Israel says no humanitarian break to Gaza siege unless hostages are freed

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No humanitarian aid till the hostages are freed unharmed

Yes or No

JUST BASIC humanitarian aid, food, water and electricity, medical supplies

Israel says no humanitarian break to Gaza siege unless hostages are freed.

This is the obvious first step, forget the history and who caused this or that. The hostages must be freed unharmed immediately for basic aid and services to return to Gaza. If they do not then it's obvious the IDF has no choice, but to continue.

This also shows that Turkey has become a major player here, a release of the hostages would be a major step.

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JERUSALEM/GAZA/ASHKELON, Oct 12 (Reuters) - Israel said on Thursday there would be no humanitarian break to its siege of the Gaza Strip until all its hostages were freed, after the Red Cross pleaded for fuel to be allowed in to prevent overwhelmed hospitals from "turning into morgues".

Israel has vowed to annihilate the Hamas movement that rules the Gaza Strip in retribution for the deadliest attack on Jews since the Holocaust, when hundreds of gunmen poured across the barrier fence and rampaged through Israeli towns on Saturday.

Public broadcaster Kan said the Israeli death toll had risen to more than 1,300 people killed since Saturday. Most were civilians gunned down in their homes, on the streets or at a dance party. Scores of Israeli and foreign hostages were taken back to Gaza.

The full scale of the killings has emerged in recent days after Israeli forces reclaimed control of towns, finding homes strewn with bodies, including women who were raped and killed and children who were shot and burned.

Israel has responded so far by putting the enclave, home to 2.3 million people, under total siege and launching by far the most powerful bombing campaign in the 75-year history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, destroying whole neighbourhoods.

Gaza authorities say more than 1,200 people have been killed and more 5,000 people have been wounded in the bombing. The sole electric power station has been switched off and hospitals are running out of fuel for emergency generators.

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Turkey in talks seeking release of civilians held by Hamas, senior Turkish official says

ANKARA, Oct 11 (Reuters) - Turkey, which has historically had contacts with Hamas, is carrying out negotiations aimed at securing the release of civilians held by the militant Palestinian group, a senior Turkish official said on Wednesday.

After the Hamas attack on Israel at the weekend, Ankara has launched diplomacy seeking to mediate the conflict.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said President Tayyip Erdogan ordered the talks. Erdogan has held phone calls with regional powers this week to convey Ankara's offer to mediate and discuss the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

"Turkey is carrying out negotiations regarding the civilian prisoners held by Hamas. Upon President Tayyip Erdogan's orders, the relevant institutions are carrying out a process regarding the civilians held by Hamas," the person said, without providing further details.

Turkish politicians, including Erdogan, have previously met members of Hamas. There has been no official statement from Ankara about contact with the group since the fighting began.

Scores of Israelis and others from abroad were taken to Gaza as hostages, some of whom were paraded through streets. Both sides have said many women and children were among the dead and wounded.

Turkey, which has backed Palestinians in the past, supports a two-state solution to the conflict and hosts Hamas members. It has been working to repair its ties with Israel after years of acrimony, primarily by focusing on energy cooperation.

Good, and don't give an inch to your enemy. Send in the B-52 's and see how they like being carpet bombed. For peace they need to eliminate a generation or two.

Sad but true.

The problem with this conflict is that Israel are dealing with fanatics. Peace and reconciliation will never occur while Hamas are part of the equation. They don't want peace. They want perpetual conflict. Furthermore, they want dead Jews and Israel removed.

People who call themselves Palestinians need to find ways to remove Hamas.

if feels like when hamas pushed the needle of public opinion its not going to be easy to shift it back..

I have a mostly lefty female sm feed, even a couple of sjws and its more "never again is now" as the brutal rape abuse, torture and murder of women and kids has found a very unforgiving home.

on that feed its more a prisoners freed first.. which I'm inclined to agree with.. especially if they are not with hamas but rather with other operators.. so hamas needs to get them and free them..

originally posted by: nickyw
if feels like when hamas pushed the needle of public opinion its not going to be easy to shift it back..

I have a mostly lefty female sm feed, even a couple of sjws and its more "never again is now" as the brutal rape abuse, torture and murder of women and kids has found a very unforgiving home.

on that feed its more a prisoners freed first.. which I'm inclined to agree with.. especially if they are not with hamas but rather with other operators.. so hamas needs to get them and free them..

Not sure if Im following you?

You don't think Hamas has some sort of control of the hostages?

Are you suggesting there is another fiction within Gaza that carried out this operation?

it's early here want to make sure I understand your view here

No aid from the USA at all, because we're trillions in debt.
We have no money to help other countries.
Beyond that: if they wanna kill each other, they should be entirely left to find and make their own weapons.

I mean it's too late now.
It doesn't matter what citizens think.
The leaders will make war.

But for the record, from a US citizen, I don't condone my leaders doing anything at all about this.
It was interventionism that made these problems as bad as they are in the first place.
It's not our fight.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
No aid from the USA at all, because we're trillions in debt.
We have no money to help other countries.
Beyond that: if they wanna kill each other, they should have to do it with sticks and stones.
I mean it's too late now.
It doesn't matter what citizens think.
The leaders will make war.

But for the record, from a US citizen, I don't condone my leaders doing anything at all about this.
It was interventionism that made these problems as bad as they are in the first place.

Not referring to US financial aid or US aid in particular. JUST BASIC humanitarian aid, food, water and electricity

This for now is Israel's responsibility, Im not even sure America could persuade a different stance for Israel anyway

a reply to: putnam6

lets not ignore Egypt here as its the only other party with an ability to act unilaterally.

Egypt says Israel seeks to empty Gaza, rejects corridors for civilians

In contrast, If Russia did this to Ukraine the MSM etc would be clutching their pearls and heads would explode.

We’ll see how far this goes. So hamas is behind this and now it’s ok for someone like Israel to do that to the whole population of Palestinians there.

I’m not saying whether the tactic is fully right or wrong.

Just saying Ursula von der Leyen would sh*t her pant suit off in an out cry if this was Ukraine.

a reply to: putnam6

Gaza had all that, access to power, food water etc, then they went crazy and tried to kill thousands of Israelis, dont blame them one bit for turning everything off, let the Gazans get their stuff friom Egypt

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: putnam6

lets not ignore Egypt here as its the only other party with an ability to act unilaterally.

Egypt says Israel seeks to empty Gaza, rejects corridors for civilians

Egypt is being cautious as hell and rightfully so.

If they opened the border up they would get flooded with a humanitarian crisis, at best, at worst militant factions from Gaza infiltrate Egypt.

They have numerous legit reasons to not want hordes of refugees crossing the border, but I can see where eventually there will be camps for some

lets not forget...


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Israel captured the Gaza Strip in the 1967 Middle East war. An Israeli census that year put Gaza's population at 394,000, at least 60% of them refugees.


With the Egyptians gone, many Gazan workers took jobs in the agriculture, construction and services industries inside Israel, to which they could gain easy access at that time. Israeli troops remained to administer the territory and to guard the settlements that Israel built in the following decades. These became a source of growing Palestinian resentment.

1987 - First Palestinian uprising. Hamas formed

Twenty years after the 1967 war, Palestinians launched their first intifada, or uprising. It began in December 1987 after a traffic accident in which an Israeli truck crashed into a vehicle carrying Palestinian workers in Gaza's Jabalya refugee camp, killing four. Stone-throwing protests, strikes and shutdowns followed.



Seizing the angry mood, the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood created an armed Palestinian branch, Hamas, with its power base in Gaza. Hamas, dedicated to Israel's destruction and restoration of Islamic rule in what it saw as occupied Palestine, became a rival to Yasser Arafat's secular Fatah party that led the Palestine Liberation Organization.

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Movement of registered travellers through Rafah, which is subject to tight controls, has been interrupted since Israeli bombardments hit the Palestinian side of the crossing earlier this week.

Egypt, a key mediator between Israel and the Palestinians during periods of unrest in Gaza, has said it is trying to facilitate the delivery of relief but that the situation inside the enclave has hampered plans.

Egypt has also signalled its rejection of Gaza residents being forced south across the border.

"From the beginning, we emphasised the continued opening of the Rafah crossing to provide humanitarian aid, and the crossing will remain open until we meet the urgent humanitarian needs of Gaza Strip," Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry said in a press conference with his Lithuanian counterpart.

That would be genocide, so no. Also, you'd eliminate the hostages.

a reply to: mikell

Same crap always. War starts, people get kidnapped and then cease fire..... normal war tactics in ME.

Had Joshua done what Yahweh told him to do there would be no Palenstine. Joshua dropped the ball...

a reply to: putnam6

originally posted by: TheValeyard
I don't condone my leaders doing anything at all about this.

22 dead Americans and dozens taken hostage.
They have to do something about it.

originally posted by: putnam6
No humanitarian aid till the hostages are freed unharmed

Yes or No

YES. The Palestinians put Hamas in charge. Voted them in.

originally posted by: mikell
Good, and don't give an inch to your enemy. Send in the B-52 's and see how they like being carpet bombed. For peace they need to eliminate a generation or two.

Sad but true.

Well, maybe a generation or two of the armed groups but not the kids or normal people. The people have been hijacked by Hamas. Most never voted for it. That's a fact and "sad but true." For sure wipe out Hamas and all loony armed groups in Gaza. No prisoners, they must but eliminated in entirity. Yet do it with accuracy and respect for the innocent.

originally posted by: Imhere
In contrast, If Russia did this to Ukraine the MSM etc would be clutching their pearls and heads would explode.

We’ll see how far this goes. So hamas is behind this and now it’s ok for someone like Israel to do that to the whole population of Palestinians there.

I’m not saying whether the tactic is fully right or wrong.

Just saying Ursula von der Leyen would sh*t her pant suit off in an out cry if this was Ukraine.

Not sure I see anything close to a parallel here.

First of all, Russia and Ukraine negotiate and exchange prisoners of thier current war all the time.

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Secondly, Ukraine is a fully recognized sovereign nation, while Gaza was essentially lost to Israel in 1967 as part of the war and settlement.

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Twenty years after the 1967 war, Palestinians launched their first intifada, or uprising. It began in December 1987 after a traffic accident in which an Israeli truck crashed into a vehicle carrying Palestinian workers in Gaza's Jabalya refugee camp, killing four. Stone-throwing protests, strikes and shutdowns followed.

Seizing the angry mood, the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood created an armed Palestinian branch, Hamas, with its power base in Gaza. Hamas, dedicated to Israel's destruction and restoration of Islamic rule in what it saw as occupied Palestine, became a rival to Yasser Arafat's secular Fatah party that led the Palestine Liberation Organization

The simple permanent fix for all of this would have been a couple of nukes on the biggest cities in the Gaza strip. One on Gaza City. One on Khan Yunis. Once the Strip emptied out then declare it a Dead zone for the next 100 years.

It would all be over by the end of the week.

a reply to: putnam6

A firm no. The people's responsibility is to eliminate the government that is causing the issue. Want peace? Get rid of the ones that cause the problem. Yeah, like we're ones to talk sine we don't do that ourselves.

a reply to: putnam6

Hamas has total control over Gaza and the Palestine people who dont live in freedom despite what AOC and the other trash spew. They picked up where Yasser left off but are extremely radicalized who also torment the Palestine people.

All HAMAS needs to eradicated.

Let the UN give them the Humanitarian aid under UN control so it doesnt get into Hamas hands. REVISED

(October 11, 2023 / JNS)
An official statement from the Hamas terrorist organization and comments from a former Hamas leader—both calling for global mobilization against Israel this Friday, Oct. 13—are raising alarm at Jewish organizations and among those who monitor the Middle East.

Yes to NO Humanitarian aid