This is Israel's 911 BS

a reply to: Mantiss2021

Eclipse Oct 14 over US
Small pox released on US - maybe in schools on 10/24
Devastation ahead

Eclipse April 8 - Mexico, US and Canada
We're in for a bad time

Roaming bands of migrants

Be well

Still, nothing compares to Jan 6th and how close we came to having that horn-hatted shaman as our leader.

a reply to: RKWWWW

Yeah. We all would be tripping on the same tap watered coffee right now, as required by law, not just half of us.

A real shame, man!

a reply to: BeTheGoddess

Seriously, you know exactly what they meant. FK this BS and FK Palestinians. They cut off heads of babies and raped women and children. Slaughtered ppl in their beds.

You know the reference was to a terrorist attack on civilians, period

originally posted by: RKWWWW
Still, nothing compares to Jan 6th and how close we came to having that horn-hatted shaman as our leader.

You mean the shaman that police escorted throughout the capitol building and was then given a photo op? Yeah, such a scary moment for democracy 🙄

a reply to: Cymatic

Yeah, such a scary moment for democracy 🙄

Irony is so rare nowadays, kinda scary. A real shameman!

originally posted by: BeTheGoddess
So I'm sure you're all aware about whats going on re: Gaza v Israel, well I just heard some Israeli on TV stating "this is Israel's 911"--like really.

So is he saying that this rocket attack by Hamas was actually a CIA operation?, Direct energy weapons?, the rockets are fake and are just holograms?, or is he insisting the OS and it was 19 Saudis with box cutters?.

Really, how pathetic is it to say "this is Israel's 911". We all know 911 is a joke, so why bring it up--unless of course he is admitting it was a false flag.

I know you are just posting your random thoughts. But someone must tell you, that your randomly posted thoughts are disgusting.

3,000 Americans died on 9/11. Thousands were innocently slaughtered in Israel.
This is not some childish issue for you to bandy about some childish conspiracy theory.

There is merit in calling this the 9/11 of Israel. It was a colossal intelligence failure. It was an attempt at mass destruction on helpless civilians by an absolutely evil ideology, in both cases.

I have always said that the fringe right and the fringe left are interchangeable, swappable, and essentially the same. And while I could say thank you for continuing to prove me right, I really want you to STFU. Dumb crazy people do not need a sounding board. Idiocy is contagious. That is the conundrum of the internet. If you said this in public, everyone would tell you to STFU and how big an idiot you were, and maybe worse.

Might want a deep look at your surroundings brother. a reply to: FingerMan

It's true though, this is Israel's 9-11.

More people died per capita.

The real reason though is because there is deception within the Israeli government.

Check this out if you don't believe me....

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: hjesterium
A lot of self-loathing going around these days. I wonder if it is a virtue to realize it and recognize it for what it is?

As for me; I had to get psychological help after 9-11, once the bombs started dropping on Afghans for something Saudis did. There was a fair bit of survivor's guilt mixed in there as well, like "Why the hell am I so special that I get to live?"

"Evil evil Iran, supports terrorists in other countries" they say. But let's not look at Israel and U.S. supporting terrorist groups operating in Iran.

1) I do believe it may be considered a virtue, provided they don't let it drive their behavior and actions destructively AND that they put in the effort to do something about their mental health. I've met German users who were so shamed by their past, they recognize much of their past in modern Russia and develop an obsessive anti-Russian mania.

As a self-loathing American, I'm inclined to transfer my contempt for the country's politics/government to the American people and often entertain the idea that we don't deserve to live in this world. But then I remind myself that this country used to stand for something great, that its great men made sacrifices for its future. Why denigrate everything about its past?

2) Is it true that people suffering from PTSD are constantly alerted to threats? Can't say I know what it's like to suffer from survivor's guilt.

3) Yeah, I noticed a reluctance to indict both sides, such as during the Ukraine conflict. They may say things like, "America has its share of crimes, but Russia is worse!" Or "what matters is what's happening now, not what happened in the past." It's typical for these people to defend their nation's devilry by taking the moral high ground.

One user admitted that the US was probably involved in Nord Stream and supported the Maidan. But cited the fact that Russia invaded Crimea & Ukraine as a reason to blame only Russia, dismissing the NATO build-up on Russia's borders like it was nothing. They only judge by external facts (Russia was the aggressor, Russia started it) and humanitarian considerations, not from the motives. Disregarding ideology, geopolitical interests, the long game.
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They're usually either Social Democrats or Socialists (neither are principled revolutionaries like communists). They try to draw a moral equivalence between fascism, nazism, communism, without distinction. They think democratically: "you think I'm bad, everyone else is worse", or "there's nobody above me, we're all the same".

What's plaguing this world isn't really differences over views or identity politics. Didn't the Founding Fathers have heated debates and disagreements over issues? Didn't it stimulate them to put forward their views more strongly? But in the end, they still came together as a nation.

Rather, it's systematic moral poisoning, rampant cynicism, refusal to assume responsibility, an unwillingness to cooperate, unwillingness to be wholly good or bad. The world is being overrun by intolerant moralists who view it as their duty to judge and condemn, they only want to be proven right.

Case in point:

a reply to: FingerMan

From my experience, the far-left conducts itself better than the far-right, insofar as they're not behaving like Antifa or terrorist groups. The far-right do nothing productive for society. Fascists &Alt-Right are more concerned with making their ideology acceptable to the public, they continually adapt their ideas to circumstances (mollusk-like soliciting). A friend pointed out that they just put up fliers and pat themselves on the back, but they don't ask people to do anything. They're unwilling to make sacrifices. I think they just idolize strong/competent leaders, are driven in part by nostalgia and boredom.

Whereas Communists are feverishly occupied with how to overthrow capitalism, right injustices, make amends for their predecessors' mistakes, sacrificing their normal lives for a cause they believe in, even if it may be a wrong one (and not updated for the times, plus it shows a tendency towards division and pure destructiveness). They too need to put their struggle in an apocalyptic setting to stay on course. Both sides seem to believe organizing is the best political solution, but that's where the similarities end.

a reply to: hjesterium

2) Is it true that people suffering from PTSD are constantly alerted to threats? Can't say I know what it's like to suffer from survivor's guilt.

I'm actually a veteran of eight years service, including much Top Secret stuff. So I'll be vague here. One day a President sent me on a mission to commit acts of war on a country we were not at war with. It was not a short mission but I only remember about 3 days of it. A serious hole in my memory, like I must have just been blanking it out in a psychologically defensive way.

It took another couple of years for it to really hit me, then I got out, like "I didn't sign up for this."

When the Branch Davidians (of whom I had met some) were under siege with ATCs flying U.S. flags, broke me pretty bad. 9-11 wasn't just survivor's guilt, there was very much envy of the dead mixed in there. I don't even know if there's a term for that.

I wrote a little thing once. Survivor's Guilt

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: hjesterium
I'm actually a veteran of eight years service, including much Top Secret stuff.

A sense of knowing more than anyone, but being unable to convey it to people without coming off as crazy. You know what that's like?

originally posted by: pthena
So I'll be vague here. One day a President sent me on a mission to commit acts of war on a country we were not at war with.

Your story reminds me of something I read in Dannion Brinkley's book:

"On one occasion, for example, I was sent to a country to assassinate a government official who did not share the “American point of view.” I went in with a team. Our goal was to eliminate this man at a small rural hotel where he was staying. This would make the unspoken statement that no one was out of reach of the United States government."

He claims to have blown up a hotel with fifty innocent people as collateral damage and boasted about it to his control officer, declaring that all the people deserved to die because they were guilty of association. But people have accused him of lying about his military career, falsifying his service records. www.latimes.com...

originally posted by: pthena
It was not a short mission but I only remember about 3 days of it. A serious hole in my memory, like I must have just been blanking it out in a psychologically defensive way.

I can't even imagine what that's like!

I have gaps in my memory pertaining to my childhood/teen days, except I remember traumatic memories, deep regrets, humiliating moments quite vividly. Instead, I seem to have largely repressed the happier times. In my case, trauma is what has carried me so far, but it doesn't affect me emotionally anymore unless I give way to it.

originally posted by: pthena
It took another couple of years for it to really hit me, then I got out, like "I didn't sign up for this."

I read a post exactly like this here: old.reddit.com...

"Every problem is met with mass punishment and any attempt to stand out as the motivated and determined Marine is ignored. The whole institution just feels broken. Another thing I realized is that I'm no hero nor a protector. I'm not fighting for my country or my people, I'm part of an institution that enforces the status quo, not help those who are oppressed."

Also, an American ex-soldier shared this testimony with me:

"I do understand the geopolitical game that everyone plays, but the zeal with which US military personnel could commit murders was alarming. Lots of people in that organization had “drank the Kool-Aide,” so to speak. Any dissenting opinions were likely to be viciously squashed and the purveyors of such opinions quickly ostracized and eventually cast out of the organization."

On US military command: "They even seriously discuss the possibility of a limited nuclear exchange, as if they can dial a war up or down as it benefits them. They’re in a bubble within an echo chamber that’s within a larger bubble that’s isolated from the rest of the world... It’s a fantasy because they don’t want to admit that all of global civilization is at a turning point. They’ll start any number of conflicts to perpetuate status-quo as long as possible."

Incidentally, both soldiers were considering a teaching occupation. What about you?

originally posted by: pthena
I wrote a little thing once.

Seems profound. I might add more later.

Is it??

a reply to: Mantiss2021 I get three minute safety warnings ahead for myself, twenty four hours for family announcement of situations. How it happens I will just feel as if doom were coming, or a statement actually pops into my head. For this situation I feel nothing. The Middle East people have been doing this crap to one another since the 1960s, as far back as I can remember. It’s time for everyone over there to grow up and love one another. Be kind and get along. ♥️ I worry more about our boarder crisis and our own safety.

a reply to: hjesterium

unable to convey it to people without coming off as crazy. You know what that's like?
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Dannion Brinkley's book:

Well, I suppose if I suddenly remember missing things I will refrain from writing a book about it.

Instead, I seem to have largely repressed the happier times.

Fortunately, I remember happy things, neutral things, and annoying things pretty well. Stuff that other people do is other people doing it. Nothing I need feel guilty about. I am responsible for what I do or say. It's the mutual agreement I have with reality, like "you do you, I'll do me." Collective guilt can drag you down pretty quick.

Another thing I realized is that I'm no hero nor a protector.

That takes a long time to realize.

both soldiers were considering a teaching occupation. What about you?

Did some pro-bono teaching until I realized people were already better off without my teaching. Some Math tutoring. Went to mostly trades associated with building, alarms, tile. Then taking care of dying people until burn out from that, then certified automotive lube technician, house painting.

Now I'm retired, useless eater. Revenge on the system!!!

Both were/are strictly old world order (OWO) jobs that at least effectively, if not expressly, are distractions from the Disclosure movement. The overall Abrahamic cult (of all three religions) is getting desperate, or even more so, again.

a reply to: BeTheGoddess

I'm not sure what to believe anymore. I know I am against getting involved in foreign wars and obviously I don't want to see innocent civilians being killed.

Do any of ya'll remember the Kuwait incubator lie from the 90s? The now known false testimony of a 15 year old girl pulled on the heart strings and created such an emotional response that many instantly got behind going to war.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: hjesterium

I can't even imagine what that's like!

I just thought of an analogy:

You know how every story or movie is narrated in such a way that the "good guys" are very easily seen as opposed to "the bad guys".

So there you are doing your job, then you stop, look around and realize "I'm the bad guy here!"

That's what it's like.

a reply to: AmberEnergy

Do any of ya'll remember the Kuwait incubator lie from the 90s?

Yes. The "decapitated babies" sort of has the same feel to it.

One of those things we might have to wait and see, if the truth ever comes out.

From yesterday: "People say. Not confirmed." Rumors basically.
idf-says-hamas-decapitated-babies-in-israel-2023-10

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Degradation33

Personally, I can't root for anybody. I've never been a Zionist.
Nakba should not have happened. Truman should not have recognized Israel independence in violation of U.N. Charter and Geneva Conventions against acquiring territory through war. But those things happened.

Why didn't the U.S. recognize Palestine independence in 198?. Most countries in U.N. did. But I guess U.S. has sole decision on who is or isn't a country?

Wouldn't put it past the f&%$^ Saudis to out of one side of their mouth talk peace, and then go arm Hamas out the other.

911 topic. Osama bin Laden didn't really give a # about Palestine, he was really pissed off that the royal family allowed infidel boots on holy ground during Persian Gulf War. Couldn't hit the royals so took it out on U.S.

In the same way, Saudis don't give a # about Palestine either, just a fake virtue signaling. If Saudis armed Hamas the blame would go to Iran. They know this. Closer U.S. ties to Saudis against common U.S./Israel/Saudi foe.

Suddenly now after the unexpected attack, "there is proof that Iran trained Hamas"? Yeah, like Hussein's WMDs.

I'm just speculating based on my own prejudices though, got no inside scoop on any of it.

Said don't care about Palestine. They care about Jerusalem.