A Serious Question for our Israeli Friends...

a reply to: purplemer
I suppose you believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion too.

Bottom line - there is one small Jewish homeland and it is historically theirs.
There are 50 Muslim majority countries. The Jews should keep their one small homeland.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Hamas was created by Israel. Meaning what is happening now is a false flag event.. Just like the US liberty and 911..

a reply to: greendust

Also, think, what if Israel just opened the gates and trusted their lives to Arabs? What would happen

Many countires in the world do have an answer and call for Palestine to become a state..

Simple good start eh

a reply to: whyamIhere

The United Nations placed them there after WWII. You dont know that?

a reply to: JIMC5499

Please, for god sake educate yourself before writing BS like that.

Do you know how nowdays Israel was called before 1948 - yes it was Palestine. Do you know who lived there - yes it was the Palestians.

Taking away the homeland of people will allways create conflict. Taking away more and more of them, and holding them in and freeeair prison for decades will create more conflict.

No, I don`t stand with assholes who kill children and woman - but what to expect if you are trapping in millions of people for decades, and at the same time slowly taking away more and more of their land and replace it with yours?

Not meant as personal attack, but man pls just read some more - you know not everything is starspangled banner stuff - there is a world out of your realm.

a reply to: purplemer

Do any of said countries want to take Palestinian refugees?

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: greendust

Also, think, what if Israel just opened the gates and trusted their lives to Arabs? What would happen

Many countires in the world do have an answer and call for Palestine to become a state..

Simple good start eh

So for clarification you just want Israel to open the gates of Gaza and let the chips fall where they may?

Here's a snapshot of the current situation in Israel

a reply to: whyamIhere

originally posted by: yuppa

The Ottomans annexed it originally and when doing so it stopped being a country.
The Ottoman empire was Later destroyed. when a country is no more its lands used to go to the victor.
The lands belonged to FRANCE and BRITAIN.
All claims were null except theirs.It was not a country called Palestine,because it was called THE AREA of palestinia.

Also the Israelis living on that land were living along side of the arabs during that time. BOTH groups were to be given land.(yes there were jews there before WW2 as well) They got along until the Sultans got involved and got greedy.

The Sultanate(arab big bosses) did not want Israel to exist again as it did in the past before the Romans and Ottomans.
They ordered all Arabs to leave the area,and meet up so they could destroy the new Israel. Then they were surprised when Israel kicked their goat loving arses.

a reply to: whyamIhere

See above post.

Israel belongs to Israel.

a reply to: whyamIhere

I'm not Jewish (100% Gentile here) but I can give you a solid answer from the Torah.
In 2 Kings 5, the king of Syria sends one of his commanders (Naaman) to the prophet Elisha. Elisha tells him to wash seven times in the Jordan in order to be healed of his leprosy.
Despite initially refusing (what a ridiculous request!), Naaman's servant girl convinces him that he has nothing to lose, and thhat it's a simple request, and so Naaman relents and washes in the river as commanded.

When he is healed - miraculously - Naaman's response is interesting:

And he returned to the man of God, he and all his aides, and came and stood before him; and he said, “Indeed, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, except in Israel; now therefore, please take a gift from your servant.” 16 But he said, “As the Lord lives, before whom I stand, I will receive nothing.” And he urged him to take it, but he refused. 17 So Naaman said, “Then, if not, please let your servant be given two mule-loads of earth; for your servant will no longer offer either burnt offering or sacrifice to other gods, but to the Lord.

- 2 Kings 5:15-17

Why does this matter? Because Naaman recognised that the land isn't just territory. The torah says that this is the place where God has written His name (Ezra 6:12, 2 Chronicles 6:6, 1 Kings 14:21, and others). That's potentially true VERY literally (teachingforsotzambia.com...) - make of that what you will - but it's the crux of the answer here.

It's not just about land. It's about the fact that the Jews believe - sincerely - that God gave this land to their forefathers, and that this land is unique. It's not about their ownership of the Land - but rather, there belief that GOD owns that land, over all the other kingdoms of the earth (that's a constant Biblical theme - this land is God's, the other nations belong to 'false gods' - to elohim who rebelled against God. Read Psalm 82 and Duteronomy 32:8-9 for more information on that).

Ask IPAAC

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: purplemer
Are there not different types of Jews. Do they not worship different books. Some wont join the IDF. Not all are the same or have that view do they..

Irrelevant. They are Jews and there is only one Jewish homeland and it has historically been their through the millennia. There are 50 Muslim majority countries. The Jews can keep their one small homeland. Muslims just need to learn Kindergarten manners and share and not take what isn't theirs.

Are you not being a little economical with the truth there..

Nope.

This is an interesting take on history. You do know that the Jews slaughtered and conquered the populations already living in the ‘Holy’ land? They took it by force. Fair enough? Not fair enough then that Muslims took control of it and ruled it for hundreds of years?

It is no more the legitimate Jewish homeland than it is any of the other tribes or peoples who have lived there.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: purplemer

Do any of said countries want to take Palestinian refugees?

Palestine will become a nation..

a reply to: FlyersFan

I suppose you believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion too.

I see what you did there. Thats not me. None above and none below. Shame others dont see it that way..

a reply to: JIMC5499
Palestine is the name of that land, has been since the Bible was originally written. Check it against maps from all the different empires over the centuries. My French Atlas from 1926 also has Palestine written in as the name of that land.

Regardless, I think it is time for an international coalition to just surround the Gaza strip and purge Hamas out of that enclave once and for all. Give 48 hours to a week for Civilians, women, children, the elderly to escape the urban area. Then whoever has remained has chosen to remain in an active war zone. Only themselves to blame if they arent fighters.

Rules of surrender should still be in place. We have to show why we are better people, not the same. We did it in Fallujah, the Russians been doing it in Ukraine. Why cant an international coalition do it for Hamas in Gaza?

And I don't want to hear no excuses about end times and aplocalyptic events nonsense either. It can be done!

a reply to: FlyersFan
The land was called Palestine since that promise was allegedly made. All Israelis who were born in that land are also Palestinian. Palestine has just referred to that land, under various Empires over the years. Arab Palestinians are just Arabs, and Jewish Palestinians are just Jews. Calling them Israeli's just makes it feel better to edit history. I call all Israelis Palestinian Jews. And the ones who want a Jewish state are just supremacist Jews who believe they are better than the rest of humanity.

Jew or Arab, if they are in that land they are all Palestinian. I wonder why the Jews cannot share that land EQUALLY the way they did for centuries as they all served under the rule of one empire or another? What historical publications have cited that this land is been majority Jewish since Africans enslaved them to build monuments?

Honest question as I do see this claim bandied about often, but am ignorant as to its veracity.

They all started in Judah.
Do you know about when they were ruled by the Romans? Jesus was a Jew from the House of David.
Did you know that the Arab Muslims conquered their land and took Jerusalem?
Did you know that the Jews helped the Arabs fight against the Crusades?
The entire time they were the worlds...bankers.
In the early 20th century they wanted to go back to where they were from and what happened? They were attacked by the Arabs in the region.
This started to cause issues with the UK who could not contain the Arabs.
The UN gave them the land back in an Arab State. Less than a year later they were again at war with the Arabs.
1956.1967.1973.1982 and 2006 all had major conflict in the region. It has been on fire since the late 70;s which is about the time Islam really made a move worldwide.

There are less than 9 million Jews worldwide and they are one of the oldest tribes on the planet.

They fight back. Who should not fight back. Again, some of you have no idea the aid they provide Palestine. Look it up. Go Ahead.

All citizens of Palestine should go to the West Bank area and Allow HAMAS to be removed and a new city to be built.

I firmly believe that Israel is for the Jewish People!

If for some unknown reason the Jews cannot live in Israel anymore, then might I suggest let them move to Cuba. That would solve so many current problems...

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: JAY1980
It's important to understand Israel isn't under attack because they are Jewish. They are under attack because their treatment of Palestinians.

We should be suggesting this for Palestinians not the Israelis. The Palestinians are the ones occupying an open air prison for the last 20 years.

Palestine is a fictional construct. The majority of this mess was created by the old USSR (Russians). It's a shame that they never get the real credit that they deserve.

Ok, how did Russia cause this issue, I am intrigued

a reply to: DBCowboy

Well fine, you know when the Ottoman Empire existet? It was well before your homeland was created by stealing it from the native folk.

By that logic the US belongs to "native" habitants of north america, right?

US belongs to native Americans.