Is Heaven Beyond Time, or is only God?

We know the Word of God is true because of prophecy. It's our greatest proof the bible is true. God does nothing without announcing it through a prophet first.

We also know he is beyond time, outside of it, in another dimension so to speak and we also know he is all knowing, knowing the end of all things and only He shares this attribute.

Some people also say there is no time in heaven. If there is no time in heaven, does that mean anyone in heaven can see the future? I'd think this not to be, since that would mean anyone in heaven could give prophesy so to speak and we know, knowing all things is an attribute only God has.

Does this mean there is time in heaven, a different kind of time? Or perhaps time is meaningless and therefore only God can travel between Earth time and the non time of heaven, and pierce the veil so to speak, not unlike how only Jesus was deemed worthy to open the scroll in Revelation.

Time is connected to space and the bible also says the heavens will be rolled up as a scroll, so perhaps even though there is no time in heaven, only the Father can access the scroll of time so speak, not to mention, even if there is no time in heaven, surely no created thing can know everything for being limited, but how about seeing the end of all things? Does one need to know everything to see the end of all things, or what about seeing just a limited number of things?

I argue both of these things are attributed to God, knowing all things, AND seeing the end of all things, aka, seeing the future, therefore, even if there is no time in heaven, the heavenly host, or even people in heaven, somehow can't peer into the veil of the future, but someone only the present, otherwise can any angel or the souls mentioned in Revelation, can never see the Earth in the present or future.

In short, can only God see anything in the future? If heaven is beyond time, is there any access to Earth time for angels in the 3rd heaven?

I guess, perhaps Jesus is the link between Earth time and the "Beyond Time-ness" of Heaven. Or perhaps, as Paul said, the 3rd heaven, maybe the how angels access the present Earth time is from the second Heaven? Thereby would this preserve Heaven being truly beyond time, yet having angels have the ability to access the present in Earth Time, but not the future.

Perhaps God has the ability also to sync up the non time of Heaven and Earth time according to his plan of Redemption in the book of revelation where the souls are asking God, how long until they are avenged. They would need to be somehow synced up to Earth time in a realm beyond time.


Wonderful idea, but a little presumptuous I fear. May the Lord have mercy and protect me from any sin of presumption.

Thanks for the move, I'll keep in mind to post to this section.

a reply to: TTU77

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