Ohio Constitutional amendment - caution - only read with a strong stomach

The liberals have shown their true colors when it comes to infanticide as abortion and making it legal.

Ohio has a constitutional amendment coming up for a vote that removes all restrictions on abortion and makes it legal to have an abortion at any stage of pregnancy. It would also be legal for a healthy uterus owner while in labor to decide to "abort" a healthy full term "fetus". The amendment removes restrictions on "partial birth abortion". This is where the baby's head is expelled through the uterus and the physician jabs a knife or scissors into the throat of the baby as it is expelled.

No wonder many liberals are supporting Hamas as freedom fighters. Liberals want to pass a constitutional amendment that makes killing healthy live babies by cutting their throats before their shoulders leave the birth canal legal in the state of Ohio. Is that why liberal college students and the Squad members don't find beheading babies a reason to condemn Hamas' behavior?

The Rep. Governor of the state strongly opposes the constitutional amendment. He has run ads that ask people to vote no.

"It would allow abortion at any point in the pregnancy," DeWine said. "It would negate Ohio's law that we've had on the books for many, many years that prohibits partial birth abortion."

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In a partial-birth abortion, the abortionist begins delivering the baby but stops partway. Holding half of the baby's body still inside her mother's body, he then kills her by jamming scissors into her neck.

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a reply to: TheSingleBillie

Sick,sick bastards.
Satanic child sacrifice written all over it.

Why stop at birth? Just make killing legal and we can see how that works out.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

"It would allow abortion at any point in the pregnancy," DeWine said. "It would negate Ohio's law that we've had on the books for many, many years that prohibits partial birth abortion."

A "yes" vote supports amending the Ohio Constitution to:

establish a state constitutional right to "make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to" decisions about abortion, contraception, fertility treatment, miscarriage care, and continuing pregnancy, and allow the state to restrict abortion after fetal viability, except when “necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.”

A "no" vote opposes amending the Ohio Constitution to establish the constitutional right to "make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions."

Ohio Issue 1, Right to Make Reproductive Decisions Including Abortion Initiative (2023)

1) Partial birth abortions are illegal in the USA. It's federal law, and a state law can't override federal law.
2) No, the proposed amendment wording doesn't allow for partial birth abortion.



ETA:
Found the actual proposed amendment:

The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety
SUMMARY

The Amendment would amend Article I of the Ohio Constitution by adding Section 22, titled “The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety.”

The Amendment provides that:

1. Every individual has a right to make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to decisions on contraception, fertility treatment, continuing one’s own pregnancy, miscarriage care, and abortion.

2. The State shall not, directly or indirectly, burden, penalize, prohibit, interfere with, or discriminate against either an individual’s voluntary exercise of this right or a person or entity that assists an individual exercising this right, unless the State demonstrates that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual’s health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care.

3. However, abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability. But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.

4. As used in this Section, “Fetal viability” means “the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures. This is determined on a case-by-case basis”; and “State” includes any governmental entity and political subdivision.

5. This Section is self-executing.

FULL TEXT OF PROPOSED AMENDMENT

Be it Resolved by the People of the State of Ohio that Article I of the Ohio Constitution is amended to add the following Section:

Article I, Section 22. The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety

A. Every individual has a right to make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to decisions on:

contraception;

fertility treatment;

continuing one’s own pregnancy;

miscarriage care; and

abortion

B. The State shall not, directly or indirectly, burden, penalize, prohibit, interfere with, or discriminate against either:

An individual’s voluntary exercise of this right or

A person or entity that assists an individual exercising this right

unless the State demonstrates that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual’s health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care.

However, abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability. But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.

C. As used in this Section:

“Fetal viability” means “the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures. This is determined on a case-by-case basis.”

“State” includes any governmental entity and any political subdivision.

D. This Section is self-executing.

www.readtheamendment.com...

originally posted by: sookiechachazback
a reply to: TheSingleBillie

"It would allow abortion at any point in the pregnancy," DeWine said. "It would negate Ohio's law that we've had on the books for many, many years that prohibits partial birth abortion."

A "yes" vote supports amending the Ohio Constitution to:

establish a state constitutional right to "make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to" decisions about abortion, contraception, fertility treatment, miscarriage care, and continuing pregnancy, and allow the state to restrict abortion after fetal viability, except when “necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.”

A "no" vote opposes amending the Ohio Constitution to establish the constitutional right to "make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions."

Ohio Issue 1, Right to Make Reproductive Decisions Including Abortion Initiative (2023)

1) Partial birth abortions are illegal in the USA. It's federal law, and a state law can't override federal law.
2) No, the proposed amendment wording doesn't allow for partial birth abortion.


ETA:
Foiund the actual proposed amendment:

The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety
SUMMARY

The Amendment would amend Article I of the Ohio Constitution by adding Section 22, titled “The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety.”

The Amendment provides that:

1. Every individual has a right to make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to decisions on contraception, fertility treatment, continuing one’s own pregnancy, miscarriage care, and abortion.

2. The State shall not, directly or indirectly, burden, penalize, prohibit, interfere with, or discriminate against either an individual’s voluntary exercise of this right or a person or entity that assists an individual exercising this right, unless the State demonstrates that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual’s health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care.

3. However, abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability. But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.

4. As used in this Section, “Fetal viability” means “the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures. This is determined on a case-by-case basis”; and “State” includes any governmental entity and political subdivision.

5. This Section is self-executing.

FULL TEXT OF PROPOSED AMENDMENT

Be it Resolved by the People of the State of Ohio that Article I of the Ohio Constitution is amended to add the following Section:

Article I, Section 22. The Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety

A. Every individual has a right to make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions, including but not limited to decisions on:

contraception;

fertility treatment;

continuing one’s own pregnancy;

miscarriage care; and

abortion

B. The State shall not, directly or indirectly, burden, penalize, prohibit, interfere with, or discriminate against either:

An individual’s voluntary exercise of this right or

A person or entity that assists an individual exercising this right

unless the State demonstrates that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual’s health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care.

However, abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability. But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.

C. As used in this Section:

“Fetal viability” means “the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures. This is determined on a case-by-case basis.”

“State” includes any governmental entity and any political subdivision.

D. This Section is self-executing.

www.readtheamendment.com...

According to the Governor of Ohio it does make partial birth abortion legal. I think he would know.

What federal statute makes it illegal if a state constitution makes it legal? Overriding states rights?

There is NO DEBATE that it makes it legal for a healthy uterus owner to "abort" a completely healthy and vibrant full term fetus during full term labor. Which in my opinion is infanticide. How is it not infanticide? Just because only a head is out and the rest of the body inside the uterus, is that what makes it not infanticide in the eyes of the liberal left pushing this legislation? I think that is why so very many liberal leftists support Hamas and don't find the killing of infants problematic.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

According to the Governor of Ohio it does make partial birth abortion legal. I think he would know.

He's lying. Politicians do that all the time.

The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003

Under this law, any physician "who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both". The law was enacted in 2003, and in 2007 its constitutionality was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart.

This statute prohibits a method of abortion; the statute calls the prohibited method "partial birth abortion". The procedure described in the statute is used in the second trimester,[3] from 15 to 26 weeks, most of which occurs before viability. The law itself contains no reference to gestational age or viability. The statute is directed only at a method of abortion, rather than at preventing any woman from obtaining an abortion.[4]

What federal statute makes it illegal if a state constitution makes it legal? Overriding states rights?

THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE OF US CONSTITUTION

It's the same law that made Roe V Wade the law of the land.

There is NO DEBATE that it makes it legal for a healthy uterus owner to "abort" a completely healthy and vibrant full term fetus during full term labor.

It does not.

However, abortion may be prohibited after fetal viability. But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.

"A uterus owner" doesn't make the decision, a doctor does.
FACT: It more risky to abort a healthy fetus than to deliver it via C-Section, when a woman's life or health are at stake. No doctor self-respecting, insured, hospital authorized doctor is going to abort a healthy fetus when delivery is an option.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

I'm for 54th trimester abortions.

a reply to: N3ONOTS33

Based on a thread you just made I am going to call you a liar.
Anyways to the OP...abortion equals not cool.
Now I would never tell someone what they can can't do do I have my opinion. So the moment we pass lawys saying what someone can or can't do with their own body I am out.
These little beings couldn't exist without outside of the womb without extreme hospitality and care so if you want to ban abortion then create a coffer of funds so support the children because the parent clearly doesn't want them. And in doing so don't complain about tax hikes to support these kids.

LOL, still delivering sensationalist hot garbage, I see.

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
Based on a thread you just made I am going to call you a liar.

No! Not that!

My feefee's.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

So you can read it yourself and still decide to make false claims? No where does it state the mother can make a determination regardless of viability up to birth.

Here it is again just in case you decide you want to read it correctly.


No wonder this site has turned into a disaster.

Why would you lie like this?

The Ohio amendment only makes it so abortion cannot be outlawed in the state.

Republicans have done everything they could to prevent the amendment from going to the citizenry for a vote and every single time the people of Ohio have voted against the Republicans' efforts.

The only disturbing thing about this whole thing is the lengths the GOP has gone to in order to override the will of their constituents.

a reply to: Frogs4531

Ya it's pretty bad.
Also I found the numbers of reported abortions and the average cost here in America to raise a kid and numbers would cost us many many doll hairs.
Now I don't support abortion but I am not the one to make that call. But those numbers are not fun to look at.
And ya ATS does seem to be a dying breed of folk.
I really hope they get this back to a working and moderated discussion forum.

a reply to: Frogs4531

Hi Frogs!
Nice to see you "no worse for wear" of the NEW ATS reality!

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
I really hope they get this back to a working and moderated discussion forum.

I don't.

How else would I be able to tell CWM to stop sucking Trump's dick?

a reply to: sookiechachazback


“ 1) Partial birth abortions are illegal in the USA. It's federal law, and a state law can't override federal law. ”

How do states get away with selling marijuana if the drug is illegal by federal law?
Never really dug into why this can happen.

Same with sanctuary cities and state gun bans.
The 2nd says shall not be infringed but Illinois says screw that..🤷‍♂️

a reply to: Threadbarer

The GOP has proven themselves recently to not give a feck about their own constitute base. Unless you have money.
For some reason they believe that the biggest donors speak for the masses and that exact attitude had brought them to the brink.
But that is a they problem not anyone else's. And as much as they complain that that the left doesn't reach out they started the "party of no". They need only look in the mirror to find the baddie

a reply to: sookiechachazback

Hi Sookie! Yeah it kind of sucks though. I had that profile for 20 years, oddly enough I was sad about it! It's kind of crazy here right now. But glad to see you!

originally posted by: N3ONOTS33

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
I really hope they get this back to a working and moderated discussion forum.

I don't.

How else would I be able to tell CWM to stop sucking Trump's dick?

You could just not say that.
And BTW even though I have completely different views than CWM I still respect him.
I may trill him but that dude doesn't deserve to have others say mean things.

a reply to: Bluntone

How do states get away with selling marijuana if the drug is illegal by federal law?
Never really dug into why this can happen.

States can only "get away with it" because the feds have agreed to look the other way. But, that could change at any time, and feds could start raiding legal dispensaries and citizen's homes at the stroke of a federal pen.

Same with sanctuary cities

Sanctuary cities are merely cities that don't require city employees to do the federal agents job.

state gun bans

Something, something...."A well-regulated militia...."