NEWS: Former Russian Spy Chief Assassinated.

Colonel-General Anatoly Trofimov and his wife were assassinated Sunday. The attack occurred as his vehicle was travelling through a neighborhood north of the Russian capital, Moscow. Col-Gen Trofimov was deputy chief of the FSB during the Yeltsin administration. The FSB is the main agency, following the breaking up of the KGB.



Who really knows why this person was silenced?. Todays Russia is rife with mobsters who will stop at nothing to consolidate further power. Also, i believe the Putin administration are releasing information to 'squads' to take care of persons who know too much. One has to remember that Col-Gen Trofimov was opposed to the appointment of Putin to as head of the FSB before Putin became the Russian president. Col-Gen Trofimov was also against the Chechen offensive.

[edit on 12-4-2005 by sanctum]

To me, an American, the former Soviet Union looks totally lawless right now. Last year we had the murder of journalist Paul Kelbnikov and the attempted poisoning of Victor Yushenko. This year we've seen the accidental death of the Georgian Prime Minister and the "suicide" of former Ukrainian interior minister Yuri Kravchenko, and now this. I must say I'm more than a little worried that the rule of law is virtually nonexistant in a country with over ten thousand nuclear warheads. I also wonder to what degree the KGB really broke up.

Originally posted by GunsliNgeR
I also wonder to what degree the KGB really broke up.

0 deg, only changed names, much like the OSS did when they became CIA.

Trofimov wasn't perfect, but in my opinion he was more a man of the people than the others. Chechnya should be left alone and I agree, let them have the land. I'm not even going to start on Putin, you can ask some of the Russian members around here about that.

Originally posted by ADVISOR
Chechnya should be left alone and I agree, let them have the land.

Well after the Chechens ethnic-cleansed out the Russians, there is no other way, is there.

Seriously, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Left alone, it will always be a pocket of radical Wahhabism right next to Russia. Jeez.

I'm not even going to start on Putin, you can ask some of the Russian members around here about that.

Would be interesting what they think.

Originally posted by ADVISOR
Trofimov wasn't perfect, but in my opinion he was more a man of the people than the others. Chechnya should be left alone and I agree, let them have the land. I'm not even going to start on Putin, you can ask some of the Russian members around here about that.

What exactly do we think about Putin, and what do you expect us to say???
And Chechnya is Russian, and so will remain.

Detroit to visitors go home or else

Originally posted by khruschev

Originally posted by ADVISOR
Trofimov wasn't perfect, but in my opinion he was more a man of the people than the others. Chechnya should be left alone and I agree, let them have the land. I'm not even going to start on Putin, you can ask some of the Russian members around here about that.

What exactly do we think about Putin, and what do you expect us to say???
And Chechnya is Russian, and so will remain.

Why is your back up? He deferred comment to our Russian members. I assume you are expected to say what you think.

Originally posted by deevee
Why is your back up? He deferred comment to our Russian members. I assume you are expected to say what you think.

No, but the point is that "ADVISOR" thinks that he knows what we think... So in that case, I would like to hear from him, what exactly do I think, at least according to him...

Originally posted by khruschevNo, but the point is that "ADVISOR" thinks that he knows what we think... So in that case, I would like to hear from him, what exactly do I think, at least according to him...

khruschev, you have posed a question without parameters. Could you be a bit more specific, as to the topic.

Sanc'.

Yes I can... I hate when someone thinks he/she knows everything others think... And most likely based on one or two opinions from some people form a opinion about someone...

Originally posted by khruschev
Yes I can... I hate when someone thinks he/she knows everything others think... And most likely based on one or two opinions from some people form a opinion about someone...

Well, I gotta go with................

Could you be a LITTLE more specific?

Re-read the topic from the beggining and try to understand... If you can't then my explanation won't help either.

As for what I know as to others thinking, it is due to first hand encounter/s.
You Russians from what I have thus far seen, are very proud and in a sence, thrilled to have Putin leading your country. Nupa Ruskie?

Unlike we Americans, we are not proud of our leader. Nor is he any thing comparable to Putin. Putin is a hard man, right now dispite my personal opinion of him and all those from "his day" in the "Cold War", will find nothing exept disdain from me.

Did not claim, to "know" what others think, I do claim to know how a few Russians on this site do think on matters. That is because I had the opportunity to converse with them. This is obviously our first encounter.

I hate when people think they know some thing, about some one they don't even know, too. I did defur that question to any Ruskies willing to jump in. Glad you did, was starting to worry about the site population, nothing big, just research stuff.


Ok comrade Khruschev, if it is ok I call you that. The other Russian members here have used that term with me, being the American I am, probably unusual considering I was raised by those who remember the cold war.

Well Tovarish Advisor,
In that case we have a misunderstanding here, and I therefore would appologise for attacking you immediately.
As to the topic, yes, we do like Putin, since since thanks to him our country is now moving forward. More money is given to the armed forces, new equipment is being bought.
As for my opinion about Bush, he is a very good president. And at least he continues the global war on terrorism unlike Kerry would do. You must also face the fact that Democrats are much more pacifists unlike the Republicans who are more into fighting the terrorists. You must also know that we in Russia including Vladimir V. Putin support Bush.
I would also like to hear what those Russians think.
Wait, are you saying you don't remember the "Cold War"?

To me, it seems that over the passing year Russia under Putin is going backwards. I am however, a novice on Eastern Europe. Political Assassinations seems like the wrong move for Putin to use as a unifying tool. I felt the same way about the highly publicized appointment methodology he is using for regional control. I want Russia to grow up into an awesome social democracy and not the home of world criminals and tyrants. If this was a sanctioned assassination it would seem the government is just playing mob games.

Originally posted by khruschev
Wait, are you saying you don't remember the "Cold War"?

Not first hand, no.

As for Bush being "a very good president", you are entitled to your opinion.
The nations employment rate is heading towards an all time low. Only a depression will make it worse, but not much. The presidents stance on terorism, is the only thing he has going for him, other than his father. Who is comparable to your Putin, career wise.

Just the other day Monday April 5th, Bush made America look even more weak by speaking with the Saudi leader, about relief from record oil prices.
Of course that is my opinion.

Bush is at least trying to do something to improve the situation in your country... And unlike Kerry he is much better for establishing warm relations with common goals between our two countries, since that is the only way to ensure stability on the world scene. Putin and Bush have some although not all common goals, and listen to each others advice, and also respect each other. This is a very important factor not to be neglected.