Israel Has Concrete Proof Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City is a Hamas Base of Operations

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Will get protection in Israel and eventually citizenship or a visa for any country he would want to flee.
It has been done before.
Palestinians work in Israel, are treated in Israeli hospitals, are treated like human beings as long as they are not terrorists.
How do you think Hamas got intel on their last operation if not from citizens that work in Israel?

a reply to: NorthOS

Exactly.
What they expect to get from this other than war and destruction?

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Palestinians work in Israel, are treated in Israeli hospitals, are treated like human beings as long as they are not terrorists.

Then why are they not allowing civilians to evacuate to Israel?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
The number of dead UN staffers comes from the UN. They're there to provide aid to the people of Palestine. So I'm sure they are acting as observers to all of the tragedy that is unfolding.

The UN may know the number of dead UN Staffers, but they are clueless as to the number of dead Palestinians and Hamas. They don't dig through the rubble. They don't have communications running Gaza wide. The UN is getting it's number of dead in Gaza the same as everyone else ... through the claims of Hamas.

We know Hamas lies about the claims. They claimed Israel hit a hospital and that 500 were dead. Turned out that terrorists hit the hospital parking lot and only 10-50 were dead. That's just one example of how they lie.

We know that there isn't any heavy lifting equipment working for people to dig through the rubble of buildings to count the dead.

We know that communications are down in Gaza. So is the government. So is the electricity. So is pretty much everything.

There is ZERO chance that the numbers of dead coming out of Gaza are accurate. The number could be higher. The number could be lower. The number could be just about anything. It's not an accurate number and we will never know the true number because of the reasons I've given.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
Then why are they not allowing civilians to evacuate to Israel?

You want 2 million Palestinians, most likely Hamas sympathizers, to evacuate to Israel .. a country of only 7 million Jews? Jews .. people that Muslims have been trained since birth to hate and treat as less than human? That wouldn't be a good idea. That would be suicide for Israel.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
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Palestinians work in Israel, are treated in Israeli hospitals, are treated like human beings as long as they are not terrorists.

Then why are they not allowing civilians to evacuate to Israel?

Is this a serious question?
Israel is displacing right now 200,000 people from the line of fire for an undefinite period of time, that's an enormous effort for a country so small as Israel. Where exactly will they put 2 million palestinians?
And how do you separate the civilians from terrorist? Or you let everybody in and hope for the best?
And after the recent events would YOU take them in? Because I wouldn't, and no Israeli would.

There is an option for Egypt to take them, they have all the Sinai peninsula to accommodate them and I bet everybody will help financially. But they don't want them. Jordan doesn't want them.
So yeah, is on Israel again to keep them safe.

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If Israel refuses to provide avenues to allow innocent civilians to escape Gaza and instead strikes targets they know house civilians, how are they any better than Hamas?

a reply to: WhiteHat

If Israel raises to provide aid and instead chooses to target buildings that are housing civilians then they have no ground to stand on when they're accused of comitting genocide.

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They evacuated all the north area of Gaza with the help of UN to the south area, they even allowed them 24 hours more than they promised just to be sure that everyone makes it. They asked Egypt to let them in but it didn't work. What else do you want?
Do you realize that they are in fact enemies for more that 50 years, right? Do you realize this is a war?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WhiteHat

If Israel raises to provide aid and instead chooses to target buildings that are housing civilians then they have no ground to stand on when they're accused of comitting genocide.

Israel will defend themselves no matter what.
Maybe Hamas should stop playing stupid war games with their civilians lives.
How come that isn't even an option?

a reply to: WhiteHat

I've stated multiple times that both sides need to stop committing war crimes. Apparently that's a radical position to take.

a reply to: WhiteHat

What else do you want?

For the unnecessary death of innocents to end.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WhiteHat

I've stated multiple times that both sides need to stop committing war crimes. Apparently that's a radical position to take.

No problem. Hamas first.

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I'm sorry, I don't mean to be harsh. In an ideal world that would be the logical solution.
In our reality it doesn't seem to work this way. Is either eat or be eaten.

a reply to: WhiteHat

Both sides first. Neither side trusts the other. Seei these ultimatums of, "We'll do X after you do Y," isn't going to fly.

Both sides need to come to a mutual ceasefire and then UN peacekeepers need to be dispatched to ensure it's enforced.

a reply to: WhiteHat

Honest question, if Israel gets reliable Intel that a single Hamas member is hiding out in a church that is also being used as shelter by dozens of civilians, do you think Israel is justified in leveling it, killing everyone inside?

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I trust UN peace keepers even less.

HAMAS was empowered by Israel according to Ron Paul in 2009. They empowered HAMAS to defeat the PLO. They will probably empower another group to defeat HAMAS. Meanwhile children are suffering because everyone loves meddling in other peoples affairs.

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Hostages need to be released before the pain stops.
Every last one of them.