There is a Worldwide shortage of ADHD Medication.

originally posted by: boredhere74
Maybe I'm just stupid about this but how does an amphetamine help someone that is already hyperactive?

Stimulants tend to have the opposite effect on naturally hyperactive people.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: GoShredAK

Took these drugs for many years as a child/teen...I am not a fan of them knowing what I do now about them as an adult. Basically these things are lab made derivatives of speed. I make out just fine as an adult with a good career, wife, and life. No need to take twice daily speed pills.

Thank God you didn't let them destroy you. I'm happy for you.

If one goes to far with these meds you become trapped inside your own miserable mind

It’s a poison TEACHERS prescribe the students because they are lazy. Lazy parents prefer the idea their kid has a condition and is suffering with the solution being drugs to correct a chemical imbalance. In reality they are negligent and prefer to force drugs and pills into their own child rather than admit a parenting fault and teach better behavior. The over diagnosis and over dependence on such drugs proves my point.

a reply to: djz3ro

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
It’s a poison TEACHERS prescribe the students because they are lazy. Lazy parents prefer the idea their kid has a condition and is suffering with the solution being drugs to correct a chemical imbalance. In reality they are negligent and prefer to force drugs and pills into their own child rather than admit a parenting fault and teach better behavior. The over diagnosis and over dependence on such drugs proves my point.

a reply to: djz3ro

Love for you to spend a couple days with my kid.

I know -- all they need is a good spanking.

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: boredhere74
Maybe I'm just stupid about this but how does an amphetamine help someone that is already hyperactive?

Stimulants tend to have the opposite effect on naturally hyperactive people.

My kid was prescribed caffeinated tea with honey in the morning.

So it’s pills or violence in your mind? Explains why you drug your child. I feel bad for them, doesn’t mean I want to take over for you to keep being lazy.

It is remarkable the lack of responsibility you feel for your own child’s poor behavior. Who taught them that? You clearly ascribe to nature VS nurture.


a reply to: Annee

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
So it’s pills or violence in your mind? Explains why you drug your child. I feel bad for them, doesn’t mean I want to take over for you to keep being lazy.

It is remarkable the lack of responsibility you feel for your own child’s poor behavior. Who taught them that? You clearly ascribe to nature VS nurture.


a reply to: Annee

It's always evident when speaking with someone who lacks any real life experience with an ADHD or Autistic child.

"We" are about 2 months into school now and the new special ed team is still making changes to best accommodate both child and teachers.

Must be my lack of responsibility that its taking so long.

There is a Worldwide shortage of ADHD Medication.

Perhaps they should stop prescribing it to kids because the parents want their children to be calm ?
Dang , most are kids being kids who never had parental guidance.

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: GoShredAK
Amphetamines and baby coc aine.

Not saying they don't work or that some people don't benefit, but that's what they are.

I hate big pharma for things like this. You can't just stop their drugs cold turkey or you may develop mental illness after a traumatic withdrawal or worse.

It is definitely over prescribed and diagnosed. I think a big part of it though is that our school system is not designed now to deal with boys and how they learn. Boys need to be active and playing. I think there is too much time spent on rote learning. It causes boys to get restless and develop behavior issues.

I've always said this is the fault of lazy impatient teachers and parents.

Every kid is unique with their own energy level. AdHD kids, if their focus was channeled into something productive, they will excel!

We can't expect all kids to react the same under the same school environment. Find their gifts and passions and focus on that.

You are way over simplifying it. For some it can be channeled productively, not all.

originally posted by: nugget1
There are alternative medications.

Stimulant alternatives to Adderall include Ritalin, Concerta and Daytrana (methylphenidate); Vyvanse (lisdexamfetamine); and Dexedrine (dextroamphetamine). Nonstimulant alternatives to Adderall include Strattera (atomoxetine), Intuniv (Guanfacine) and Kapvay (clonidine).

[uwww.drugwatch.com...]

What I've noticed for many years now is when Big Pharma discontinues a medication it isn't very long before they come up with a brand new replacement-at a much higher price.

*Not all shortages are created equal.

The non stimulant drugs are considered second line in treatment as they dont work for as many people, and tend to have either side effects that need to be worked through until the body gets used to them or for some people the side effects are too much.

While I agree doctors are often too quick to prescribe stimulants and people do abuse them, when at the right dosage they can work wonders for calming the mind enough to be functional. This has huge implications in life as untreated ADHD is tied to higher rates of failure in work, school, relationships as well as more serious things like higher rates of other mental illnesses, depression, suicide, gambling, jail, criminality, and drug abuse. This is why there is a trend to get children treated early so they find earlier success in all things normal so they have that to fall back on in life.

I believe this to be true because I was only diagnosed at fifty and have dealt with most of that list personally. I found out on taking meds that I was never depressed per se, only utterly frustrated at being hopelessly lost inside my own head and truly now see where I fall back into patterns of despair and frustration that were my norm for decades. The idea of preventing children from experiencing endless failure is sound but I dont like that they are given to children and never got my kids diagnosed despite suspecting they had it. Fortunately, they were mild cases where family and school support can help. I, on the other hand, was so messed up until I took the meds and finally had enough clarity to see what steps of self improvement were needed. Many naysayers take for granted that these steps they find so readily available are easy to access for everyone but they arent if your brain isnt wired right.

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
It’s a poison TEACHERS prescribe the students because they are lazy. Lazy parents prefer the idea their kid has a condition and is suffering with the solution being drugs to correct a chemical imbalance. In reality they are negligent and prefer to force drugs and pills into their own child rather than admit a parenting fault and teach better behavior. The over diagnosis and over dependence on such drugs proves my point.

a reply to: djz3ro

Teachers don't prescribe drugs, they shouldn't even give out paracetamol. Usually it's GPs who prescribe ADHD meds and that's the big issue. Meds like that as well as any other medication that is prescribed with a mental health diagnosis should be done by a mental health professional such as a psychiatrist. That isn't happening though because the NHS is historically underfunded. People are actually aware these days of kids having issues so there's a lot of added pressure.

I knew 1 kid on these meds and they helped him get a good education, looking back their was at least 20 others who could've had their lives changed for the better with these drugs, instead they left the education system with nothing but a bad rap.

Schools used to be a place discipline was forced upon kids, now they're centered around education and development with the obvious 21st century vibe. I think we ask too much of teachers personally, I couldn't look after 30 teenagers without resorting to a smack or 3. Developing teenagers are nightmares.

a reply to: igloo

I dont like that they are given to children and never got my kids diagnosed despite suspecting they had it. Fortunately, they were mild cases where family and school support can help. I, on the other hand, was so messed up until I took the meds and finally had enough clarity to see what steps of self improvement were needed.

I agree with this 100%. Personally, I've seen where indulgent parenting has led to the ADHD diagnosis/medication-sedation route too many times.
My eldest was/is an indulgent parent; always screaming and threatening, then looking the other way while the kids continue doing whatever the heck they want.
She had her first child on Ritalin by 6/7, and used that example to have her second put on Ritalin at age TWO!

There have always been children with higher than average energy levels; they were really prized on the farm! lol It takes a LOT of personal time and effort to keep a high-energy kid focused on constructive activities; time few parents have to spare. Doping a kid up makes it SO much easier for parents and teachers.

It would be nice if they would physical tests (brain scans) to define the true ADHD suffers and to what degree. some Mental management training might suffice for a lot of ADHD sufferers.

I don't think people have come to realize yet that we've become a drug-dependent society created to feed the medical industry-just another branch of big government.

I'm glad you were able to finally get some relief, igloo.

It isn't simply the classrooms across the country and world... There are millions of adults who take this medication in order to maintain their work and professions. I for one got my meds switched and the substitute meds didn't have the same benefits. I had an incident at work as a result and almost lost my job. Once I saw this thread and some of the replies I felt the need to chime in and speculate; What effect will this have on a grand scale? I don't believe I'm the only one who has had a professional life at risk. Anyone else?

ADHD is a made-up disease to begin with. In my day, Dr. Mom solved this dread condition with three words: "Go Play Outside!"

originally posted by: Seadog64
It isn't simply the classrooms across the country and world... There are millions of adults who take this medication in order to maintain their work and professions. I for one got my meds switched and the substitute meds didn't have the same benefits. I had an incident at work as a result and almost lost my job. Once I saw this thread and some of the replies I felt the need to chime in and speculate; What effect will this have on a grand scale? I don't believe I'm the only one who has had a professional life at risk. Anyone else?

My daughter was diagnosed with ADHD about 1972.

In school she had zero attention span on a one-on-one. They had to also squeeze her hands when talking to her. Once information found the right place in her brain, then she knew it. But getting it there was the problem "detours and roadblocks" of the neuro kind.

I've been fortunate with doctors. Her doc was the opposite of a pill pusher. You do everything else first. A swim team and healthy diet was her savior.

But now as an adult she needs meds for concentration and focus at work.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
So it’s pills or violence in your mind? Explains why you drug your child. I feel bad for them, doesn’t mean I want to take over for you to keep being lazy.

It is remarkable the lack of responsibility you feel for your own child’s poor behavior. Who taught them that? You clearly ascribe to nature VS nurture.


a reply to: Annee

It's always evident when speaking with someone who lacks any real life experience with an ADHD or Autistic child.

"We" are about 2 months into school now and the new special ed team is still making changes to best accommodate both child and teachers.

Must be my lack of responsibility that its taking so long.

Well your assumptions are false, it’s cute you wish to label me. It’s not surprising you think your experience is the only true experience- and that you must be speaking with someone with less value of experience than yourself. You are the problem in the world and a Karen. And no, I won’t take responsibility for your child, not that you are. You are passing that onto the school.

Try supporting a child with a feeding tube with autism before you make assumptions. Many are quick to prescribe drugs in the education system with no medical background to make their day easier. It’s easy for many parents to hear a teacher say something about how their child has a condition and must be medicated, regardless of the well being of the child.

You assume violence is the only recourse when not taking pills. Your school still making changes is evidence of what exactly? Not their competence to accurately assess the situation and make a proper plan for the year. Schools are struggling because every parent thinks their child alone is special and needs more from the school than the other children.

At least we agree you lack responsibility as a starting point.

The teacher and school insist the child be brought before a doctor to receive said prescription. The doctors just sign and get commission from drug companies. It is the school that pushes the drug not the doctor. They suggest the child needs to be medicated and convince the parent the child needs a doctor to give them drugs.

Schools unfortunately are not centered around education- it’s INDOCTRINATION. Our kids continue to perform poorer and poorer. Schools teach socialization, authority structure- history books teach an interpretation of history as fact. Only a basic understanding of math sciences and literature are presented. Catholic schools and military schools were places of harsh discipline. The paddle deserved to be retired, not replaced with a pill, as modern as some may see it.

Violence nor drugs are the answer. It’s clear few understand what it is to be a role model.

a reply to: RAY1990

originally posted by: Seadog64
It isn't simply the classrooms across the country and world... There are millions of adults who take this medication in order to maintain their work and professions. I for one got my meds switched and the substitute meds didn't have the same benefits. I had an incident at work as a result and almost lost my job. Once I saw this thread and some of the replies I felt the need to chime in and speculate; What effect will this have on a grand scale? I don't believe I'm the only one who has had a professional life at risk. Anyone else?

Very few adults take medication for ADHD that were not first prescribed as a child. Drug dependency is indeed a reality and unfortunate. A very real question parents should ask, does this set my child up to succeed further in life? A lifetime of drug dependency that could result in a loss of employment seems like the wrong path.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: igloo

I dont like that they are given to children and never got my kids diagnosed despite suspecting they had it. Fortunately, they were mild cases where family and school support can help. I, on the other hand, was so messed up until I took the meds and finally had enough clarity to see what steps of self improvement were needed.

I agree with this 100%. Personally, I've seen where indulgent parenting has led to the ADHD diagnosis/medication-sedation route too many times.
My eldest was/is an indulgent parent; always screaming and threatening, then looking the other way while the kids continue doing whatever the heck they want.
She had her first child on Ritalin by 6/7, and used that example to have her second put on Ritalin at age TWO!

There have always been children with higher than average energy levels; they were really prized on the farm! lol It takes a LOT of personal time and effort to keep a high-energy kid focused on constructive activities; time few parents have to spare. Doping a kid up makes it SO much easier for parents and teachers.

It would be nice if they would physical tests (brain scans) to define the true ADHD suffers and to what degree. some Mental management training might suffice for a lot of ADHD sufferers.

I don't think people have come to realize yet that we've become a drug-dependent society created to feed the medical industry-just another branch of big government.

I'm glad you were able to finally get some relief, igloo.

Unfortunately this is all too common.

a reply to: ITSALIVE

My daughter was diagnosed ADHD -- about 1972. No meds.

My other daughter undiagnosed high functioning Autism (who even heard of it the early 70's).

Been raising her son since birth -- high functioning Autism, OCD, ADD.

No meds until he was 14. High school anxiety.

But, NO -- I didn't have to do a feeding tube.

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So, you've never been told "all your kid needs is a good spanking" -- and then they'd behave?

Lucky you.