Why no peace advocacy?!

Why can't we advocate for peace?
Why are people taking sides when others are dying?
Human lives have been lost in great number over the years.
We have a war of political ideology (democracy v communism) now intersecting with a war of religion?
When the superior powers of the world aren't advocating for peace and are instead taking sides, what next?
What's the tipping point, do you think?
How does this not end the world?
I hate to be grim, but it doesn't seem realistic anymore to think that this escalating repeatedly is going to create anything other than the end of our species.
It's a house of cards, and once countries step in to defend people in Gaza, those who support Israel (US) will be involved directly, and by default their allies.
One thing I never thought I'd see is the unity across the various Muslim nations that were long against each other due to doctrine and belief.
The comments the heads of these (very contrasting) countries are making in defense of Gaza tells me that they consider their underlying Muslim identity at its core to overarch their doctrinal feuds.
This is alarming because now the war becomes directly about religion, not about retaliation against Hamas for the murders of Israelis, and the kidnapping of civilians.
While the US may not be directly engaged in a war of religion, their support of Israel is directly opposed to the Muslim identity.
In the same way Christians have varied practices, beliefs, and groupings, they can still come together and ultimately say they love their God and be united in their faith.
If the war were theoretically against Christians in Gaza, and Christian nations decided to support the Christians, it's identical.
Even though Israel has never once claimed the war is about religion, or against Islam, we are discussing a region of the world where all Abrahamic religions began.
Ultimately the other Muslims may denounce the Hamas brutality and kidnapping but still intervene in Gaza on behalf of the Muslim Palestinians, because of a common culture, history, and Arab identity.
These are very tribal people, to this day, as is the Jewish diaspora. These tribal mentalities are outdated in modern society but still permit these acts of hatred against mankind, regardless of country, religion, language, etc.

My concern here is that this is a war that will have consequences far outside the confines of Israel.
If the US were to become involved in this war, would that not then push the communist nations to attack the homeland?
That seems like strategy fundamentals, to attack your enemy when they're distracted.
Whats unsettling is how this could occur quite slowly over the months and years ahead. Though direct and rapid escalation in the current situation could create this devastation globally in a matter of days or even hours.

Everyone also seems to think the situation in Ukraine has resolved.
Sadly the volumes of lives wasted in this conflict have made conscription challenging for both sides as nobody wants to knowingly lose their life when the majority of the world is free of the warfare at home.
Ukraine simply does not possess the forces or capabilities to reclaim the territory.
All the money in taxes and money given globally only brought death to tens of thousands on both sides with zero result.
The rhetoric of the US gov is clear. Communism must be defeated at all costs.
The communist rhetoric is clear, that they will continue to defend themselves accordingly.
Collectively the communist countries also have a substantial military capability, across any and all spectrum, and all have pledged loyalty to one another. This means we are never at war with just Russia, because they're supported by N. Korea & China.

I cannot compare their agendas and capabilities to NATO.
I firmly believe that the most horrible devices we have created haven't been revealed yet.
By deception one wages war.

I'm curious to hear why you think no one advocates for peace?
Kinda wish I lived in Tahiti right now. (not for any reason other than to be as far as humanly possible away from NATO, Communism, et Al.)
God help us all!
Advocate peace!

Follow the money and you'll find your answer. There are a lot of wealthy people who just get richer from every war fought, every country destabilized.

It's not like citizens really have any say in how countries are run. Welcome to reality.

a reply to: WarAndMoreFleece

A five star American General told us the answer already...

a reply to: WarAndMoreFleece

I agree with you, the whole situation, one way or another is not working and needs rethought

Look for a Trump or Desantis victory next year. It would only serve those who want America getting involved in the coming world war. If America is beating the war drums with Trump/Desantis at the helm then that's a first class ticket with the evangelical crowd, there won't be a second thought about it. It'll be politicized and roughly half the country will support getting involved. It's inevitable in my opinion.

Oh I know and agree.
It's just a shame humanity was dulled into such complacency in a rigged game they can barely understand.

originally posted by: nugget1
Follow the money and you'll find your answer. There are a lot of wealthy people who just get richer from every war fought, every country destabilized.

It's not like citizens really have any say in how countries are run. Welcome to reality.

That's why I'm for RFK.
He's not a part of either party anymore, and he doesn't want US involvement in foreign wars.
Watch his Philadelphia speech. Stunning.
a reply to: 31331Dos

It does, but where and when?
Everyone is taking sides and we see a dangerous crossing of major identity components of humanity.
Diplomacy needs to be revived.
a reply to: djz3ro

Exactly.
He had the foresight and saw the machine oiling up under his watch.
He saw the businesses that got the government contracts and became profiteers off the death machine.
It was like those after him rushed to do the exact opposite.
Not even just MIC, but medical/pharma/agriculture, police, and the list can go on and on.
We have intelligence communities that have no true oversight and work outside those oversight intentionally.

a reply to: Lumenari

originally posted by: WarAndMoreFleece
That's why I'm for RFK.
He's not a part of either party anymore, and he doesn't want US involvement in foreign wars.
Watch his Philadelphia speech. Stunning.
a reply to: 31331Dos

RFK is a fan boi and water carrier for Hillery Clinton.



I'll pass, thank you.

a reply to: WarAndMoreFleece

I don't think RFK has a chance personally. I like a lot of what he says but I'm skeptical of anybody running for president and actually getting close to winning. I've been burned one too many times to take anyone at face value in that position. That sort of position tends to attract sociopaths looking for power, RFK also has a degree from Harvard. Harvard is the elite of elites in higher education and has deep roots in the alphabet agencies. That alone sets off alarm bells in my mind.

He has no chance, but he can plants the seeds of necessity, that we need more than two parties. House divided cannot stand.
Petty quibbling.
Imagine though if you will that many believe the alphabet agencies killed his dad and uncle.
What good reason would a man like that ever have to trust those agencies?

originally posted by: 31331Dos
a reply to: WarAndMoreFleece

I don't think RFK has a chance personally. I like a lot of what he says but I'm skeptical of anybody running for president and actually getting close to winning. I've been burned one too many times to take anyone at face value in that position. That sort of position tends to attract sociopaths looking for power, RFK also has a degree from Harvard. Harvard is the elite of elites in higher education and has deep roots in the alphabet agencies. That alone sets off alarm bells in my mind.

He's no stool for cankles in any capacity I've heard. He abandoned the democratic party, so how can he shill for her?

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WarAndMoreFleece
That's why I'm for RFK.
He's not a part of either party anymore, and he doesn't want US involvement in foreign wars.
Watch his Philadelphia speech. Stunning.
a reply to: 31331Dos

RFK is a fan boi and water carrier for Hillery Clinton.

I'll pass, thank you.

a reply to: WarAndMoreFleece

He definitely seems to be the middle ground candidate at this point and if I were forced to vote he might be the one to get it, but even then his ties to Harvard would be in the back of my mind especially considering his family name.

a reply to: WarAndMoreFleece

Sometimes advocating for war, is advocatinging for piece.
You are misunderstanding, if you do not know this.

I'm a race between Biden, Trump, and Kennedy, it seems like a no brainer.
Biden is clearly a Obama placement, as all of his scripts follow the same perspective.
Trump is a buffoon, and for all his brash commentaries, he's neither a statesman nor a diplomat. He did some good with the economy for sure, but he was a divisive figure.
He's simply a rich guy who had enough money to pay for his name to be advertised. He was surprised when he won.
Kennedy is the logical solution, but his ending ties with Democrat party now means he's the enemy of both parties.
JFK was liked by most Americans, in a way not seen since.
I'd agree he's still a vested money interest, but he can speak coherently and quite intelligently.
I'd pay to see him and Trump debate.

originally posted by: 31331Dos
a reply to: WarAndMoreFleece

He definitely seems to be the middle ground candidate at this point and if I were forced to vote he might be the one to get it, but even then his ties to Harvard would be in the back of my mind especially considering his family name.

a reply to: Lumenari

I agree, but unfortunately few do their own research before voting. RFK Jr. would blindside all those 2A lovers voting for him, along with a whole lot of other progressive policies he embraces.

He's just riding the wave of anti-vaxxers, Trump haters and those disillusioned with Biden's 2 year dumpster fire.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: WarAndMoreFleece
That's why I'm for RFK.
He's not a part of either party anymore, and he doesn't want US involvement in foreign wars.
Watch his Philadelphia speech. Stunning.
a reply to: 31331Dos

RFK is a fan boi and water carrier for Hillery Clinton.

I'll pass, thank you.

Respectfully...

In a lesser-of-two evils scenario, isn't RFKjr preferable to Biden/Harris?

with the understanding at some point, we have to be realistic about all the other candidates' chances, like RFKjr has very little chance but he is more likely than a plethora of Republican candidates. IF for no other reason, likely voter apathy towards all candidates currently offered.

For example, initially, I preferred Santis, but he isn't likely to win the RNC nomination, is he? After that, the Republicans have the Trump issue.

Honestly, what are his chances?

thehill.com...

www.isidewith.com...

I'm not seeing what you're seeing Nug, show me?

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Lumenari

I agree, but unfortunately few do their own research before voting. RFK Jr. would blindside all those 2A lovers voting for him, along with a whole lot of other progressive policies he embraces.

He's just riding the wave of anti-vaxxers, Trump haters and those disillusioned with Biden's 2 year dumpster fire.

originally posted by: 31331Dos
Look for a Trump or Desantis victory next year. It would only serve those who want America getting involved in the coming world war. If America is beating the war drums with Trump/Desantis at the helm then that's a first class ticket with the evangelical crowd, there won't be a second thought about it. It'll be politicized and roughly half the country will support getting involved. It's inevitable in my opinion.

Yeah , Sure , Because Mr. Trump and Mr. DeSantis are War Mongers Now ? When did this Happen ? I did not get the Memo...........