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New $4B Panasonic electric vehicle (EV) battery factory in Kansas requires so much power that the facility will need its own COAL plant to run

A coal-fired power plant in Kansas that was slated for closure will remain open after all to provide needed power for, wait for it: a new electric vehicle (EV) battery factory producing "clean" energy storage products.

In accordance with the Biden regime's ongoing efforts to force all Americans into an EV, Panasonic has built a $4 billion EV battery factory in the small Kansas City exurb of De Soto.

Local media reports state that the factory will require anywhere from 200 to 250 megawatts of electricity to function. This is roughly the amount of power needed to keep the lights on in a small city.

On track to receive a whopping $6.8 billion from fake president Joe Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, Panasonic is proving once again that in order to create "clean" energy, you have to burn a lot of "dirty" energy, rendering it a pointless endeavor.

Not much discussion is made about how 'clean' this type of 'green' energy is. Imagine you need to keep the coal-fired power plant open so to produce the enormous amounts of energy needed to power the EV battery factory when at the same time the amount of gas emissions and the environmental impacts are much higher than continue building and using (traditional) gas powered vehicles.



From the article

As we have been telling you, there is nothing "clean" about producing "green" energy products like EV batteries. In fact, it actually takes a much greater toll on the environment to produce EV batteries and other EV components than it does to continue building and using traditional gas-powered vehicles.

"A 15-pound lithium-ion battery holds about the same amount of energy as a pound of oil. To make that battery requires 7,000 pounds of rock and dirt to get the minerals that go into that battery," reports Cowboy State Daily. "The average EV battery weighs around 1,000 pounds."

"All of that mining and factory processing produces a lot more carbon dioxide emissions than a gas-powered car, so EVs have to be driven around 50,000 to 60,000 miles before there's a net reduction in carbon dioxide emissions

Anyone else for green energy?
I don't know whether Dr Thunberg agrees or disagrees with using coal-fired power plants to support the energy needed to produce these green products.

If coal isn't the most 'healthy' option they can use marmalade, nutella, or peanut butter.

a reply to: Muldar

I don't know whether Dr Thunberg agrees or disagrees with using coal-fired power plants to support the energy needed to produce these green products.

Everybody in a panic over climate change and supporting the global warming official agenda is just being willfully ignorant, or too lazy to do some research and see what devastation their support has and is going to cause.

a reply to: Muldar



When is everyone going to see that the push for “Green” energy is a complete and total failure, especially when it comes to electric vehicles.

Climate change mental illness numbers are quickly closing in on Liberal mental illness numbers, pretty soon they will be even.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Muldar

I don't know whether Dr Thunberg agrees or disagrees with using coal-fired power plants to support the energy needed to produce these green products.

Everybody in a panic over climate change and supporting the global warming official agenda is just being willfully ignorant, or too lazy to do some research and see what devastation their support has and is going to cause.

My favourite scientist.
Too bad we didn't have people like her when I was in College. We would have been enlightened in a unique way.

a reply to: nugget1

Dr. Weather Potato.

Remember they decided paper was bad for the environment and made us all use plastic instead

How's that working out

a reply to: markovian

What's really funny about that is grocery stores not using plastic bags while just about every single thing in the grocery store comes in plastic packaging.

Paper straws in plastic wrappers.

Cars are almost 50% plastic today...

a reply to: watchitburn

A few years ago I discovered that a lot of the vehicle plastics are made from soy products (polyols). First time I came across a plastic container made from soy I was stunned, amazed and flabbergasted.

Save the world!!

Just as one of my friends said: Thanks, but the world doesn't need to be saved. It was saved 2023 years ago.

while yes the power plant will be revived, its going to be converted into a solar power plant, its not gonna use coal. this is blatant misinformation to mislead the public and turn them against green technology, like they have always done for many decades.

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a reply to: namehere

That is nice. All of the strip mining involved and contaminating the land with heavy metals form the deteriorating solar panels. Solar panels are not green except in very small installations that are usually portable. They also have problems recycling them on any scale.

originally posted by: namehere
while yes the power plant will be revived, its going to be converted into a solar power plant, its not gonna use coal. this is blatant misinformation to mislead the public and turn them against green technology, like they have always done for many decades.

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You're not correct and your article is from August 2022. There might have been other plans at that time but it doesn't seem they have been followed.

Here is the same story from another source (other sources are available if you take a look)

thenewamerican.com...


Kansas EV Battery Plant Will Extend the Life of a Coal Plant, Delay Switch to Natural Gas

Proving that fossil fuels are still necessary in this brave new world of renewable energy, a Kansas plant dedicated to producing electric vehicle batteries will require power from a coal plant for the next few years. The new Panasonic lithium-ion battery manufacturing facility in De Soto, Kansas, will require between 200-250 megawatt hours of energy in order to operate — roughly the equivalent energy needs of a small city.

You said

this is blatant misinformation to mislead the public and turn them against green technology, like they have always done for many decades.

It's you who provided outdated news and misinformation.

a reply to: billxam

And what difference exactly does the soy plastic make? Regular plastic is not made from oil, it is made from natural gas. You had rather make it from food or on land that once made food?

That is the problem with alcohol in the gasoline. Food prices increased because a percentage of the corn went to making alcohol. Also the reduction in gasoline use by adding alcohol is offset by lower mileage in the engines. No gane at all. They still burn the same amount of gasoline but with corn alcohol added.

But now the farmers won't allow us to go back green by eliminating the alcohol because they get paid more. They won't allow Congress to stop the alcohol. Just another government program that doesn't work.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge2
a reply to: namehere

That is nice. All of the strip mining involved and contaminating the land with heavy metals form the deteriorating solar panels. Solar panels are not green except in very small installations that are usually portable. They also have problems recycling them on any scale.

that's just an unrelated point thrown in there that has nothing to do with that power plant or factory, just thrown in to trigger an emotional response, making you think there's hypocrisy where there is none.

originally posted by: namehere

originally posted by: beyondknowledge2
a reply to: namehere

That is nice. All of the strip mining involved and contaminating the land with heavy metals form the deteriorating solar panels. Solar panels are not green except in very small installations that are usually portable. They also have problems recycling them on any scale.

that's just an unrelated point thrown in there that has nothing to do with that power plant or factory, just thrown in to trigger an emotional response, making you think there's hypocrisy where there is none.

You forgot that you accused the OP for misinformation providing news from an article that dates back to August 2022 but you were wrong

Kansas EV Battery Plant Will Extend the Life of a Coal Plant, Delay Switch to Natural Gas

I have given you two sources that are very recent. Actually one of them dates back to the 30th of September 2023 (yesterday)

Instead of throwing random accusations try to create a meaningful thread because the last time you created a thread was back in 2018.

a reply to: beyondknowledge2

Solar panels are not green except in very small installations that are usually portable.

Untrue, the more you scale them, the less inverters you need because you can use big ones (energy density). A standard solar panel needs 2.7 years to bring back the energy to produce it and the degradation is by far not what was expected, it is a lot lower. While I think nuclear is still the best option, the Uranium needs to be mined. Coal needs to be minded, too. And a PV panel can be almost completely recycled.

They also have problems recycling them on any scale.

Untrue, the technology is now there to recycle them almost completely directly on site even. 95% of the panel can be recycled.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: beyondknowledge2

Solar panels are not green except in very small installations that are usually portable.

Untrue, the more you scale them, the less inverters you need because you can use big ones (energy density). A standard solar panel needs 2.7 years to bring back the energy to produce it and the degradation is by far not what was expected, it is a lot lower. While I think nuclear is still the best option, the Uranium needs to be mined. Coal needs to be minded, too. And a PV panel can be almost completely recycled.

They also have problems recycling them on any scale.

Untrue, the technology is now there to recycle them almost completely directly on site even. 95% of the panel can be recycled.

95% of the panel is the aluminum frame. What about the photo voltaic cells themselves? Are they recycled or just landfilled.?

a reply to: beyondknowledge2
Are you just misinformed or doing active disinformation?

95% of the panel is the aluminum frame.

Untrue. So untrue.

Per ton:
650-725kg glass
125-200kg aluminium
60-110kg plastic
30-40kg silicone
0,5-1kg silver

What about the photo voltaic cells themselves? Are they recycled or just landfilled.?

They are recycled.

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And it get's even better. They now have a deployable machine that can do that on site. You put the panel on the conveyor, back out comes the recycled stuff, seperated.

originally posted by: namehere

originally posted by: beyondknowledge2
a reply to: namehere

That is nice. All of the strip mining involved and contaminating the land with heavy metals form the deteriorating solar panels. Solar panels are not green except in very small installations that are usually portable. They also have problems recycling them on any scale.

that's just an unrelated point thrown in there that has nothing to do with that power plant or factory, just thrown in to trigger an emotional response, making you think there's hypocrisy where there is none.

and the part about you being totally wrong? What of that?

a reply to: beyondknowledge2

I work for a solar panel manufacturer. 100% of our panels are recycled. We have free return shipping on all panels out in the field so nothing goes to waste. Our panels have a guaranteed 25 year life span.