Georgia Supreme Court keeps six-weeks abortion ban in effect

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude

So no limits.

That's not what I said. I said that viability should be the "limit" line.

Super, at what point is a child "viable" to survive outside the womb?

21 weeks?

That's about right.

But that's also around the time that doctors are able to detect fetal anomalies. Don't you think that if a pregnancy goes wrong, and the fetus' condition is threatening a woman's health and wellbeing, that there should be exemptions from any gestational abortion bans, like 6 weeks, or even 20 weeks?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude

So no limits.

That's not what I said. I said that viability should be the "limit" line.

Super, at what point is a child "viable" to survive outside the womb?

21 weeks?

That's about right.

But that's also around the time that doctors are able to detect fetal anomalies. Don't you think that if a pregnancy goes wrong, and the fetus' condition is threatening a woman's health and wellbeing, that there should be exemptions from any gestational abortion bans, like 6 weeks, or even 20 weeks.

that's largely the point. It's not my place, nor yours to say. That's between the mother, the doctor, and God. (even if you don't believe in him). But because people are abusing the system and using abortion for birth control, you have this argument. And I don't see a way to frame this where it isn't murder, but some have much looser morals and can convince themselves of all sorts of things when that happens.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Georgia's Supreme Court is the highest court in the state, but the final decree can and might come from the U.S. Supreme Court.

a reply to: network dude

that's largely the point. It's not my place, nor yours to say. That's between the mother, the doctor, and God. (even if you don't believe in him).

What a load of malarkey!
If you were being sincere, and that was really the case, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

But because people are abusing the system and using abortion for birth control, you have this argument.

More BS! Nobody is having late term abortions for birth control purposes. You're conflating abortion on demand with medically necessary abortions, and that's the whole problem with abortion bans.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I am very sincere when I say I think abortion is murder. I don't know how to convey that any clearer.

If it was safe, and rare, and not politicized, then it would be a medical procedure done out of necessity just like cancer surgery. But that's not how it's being portrayed. And when I say that, I mean by the left. It's being sold as the absolute right of a woman to kill her unborn child at will. I didn't promote this, the left did. And with that, you get the physics lesson about newton's third law.

Be loud and be proud, that way, this can always be the political wedge issue needed to sway votes. Because it sure isn't about morality, life, or the pursuit of happiness.

a reply to: network dude

I am very sincere when I say I think abortion is murder. I don't know how to convey that any clearer.

Does a woman have the right to self-defense against a pregnancy/fetus that is threatening her health, possibly her life, or not?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude

I am very sincere when I say I think abortion is murder. I don't know how to convey that any clearer.

Does a woman have the right to self-defense from a fetus that is threatening her health, possibly her life, or not?

yes. Does a child have any right to live?

a reply to: network dude

A child?

An embryo isn't a child. No, an embryo has no rights.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

when does that embryo become a child?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Sookiechacha

when does that embryo become a child?

When does a woman become a mother?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Sookiechacha

when does that embryo become a child?

When does a woman become a mother?

when she cares for a child. Or are foster parents not real parents?

When a woman has a miscarriage, don't they say, "she lost the baby, or the child"?

Or is your interpretation that until the kid is on the outside, it's just a lump of cells that mean nothing.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Here, we can turn to the law on this one.

The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Sookiechacha

when does that embryo become a child?

When does a woman become a mother?

when she cares for a child. Or are foster parents not real parents?

When a woman has a miscarriage, don't they say, "she lost the baby, or the child"?

Or is your interpretation that until the kid is on the outside, it's just a lump of cells that mean nothing.

I've had a miscarriage -- 2 live births -- and an elective abortion -- flat out because I did not want a 3rd child.

So, I know more than you.

I was devastated by the miscarriage. I was thrilled with the birth of my children.

I made a tough decision to abort my final pregnancy.

They are all separate things.

They do not cross over.

I would have been pissed as Hell if I had not had the personal right to terminate my 4th pregnancy.

My Life -- My Choices.

Not yours -- not politicians -- no one else's business.

a reply to: Annee

good for you. Killing is easy for some, and hard for others. Just ask a soldier.
eta?
why didn't you use birth control if you didn't want another kid?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Annee

good for you. Killing is easy for some, and hard for others. Just ask a soldier.
eta?
why didn't you use birth control if you didn't want another kid?

I support science. Reproduction is a biological function. Any idiot can do it. Oh, and plenty of idiots do.

Mammals reproduce. Doubt they have any thoughts beyond take care of offspring.

Your beliefs are yours -- they're not transferable to me.

a reply to: network dude

Here, we can turn to the law on this one.


The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.

This thread is about a 6 week abortion ban. At 6 weeks you have an embryo. You can call an embryo a child, a little person, or a baby, for all I care. But an embryo is not a person who has the ability to exercise any rights whatsoever. Same with a fetus. The only "person" with rights, and the ability to exercise those rights at that stage, is the pregnant woman.

Mkay?

ME
When does a woman become a mother?
You
when she cares for a child.

So, feelz is what makes a woman a mother?

The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.

When a "child in utero" threatens the health and wellbeing of the pregnant woman, she has every right to use lethal force to remove that threat.