Rumble could be banned in the UK under new online safety laws

a reply to: quintessentone

The post has been cut out and not by me..

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

"I don't have to give any examples."

Would be nice if you could?

"It looks like there is no much confidence in Ofcom being independent."

Based on the opinion of another poster?

Weak sauce..

The opinion of a poster is better than the assertions by other posters linking the website of Ofcom as proof they're independent.

You are missing the most important fact, the audience complaints drive what is acceptable or unacceptable and whether standards/guidelines change or do not change - not whether the agency is independent or not.

And you don't live in the real world or are 12.
You claimed to be a security guard. You have standards to follow or you will loose your job, the same can be said for big companies and more so for public organisations.
The general public steering Ofcom and it's decisions makes them independent.

You are responding to the wrong member, recheck who you should have replied to.

He is a little confused and distressed because he can't handle the argument.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

"I don't have to give any examples."

Would be nice if you could?

"It looks like there is no much confidence in Ofcom being independent."

Based on the opinion of another poster?

Weak sauce..

The opinion of a poster is better than the assertions by other posters linking the website of Ofcom as proof they're independent.

You are missing the most important fact, the audience complaints drive what is acceptable or unacceptable and whether standards/guidelines change or do not change - not whether the agency is independent or not.

And you don't live in the real world or are 12.
You claimed to be a security guard. You have standards to follow or you will loose your job, the same can be said for big companies and more so for public organisations.
The general public steering Ofcom and it's decisions makes them independent.

You're confused.
Is quintissentone a security guard??
I am not either.

But burden of proof is on the Ofcom apologists not me.

Haha

Easy mistake to make when one is responding to multiple members at the same time.

a reply to: Muldar

Proof that Ofcom is accountable to the UK Parliament?

That's not an assertion but fact of the matter ""asmodeus"".

The accountability of Ofcom to the UK Parliament is outlined in the Communications Act 2003.

They are obligated by duty to report to parliament, have appointment board members, and are accountable to the Secretary of State.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Muldar

Ofcom(Office of Communications) in the UK, is an independent regulatory authority for the communications industry.

Established by the UK government under the Communications Act 2003 which became fully operational in 2004.

The authority is responsible for regulating and overseeing various aspects of our communications sector, including telecommunications, broadcasting, radio, and even postal services.

Ofcom is accountable to the UK Parliament, same people responsible for its creation and the agency plays a significant role in shaping and enforcing regulations that govern the communications landscape in the UK.

Ofcom(Office of Communications) in the UK, is an independent regulatory authority for the communications industry.

Big assertion

We need proof please

What matters is what the audience thinks because they are the driving force for standards and regulations imposed.

a reply to: Muldar

This was the post I responded to, which Muldar quoted Member Quintessentone in

a reply to: Muldar

He is a little confused and distressed because he can't handle the argument.

And if you check with editing, your post looks like it has done the same thing. Cut out half the reply.
But if it makes you feel more manly trying to infer Im distressed then knock yourself out!!

originally posted by: quintessentone

What matters is what the audience thinks because they are the driving force for standards and regulations imposed.

Agencies like these love vague terms like "driving force". Exactly what does that mean?

It means there is a complaint form - that's it.

That's all it means. There is no vote. They still get the final say on who to go after and what the sanction will be.

a reply to: Daughter2

How else do you regulate things?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Daughter2

How else do you regulate things?

Exactly, from data and/or input from the audience.

Let's take the show "Naked Education"

For those of you not aware, this is where grown adults stand naked in front of children.
In the US, this might get you thrown in jail.

Ofcom received numerous complaints.
Clearly, the public was outraged by this show (and they should be).

Did Ofcom pull their license? Just the opposite! They found no issues!

Their OPINON was this was perfectly fine!

Public opinion did not help steer them in this case!

a reply to: Daughter2

The term "driving force" refers to a factor or influence that initiates and sustains a particular action, process, or change.

As to their only being a complaint form, what is it you suppose we should have in place, a firing squad perchance?

Coz chances are it draws some funny looks never mind complaints.

a reply to: Daughter2

That's all it means. There is no vote. They still get the final say on who to go after and what the sanction will be.

With Ofcom, the 'vote' is people complaining.

The sad thing is, that alot of the time people self report that they've been complained about to the MSM or online and then people go and watch said video and complain to Ofcom, causing the complaints to rocket and Ofcom then shut it down.

a reply to: Daughter2

Never heard of it.

What Channel?

Got a link?

a reply to: andy06shake

What are they supposed to have instead of just a complaint form?

This is how it's supposed to work - the board is elected:
They establish regulations that apply to everyone: Like no nudity in front of children
People get a chance to respond: They can say, "yes, we agree no nudity in front of children" or "nudity is ok"
The board votes on regulations.

In this way, they public can vote them out if they decide not to pull the license of shows that have adults standing naked in front of children.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

www.independent.co.uk...

Here is a link about the show. Naked adults stood in front of children - not teenagers but children.

Even though they received numerous complaints, Ofcom thought it was just fine.

So the public did not "steer" their complaints. They were free to ignore them and they did!

It was a Channel 4 show about positive body image in my quick search just now, I couldn't find anything about Channel 4 doing a second show.
Even though it recieved lots of complaints (about 1200) it also recieved praise for trying to educate young adults, which is why I think it's just gone quiet instead of being banned. I think it will be a show that just disappears into the ether.

originally posted by: Kurokage

With Ofcom, the 'vote' is people complaining.

The sad thing is, that alot of the time people self report that they've been complained about to the MSM or online and then people go and watch said video and complain to Ofcom, causing the complaints to rocket and Ofcom then shut it down.

No, votes aren't the complaint form.

They are free to ignore them, just as they did with Naked Education.

a reply to: Daughter2

Viewers were frustrated over nudity in the show and the fact that the youth participants in the programme were aged 14 to 16.

a reply to: Daughter2

No, votes aren't the complaint form.

They are free to ignore them, just as they did with Naked Education.

it also recieved praise for portraying normal body images and what young adults see on-line.