The Lake of Fire - Tophet - is Reincarnation

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
I don't debate atheist.
It is a waste of time.

P.S. Determined said you were a pastor. You see what you want to see due to your spiritual blindness.

a reply to: UncleMikey

I am not an Atheist; I am a Christian.

The fact that you are attempting to mischaracterize me like that really shows what Spirit you are. Shame on you.

Deetermined said I was a former Pastor. Do you want to know why?

It is because DEETERMINED IS A LIAR, and you fell for it. Got it?

You and her both are letting your emotions overrule facts, and you have the audacity to claim that I am the one spiritually blind?

The bottom line is *WHO CARES* whether someone is, or was, a Pastor.

Can you debate Scripture vs. Scripture? So far, all you have posted are character attacks and ad hominem.

Learn how to debate, otherwise your posts are ignorant.

originally posted by: glend
I agree with you UncleMikey. However the concept of reincarnation is often misunderstood. Body and mind is forever destined to the lake of fire (Genesis 3:19 dust to dust). Its our soul that takes on a new body and mind to experience whatever more it needs to experience. So if we see ourselves as body and mind. The "me" dies never to experience life again. Its the eye of God, our soul, that exists for all eternity.

The eye of God, our soul, can be directly experienced. It is totally foreign to our experiences with our body and mind. It has a far more subtle consciousness. More touch feely, than the logic processing of our mind. Its certainly full of love. Seeing everything in a love that the mind could never fathom.

Hi @glend. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I will offer my interpretation of what the Bible teaches.

We are Tripartite Beings...

*) Body (Flesh)
*) Soul (Genome)
*) Spirit (Energy/Mind/Consciousness)

When the Body of flesh passes away, what is left over is the Genetic Information required to recreate the Body. Said Genome is what the Bible calls the 'Soul' as well as the 'Word of God'...

John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

In addition, the Spirit is also left over. The Spirit is the Energy and Consciousness that quickens (powers) the Genome.

The 'Eye' of God is what we call 'Electrons'...



The Light (Electromagnetism/Spirit) of the Body is the Eye...

Matthew 6:22
"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."

The Book of Ezekiel is describing Quantum Mechanics and Particle Physics.

As we can already see by the hateful posts in this thread, the end result of an 'infinite torment' false teaching is that it creates an overabundance of anger, narcissism, arrogance, pride, hate, intolerance and resentment in most Christians.

The crucial teachings of Love and Mercy no longer exist in their Hearts. The entire World sees it now. It is no longer hidden.

All Satan has to do is sit back and watch Christians destroy themselves over their wicked Dogma.

Satan laughs.

a reply to: UncleMikey

Not correct, the God of the Christian and pre-Expulsion jews the SAME God they they by design did NOT accept Jesus as the messiah until he fulfils the rest of the Prophecy they are awaiting on his second coming (which by the way is NOT a reincarnation but literally returning from heaven).

He does not torment the greatest torment is to be separated from God and the greatest joy is to be returned to his presence.

The Lake of fire the Second death is very real and is NOT reincarnation.

There ARE possible nods to reincarnation throughout the bible such as who was John the Baptist whom Christ called the greatest man that ever lived, he was acknowledged even by the rabbi's as a prophet and it he whom made straight the path for the lord, he whom prepared the way for Christ and for that very reason he was sent to this earth just for that purpose.

And it is CHRIST alone that prepares the way for us to Salvation, indeed he IS THE WAY, the LIFE and the RESURRECTION.

He also said that in the resurrection there is no difference between a man and a woman and they shall neither be given nor taken in marriage for the things of this world are passed away AND that it is given for a man to be born ONCE then to die then the Resurrection and he said that in the Resurrection he will give us a NEW BODY a celestial (Heavenly spiritual) body like the Angels have not corruptible like the flesh of this earth.

Some are Resurrected unto eternal life and others unto eternal death, living death separated from God some in a place known as the outer darkness and others like the Devil and the entire kingdom of the beast in the lake of fire which is known as the SECOND DEATH were they will be tormented day and night for eternity and there worm shall know no rest.

This is not transmigration, not reincarnation etc.

Now some sects of Jews were open to the idea of Resurrection but traditionally it is NOT a Jewish belief, in fact the ancient Jews so strongly believed in the resurrection that they even tried to bury the blood or bloody soil with there fallen believing that one day the lord would raise them back up.

The Valley of Dry Bones is not just an allegorical tale but a real prophecy, bones that are actually nothing but dust some perhaps even cremated called by the prophet by the word of God to come back together for flesh to come back upon them and for the wind to blow the breath and spirit of life back into them before he was shown and exceedingly great host of people that being every singly descendant of Jacob all gathered together for resurrection.

Some cases of resurrection MAY be real, one vision of the ladder to heaven mentioned the ANGELS of God - not the souls of men - coming into the earth and going back up from it to heaven going about God's work in the world, were these angels being born, are all men just that men or are some actually angels unknown even to themselves?.

Some cling to reincarnation thinking that it is there hope and they can try out another thing next time around, they are mistaken.

Look at the Hindu's it took the British to stop them burning widows but because they believe in reincarnation they have created caste systems to keep those they regard as less human down, regard woman as inferior and worse.

The Buddhists are likewise trapped in an almost narcissistic belief and strive to reach a state of nirvana that as best I can tell is non existence which they equate with peace.

ONLY Christ is the way the Life and the Resurrection.

Not esoteric texts written long after the expulsion from the holy land by men many of whom had a not entirely unjustified axe to grind with supposed Christians that acted like anything but and constantly persecuted them, Christians that were whipped up by men that did not understand the new testament at all and hated the Jews because of the Crucifixion, a Crucifixion without which they themselves would not have had the chance to be saved or that the Jews are still Christs flock even if he has others as well and so they should not have been persecuting there brothers but looking forward to the day that Christ brings them back into the fold.

a reply to: UncleMikey

Who's the one with the lying spirit, Mike? If you really believed what you preach, why are you hiding your identity? Are you afraid your congregants would turn on you if they heard you preaching this stuff? You didn't get your avatar name from an old cartoon. You got it from a series of videos that preach this exact topic and you posted them here on ATS. You were stupid enough to post a website address that goes by your full name in those videos and that website shows your connection to a church in my state.

I've already posted all of the scriptures showing what Tophet and the Lake of Fire is. I'll let them speak for themselves here.

However, I will close with this...

You want to use verses in Revelation that talk about "the one who was, is not, and yet will be" to describe reincarnation, but the Bible also uses these exact same words to describe Jesus and His return to earth, but we already know from scripture that He will be doing it in His incorruptible RESURRECTED body, not a reincarnated one of flesh. There is no spiritual purpose for people to keep reincarnating into corrupted flesh, as it will always remain corrupted. There is no purification process for the human body...only our souls. Our souls will be resurrected one time into an incorruptible body just like it says in 1 Corinthians 15. After resurrection, we will be judged by what's written in the Book of Life and we will either go to heaven or CAST into the Lake of Fire, not "pass through" as I have already shown you in scripture.