Hoverboard - Should I post it?

Originally posted by scienceguy94
Shadow whatever floats your boat.If you feel like wasting thousands of dollars on an idea based on some unknown physics force go ahead. But i guarantee that your going be supermiserable when you find yourself an old man and your life has passed you by.

You could have spent this time and money inventing something simple that people can buy at walmart or toy r us. Your really young why not shelve these ideas until you are old. then people will forgive you for being crazy.

I believe it's this popular line of thinking that prevents scientific discoveries from being made.

Shadow, if you have a love for the science (art, craft) then by all means do it! If you're standing outside getting laughed at because you're flying a kite in a thunderstorm with a key on the string, remember your forefathers who received similar criticism but who we all depend on for our daily necessities now. There are very very few who are willing to be in science for the nobility of the advancement of their fellow man, speaking from experience. I may have "died" in that field of corruption and cynicism, but if you live through it, I'd see what I did as worthwhile experience. Your kind must not become extinct if the study is ever to remain alive with heart. As long as there is life, there is hope. As long as there is hope, there is life.

Pray, train, study,
God bless.

[edit on 3-11-2005 by saint4God]

To do research you have know what you are doing. to know what you are doing requires you to have an education. I am not saying it is impossible for shadow to discover a way to repel matter from other matter, I was trying to be open minded enough to maybe consider that maybe he stuck enough office gadgets and tesla coils together maybe to whole conjunction might create something. But if he does succeed it is not likely that he knows whats going on. and there is my scepticism

[edit on 3-11-2005 by Shadow88]

ATS can really 'claim' anything that we say or write?

thanks saint4god

Like saint4god said that is exactly what people SHOULDNT do. What if i shelve my ideas away till im old? so i can either not finish and die or not be around to see everyone enjoy my creation? whats the point? Better to have 80 years to conduct research than 5. And you know scienceguy i do have a life beyond my inventing

I believe it's this popular line of thinking that prevents scientific discoveries from being made.

I couldnt have put it better myself. People need to "get out there", conduct experiments, do research, etc while we're young. I dont understand why people think that other people shouldnt do this just because its a little outlandish.

Lastly scienceguy i am quite offended when you keep saying things like

to know what you are doing requires you to have an education.

I have had an extremely good education thankyou. And i know full well what i am doing and what i have got myself into. I prepared myself for a lot of critisism, which is actually for the most part constructive. I have learnt a lot about what people want, things i need to look out for (eg: big companies) etc.

But hey! this is a nice thread. Among other things a lot of people have been thinking outside the box, which is great. Lets not get into an argument.

There are very very few who are willing to be in science for the nobility of the advancement of their fellow man

Very well said Saint4God . Thats EXACTLY what i wish to do. and not just with "antigravity".There are so so very few Einstiens, Da Vinci's, Mozarts, Darwins left these days. Modern society teaches us that if we act like everyone else and think like everyone else then we will be successful in this world. Set rules are drilled into our brains from such a young age that there is less and less room for creativity. It is only a select few that challenge that, that have the ability to think outside the box and say,

"yes i understand that X + Y = Z, but what if i added P to it?"

"well no one has ever tryed that boy! its too outlandish and likely wouldnt work. No one can be bothered to try something that likely wouldnt work anyway. just forget about that silly speculation and get on with the set task."

Well for those who think what if i just......? i say just try it. why the heck not! if you crash and burn then so be it! thats just the way it is. admit you were wrong and carry on. life goes on. But ive only just begun, only scratched the surface. The human race could be so much better, go, so much faster, if they only took an extra chance, only asked what if just one more time.

Ive been working on lenz levitation for a while now and closely with Boyd Bushman. I believe that we have the technology to make it work right now. My team and I have done the math, although I have to admit some equations we had to wing it. If I order parts in the next month then I may have a working prototype by say December or January. I have not posted this on my site because I am still working on it but be sure to still visit it at www.futureh.net...

Nice emp machine made from a throw away camera! but your going to need a much higher energy pulse than a SCR can ever handle.

you do realise futureh that breaking copyright law can put you in jail, at best get you a hefty fine. Space Magnetics and Hovertech wouldnt be very happy that your presenting their years of hardwork and research as your own.

Also i should mention that its not illegal, but not a good plan to name your "company" something so similar to another company, Future Horizons

Lastly if you are going to mish-mash other sites sourcecode together, at least change the font, and the menu item titles, so they wont so easily notice, and do make sure the links ACTUALLY work. sigh......

*licks finger*, *pokes side* tsssss!......

EDIT: Oh and correct me if im wrong about this, but I HIGHLY, highly doubt you have been working with one of the formost senior engineers for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., one of the largest Aerospace companies in the world. Maybe you have, but i will have to inform him and everyone else that your passing their research off as yourown.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by Shadow88]

Maybe its owned by the same guy right?

I can't believe people think this stuff is going to work. If a certain poster here can focus his creative talents to produce something that will work and something that a fair number of people will buy then I don't see why making a cool Mil or two is out of the question.if you want to join the ranks of crackpot inventors who think they can beat nature then go ahead.

[edit on 5-11-2005 by scienceguy94]

Afraid not. Futurehorizon is by a guy called Bryan. SpaceMagnetics is owned by Bill Butler.

He uses this pic as his own, but it is spacemagnetics owned


The tech he describes doesnt even fit in with the information on the picture!!

[edit on 5-11-2005 by Shadow88]

Heh, thats funny. Anyways Shadow hows the project coming along?

I need money thats how. As i said before i was saving up a bit to see if I could get a hold of a portable generator, that way i can start to go "large scale". But i will admit that i used some of the money on a night out, which only put me back like £50 roughly, so not much loss.

Ive been thinking about a way to increase the repulsion strength, that if successful may make it possible to use less power and produce more output.

*futureh hasnt posted again has he.......just thought i would mention that*

It is vital i should mention, although this will be obvious, that i need to work out exactly what variable is causing the repulsive effects, (as there are so many variables that are necessary its hard to remove one to study another, anything from voltages to gauge, annoyingly i think its current and therefore strength of field ), so that i can increase that and use less power. Power consumption, and more importantly LOWERING power consumption should be my main concern.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Shadow88]

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Shadow88]

actually getting it to work should be your main concern.

Originally posted by scienceguy94
actually getting it to work should be your main concern.

I'm going to have to agree to that !

Like I said before, I would be amazed to see any lift whatsoever no matter how large the device is. But then again I don't see it happening unless its the size of a couple football fields and takes the entire power consumption of a city to operate.

Getting the main concept to work comes first. Getting fancy comes later.

Any hoverboard designer is either a PT barnum or one of those who were born each minute.

Originally posted by scienceguy94
Any hoverboard designer is either a PT barnum or one of those who were born each minute.

...like someone needs a hug.

*hugs scienceguy* It'll be okay, we'll all get through this together. You know that if the desire is there, the change is inevitable, so ride the tide for a while and see what new things are on the horizon for us all.

YEA *sticks tongue out* Getting it to work also requires by proxy to do what i said. You know scienceguy if your going to be so stubbornly skeptical, then make your own flippin hoverboard! LOL

[edit on 9-11-2005 by Shadow88]

Becuase I know physics better than you. 'nuff said.

Originally posted by scienceguy94
Becuase I know physics better than you. 'nuff said.

*hands scienceguy a Noble Prize for Physics* It's a shame that this award won't get you a hoverboard.

[edit on 9-11-2005 by saint4God]

I can go on for months why this hoverboard is not going to work. But primarily it is a huge engineering challenge that isn't solved with chump change made at working a mcdonalds type job.


believe me mr shadow i have tried designing a hoverboard before and I know unless you have access to millions of dollars and good connections within the nuclear industry. you don't stand a chance.

This is laymans understanding of electric and magnetic fields


First your going to have to solve how to ionize the air and not have a spark breakdown.
second your are going to have to generate a huge magnetic
third your going to have to know which way to orientate your E and B fields
Your going to have to cross product the BxE= F the F is force which is perpendicular to both the magnetic field vector and electric field vector.
This means you are going to have to have an electric pole 90 degrees from a magnetic pole if seen on a flat plane. LOOKS LIKE THIS arrows showing direction of magnetic field electric field is going up and force is facing out of the screen

++++++
N-> S
N-> S
N-> S
N-> S
N-> S
N-> S
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This is what is known as the right hand rule

www.pa.msu.edu...

If we take the average force of a neodymium magnet grade n40 as being 10000 gauss that is one telsa. two of them attracting each other will double the magnetic field in between the faces. If we take a one tesla magnet and put one amp of current across it in a fluid medium we will get one newton of force. OK that might be good for lifting a banana.


But how are you going to get one ampere of current across a section of air at standard temperature and pressure. it is hard enough to get more than a few miliamperes of current density. Even if you preionize the air with a UV lamp or tesla coil rf device you are stil going to get arcing. And arcing is going to ruin the insulation you put on the magnet to keep it from conducting electrcity. So how are you going to pass the several hundred amps you are going to need to create enough force against a strong 1 tesla electromagnet?

How are you going to ionize that much air? are you going to use radioactive high voltage electrodes? such as cesium or lithium. I might remind you that radioactive materials are controlled even more than drugs. You might be able to be ahold of some radium but that costs over 100K per gram.

Oh I forgot about heating. air has a very low heat capacity which means that it will get very hot very fast with a little power. Just imagine passing 10000 volts at 100 amps through a space of less than 15"x15"

Ok to lift say 200kgs which would include hoverboard, and driver you will need
1920 N of force
Look I am not trying to prove "i am right your wrong" i want you to get a real sense of what sort of challenges you will be facing if you decide to inest more into this project.