintessentone
Even Blinken said the other day that when this ends Israel cannot occupy Palestine, now why would he say that when the Israeli military strategist said they must 'oversee' any new Palestinian government for Israel's security concerns?

Israel didn't occupy Gaza. At your 'source' - "The root problem is the occupation' they say. That's not true. Gaza wasn't occupied AND their battle cry is 'from the river to the sea ... ' which calls for the destruction of Isreal and the death of the Jews. Face it, Hamas doesn't want peace. It would put them out of business.

a reply to: quintessentone

From your own source the Hamas leader says…

“ There are false Israeli narratives about civilian deaths. According to the testimony of the Israelis who lived through the events, our freedom-fighters did not kill them. Rather, some video clips prove that the fighters cared for Israeli children.”

He should have just said the children looked like they were cold so they put them in the oven.

These animals can’t be negotiated with.
They’re pure evil.

Him and his cronies days are numbered and there’s no stopping what will soon happen to them.

The latest on the Hamas palestine terrorist strategy, they have launched a propaganda agenda on top leading countries, like UK and US to gain sympathies from the people, to put presure on Israel to ceases a fire, as they prepare for a more endless war agains Israel.

Nov 4 (Reuters) - Hamas has prepared for a long, drawn-out war in the Gaza Strip and believes it can hold up Israel's advance long enough to force its arch enemy to agree to a ceasefire, two sources close to the organization's leadership said.

Hamas, which rules Gaza, has stockpiled weapons, missiles, food and medical supplies, according to the people, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the situation. The group is confident its thousands of fighters can survive for months in a city of tunnels carved deep beneath the Palestinian enclave and frustrate Israeli forces with urban guerrilla tactics, the people told Reuters.

So hamas palestine terrorist actually will never end even if it means complete destruction of gaza and the civilians, then blame it on Israel.

While talks using Quatar are on going, for the release of palestinian terrorist in prison in Israel and to open the blockage to gaza, the true intentions is the build up of forces by hamas palestinians in gaza when everybody is concentrating on negotiations.

HAMAS 'FULLY PREPARED'

Adeeb Ziadeh, a Palestinian expert in international affairs at Qatar University who has studied Hamas, said the group must have had a longer-term plan to follow its assault on Israel.

"Those who carried out the Oct. 7 attack with its level of proficiency, this level of expertise, precision and intensity, would have prepared for a long-term battle. It's not possible for Hamas to engage in such an attack without being fully prepared and mobilized for the outcome," Ziadeh told Reuters.

Washington expects Hamas to try to bog Israeli forces down in street-by-street combat in Gaza and inflict heavy enough military casualties to weaken Israeli public support for a drawn-out conflict, said the source familiar with the White House's thinking, who asked to remain anonymous to speak freely.

Israeli officials have nonetheless stressed to their American counterparts that they're prepared to confront Hamas' guerrilla tactics as well as withstand international criticism of their offensive, according to the person. Whether the country has the capability to eliminate Hamas or merely severely degrade the organization remains an open question, the source added.

Hamas has about 40,000 fighters, according to the sources at the group. They can move around the enclave using a vast web of fortified tunnels, hundreds of kilometers long and up to 80 meters deep, built over many years.

This is jihad no matter what side you are in the situation and an ending of the war or negotiations are in the minds of the terrorist.

An official close to the Iranian-backed Lebanese movement Hezbollah, which is allied to Hamas, said the Palestinian militant group's fighting strength remained mostly intact after weeks of bombardment. Hezbollah has a joint military operation room in Lebanon with Hamas and other allied factions in a regional network backed by Iran, according to Hezbollah and Hamas officials.

Hamas palestine terrorist are getting help from the other countries that are bound to completely destroy Israel,

www.reuters.com...

originally posted by: VermiIion

From your own source the Hamas leader says…

“ There are false Israeli narratives about civilian deaths. According to the testimony of the Israelis who lived through the events, our freedom-fighters did not kill them. Rather, some video clips prove that the fighters cared for Israeli children.”

WOW. yeah those are people to be trusted when it comes to making peace alright. /SARCASM. DUMB!

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: quintessentone

From your own source the Hamas leader says…

“ There are false Israeli narratives about civilian deaths. According to the testimony of the Israelis who lived through the events, our freedom-fighters did not kill them. Rather, some video clips prove that the fighters cared for Israeli children.”

He should have just said the children looked like they were cold so they put them in the oven.

These animals can’t be negotiated with.
They’re pure evil.

Him and his cronies days are numbered and there’s no stopping what will soon happen to them.

They are both guilty of war crimes and Israel bombing civilians which many equate to genocide also cannot be negotiated with, now can they?