Connection.

How do we reach The Father? We must connect to Him and not the other way round.

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

"I NEVER KNEW YOU" but they know enough of Christ to have a connection, and so stand before Him.

Someone who rapes and murders children has as much connection to Christ as Christ has to them, and so they will naturally flee the light, have no desire or connection to Christ to stand before Him to be judged, they are already judged!

So when we choose to ignore Christs description of The Father in favour of The Old Testaments description of who God is, we need to be careful who we connect to because each description instils a way of being, and it's your way of being that will get you into Heaven....or not.

Debate any Muslim and they will quote The Old Testament to justify their belief in Islam because it's one of the same, but alas the Quran resides at the bottom of the ocean, swaying back and forth.

When a Muslim converts to Christianity Christ is the reason of course, and from the perspective of Islam it's a death sentence...of course.

Our design is such that we just love to decipher and make sense out of nonsense, and it's the reason the Bible is so disagreed upon, our pride is such we just love to say "look at me God, look how clever I am" and give ourselves a pat on the back, "what a clever boy I am" when in reality our goal is to be nothing...a lowly child.

Let the world convince you you're a somebody and you will receive little to nothing from God, on the other hand.....

Jesus is the only way to the Father.

See John 14:6

This proves all other religions and beliefs concerning how someone enters heaven is false.

a reply to: Cwantas

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
Jesus is the only way to the Father.

If you pay attention to His description of who The Father is.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Jesus is the only way to the Father.

Really! Is that what it says or have you changed scripture to support your own beliefs?

It actually says "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

"I AM" is how God describes himself in Exodus 3:14

“I am the bread of life.” (John 6:35, 41, 48, 51).
“I am the light of the world.” (John 8:12).
“I am the door of the sheep.” (John 10:7,9).
“I am the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25).
“I am the good shepherd.” (John 10:11, 14).
“I am the way, the truth, and the life.” (John 14:6).
“I am the true vine.” (John 15:1, 5).

"I AM" is not a name but the very nature of ones soul made in the image of the Father. Its the presence before thoughts that gives all breathing creatures life. When Jesus spoke from that enlightened state he spoke from his and everyone's soul. When Jesus spoke from himself he instead said "...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" (Mark 10:18).

We have two natures. Those that exist in mind will experience death. Those that exist in I AM can no longer face death ... "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58).

All religions are a path to God. I AM in Hindu is labelled "Atman". Realization of Atman is described as a union or merging with God. The different religions cater for different ego mindsets. When you curse others religions with your ignorance you are doing so from satan (mind).

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Jesus is the only way to the Father.

Really! Is that what it says or have you changed scripture to support your own beliefs?

It actually says "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

"I AM" is how God describes himself in Exodus 3:14

“I am the bread of life.” (John 6:35, 41, 48, 51).
“I am the light of the world.” (John 8:12).
“I am the door of the sheep.” (John 10:7,9).
“I am the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25).
“I am the good shepherd.” (John 10:11, 14).
“I am the way, the truth, and the life.” (John 14:6).
“I am the true vine.” (John 15:1, 5).

"I AM" is not a name but the very nature of ones soul made in the image of the Father. Its the presence before thoughts that gives all breathing creatures life. When Jesus spoke from that enlightened state he spoke from his and everyone's soul. When Jesus spoke from himself he instead said "...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" (Mark 10:18).

We have two natures. Those that exist in mind will experience death. Those that exist in I AM can no longer face death ... "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58).

All religions are a path to God. I AM in Hindu is labelled "Atman". Realization of Atman is described as a union or merging with God. The different religions cater for different ego mindsets. When you curse others religions with your ignorance you are doing so from satan (mind).

Atman is the inner self, the spirit or soul of an individual. It is the first principle of liberation from suffering and transmigrates upon death.

Christs teachings had, and have more in common with Hinduism than Hebrew.

Islam teaches that all other religions are false as it sways back and forth....fact!

a reply to: Cwantas

Your mind is full of facts allowing you to judge others yes.

Whereas Muslims are taught in Quran 2:62 "Whether they are the ones who believe (in the Arabian Prophet), or whether they are Jews, Christians or Sabians – all who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and do righteous deeds – their reward is surely secure with their Lord; they need have no fear, nor shall they grieve".

Muslim greats like Ibn al-Farid, Rumi etc offer great insights into the spiritualism.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: Cwantas

Your mind is full of facts allowing you to judge others yes.

Whereas Muslims are taught in Quran 2:62 "Whether they are the ones who believe (in the Arabian Prophet), or whether they are Jews, Christians or Sabians – all who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and do righteous deeds – their reward is surely secure with their Lord; they need have no fear, nor shall they grieve".

Muslim greats like Ibn al-Farid, Rumi etc offer great insights into the spiritualism.

Islam teaches that all other religions are false, it's not my fact, it's a fact.


The aim of the verse is to repudiate the illusion cherished by the Jews that, by virtue of their being Jews, they have a monopoly of salvation. That all who belonged to their group were predestined to salvation regardless of their beliefs and actions. whereas all non-Jews were predestined to serve as fodder for hell-fire.

Much the same as what Islam teaches today.

Am I wrong to judge the Muslins who raped tortured and murdered young girls in the UK because of their belief that those girls were destined for hell anyway? and so their actions would sit well with God because they weren't Muslim, a belief taught in Islam?


I don't believe for one second that belonging to a particular religion prevents you from entering heaven, heaven is open to everyone regardless, it depends on you, not your religion.

Enter a Mosque and ask if other religions are respected by God in the sense that worship of religions other than Islam will get you into heaven, what do you think the answer will be?

Draw near to God and he will draw near to you.

“If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

John 8;36

originally posted by: Untun

Draw near to God and he will draw near to you.

“If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

John 8;36

Spot on.

It's true that if you reach out to the Divine the Divine will also reach out for you. But actually making a connection with the Divine is not possible if it is attempted 'mindfully.'
It has to be a heart to heart union. Mankind is separated from the Divine by imagination. Imagination is the veil hiding the Divine from you. Through meditation one is able to open their heart to the Divine without imagination interfering.

a reply to: glend

Really! Is that what it says or have you changed scripture to support your own beliefs?

Yes, that's what it says. It's not DeathSlayer trying to change scripture to support their beliefs, it's you.

It actually says "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Yep, that's exactly what DeathSlayer just said, but you're twisting the meaning to make it different.

"I AM" is how God describes himself in Exodus 3:14

“I am the bread of life.” (John 6:35, 41, 48, 51).
“I am the light of the world.” (John 8:12).
“I am the door of the sheep.” (John 10:7,9).
“I am the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25).
“I am the good shepherd.” (John 10:11, 14).
“I am the way, the truth, and the life.” (John 14:6).
“I am the true vine.” (John 15:1, 5).

That's because Jesus is God, but the longer explanation of that can be found in other threads.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

"I AM" is not a name but the very nature of ones soul made in the image of the Father. Its the presence before thoughts that gives all breathing creatures life. When Jesus spoke from that enlightened state he spoke from his and everyone's soul.

By the way, God didn't "describe" himself as "I AM". He said it WAS his NAME and would be forever. The only "description" God told Moses to give to the people to back up the I AM name was that He was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Exodus 3:13-15

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Also, it wasn't Jesus speaking from "everyone's soul" when he said:

John 15:5-6

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

originally posted by: Cwantas
How do we reach The Father? We must connect to Him and not the other way round.

John 14:6 - Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." So that's it. It has to be through Jesus. There is no other truthful way.

originally posted by: glend
All religions are a path to God. .

No. Some of the major religions don't believe in an entity that is God, like Buddhism. And Islam doesn't believe Jesus is God, therefore they believe in a different god than the Christians. Wicca worships the created, not the creator. Etc etc.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Buddhism denies the existence of an "external" God yes. Buddhism teaches that interconnectedness is the true nature of all beings thus focuses on removing the barriers to experiencing that absolute truth for ourselves. Paul taught a similar teaching in 1 Corinthians 12:12-27 of the one spirit (similarly John 17:21) . Islams 13th century Sufi female Saint Saida Manoubia stated it beautifully when describing her love - "My love is directed primarily to God but for that reason is also extended to fellow creatures as not only creations of God but as reflections and manifestations of Gods being and attributes.". I have not examined Wicca. Did not even realize it was classed as religion.

When Jesus was in unification with the eternal he gave the eternal a voice. When he was not in unification with the eternal he clearly differentiated between himself and the eternal - Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good? Jesus answered. No one is good except God alone".

a reply to: Deetermined

ep, that's exactly what DeathSlayer just said, but you're twisting the meaning to make it different.

The words are carefully written in double entendre. The literal appeases ones egocentric self, promising everything, for nothing. Whereas the hidden does not. Which do you think leads to the narrow gate that few find?

a reply to: glend

The words are carefully written in double entendre.

No, they are not. This was not a parable. When you read the Bible, the New Testament goes into great detail about how and why Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.

The literal appeases ones egocentric self, promising everything, for nothing.

The literal points out who God is so that there is no misunderstanding. While He has the ability to promise everything because of who He is, it's not for nothing. The promises are for those who have the ability to understand and believe. It's not considered "nothing" to either accept or reject that.

Whereas the hidden does not. Which do you think leads to the narrow gate that few find?

I believe you have it backwards. It's not egocentric for God to claim He is God and the only way to salvation. It is egocentric for us to believe that we are "I AM" and don't need God's sacrifice and/or that we are capable of saving ourselves just by believing that we are "I AM". SOMEDAY, believers will become one with God after our current heavens and earth pass away, but that time is NOT NOW or is it on EARTH. As long as we are living on earth with our sinful nature, we can only rely on the Holy Spirit to guide us until such time we are living in God's perfect kingdom with God/Jesus himself. Then God will become "all in all". God is not capable of abiding in a sinful and corrupt world.

a reply to: Deetermined

Scripture could not go into great detail. The reason it could not is because the serpent in Genesis is our ego. If scripture denounced our ego, the serpents (aka general public) would have rejected Christianity. That is why Paul said in 1 Corinthians 3:2 "I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.".

Scripture is the milk. The meat was withheld. Because we'd refuse to accept it.

I AM has nothing to do with belief. I AM is christ consciousness. You first have to reject everything your mind grasps in the material world to free "I AM" from the bondage of the ego. ... Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.". Only when we have freed christ conciousness can we love everyone "as Jesus loved us" (John 13:34).

"God is not capable of abiding in a sinful and corrupt world"

God created the tree of knowledge of good and evil to allow the experience truth in all things. If no-body sinned against us we would never know the true meaning of forgiveness ... without darkness we could never see the light.

a reply to: glend

Scripture could not go into great detail. The reason it could not is because the serpent in Genesis is our ego. If scripture denounced our ego, the serpents (aka general public) would have rejected Christianity. That is why Paul said in 1 Corinthians 3:2 "I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.".

Scripture is the milk. The meat was withheld. Because we'd refuse to accept it.

The first few verses point out specifically in 1 Corinthians 3 that Paul was talking about carnal things (milk) versus spiritual things (meat). I'm not talking about pagan spiritual practices that were forbidden in the Bible. I'm talking wisdom given to believers through the Holy Spirit. What Paul is saying in those scriptures is no different than what Jesus himself had to say about being born again...

John 3:10-12 - Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

You're right about one thing...there are those who refuse to acknowledge or accept what Jesus said about all of these things in scripture. Sound familiar?

I AM has nothing to do with belief. I AM is christ consciousness. You first have to reject everything your mind grasps in the material world to free "I AM" from the bondage of the ego. ... Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.". Only when we have freed christ conciousness can we love everyone "as Jesus loved us" (John 13:34).

I AM is the name of God and I've already shown that to you from scripture. Where does the Bible say that I AM is a form of consciousness? It doesn't. Like I've always said, if you want to incorporate scripture into your beliefs, you have to rely on what all of the scriptures say as a whole. You can't twist certain verses to say what you want them to and then ignore all of the rest. It makes your beliefs lack credibility. Now, if you want to quote Buddha to back up your beliefs, go for it.

"God is not capable of abiding in a sinful and corrupt world"

God created the tree of knowledge of good and evil to allow the experience truth in all things. If no-body sinned against us we would never know the true meaning of forgiveness ... without darkness we could never see the light.

While that is true, you also have to remember that God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden after they sinned. God is not currently living on the earth even though he has the ability to see, hear, and know everything that is going on here on earth. God's ultimate plan is to live with us without any barriers. That kingdom is the place that Jesus went to prepare for us after he ascended to heaven.

Here is one brief description of that kingdom...

Revelation 21:1-4

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: glend

Really! Is that what it says or have you changed scripture to support your own beliefs?

Yes, that's what it says. It's not DeathSlayer trying to change scripture to support their beliefs, it's you.

It actually says "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Yep, that's exactly what DeathSlayer just said, but you're twisting the meaning to make it different.

"I AM" is how God describes himself in Exodus 3:14

“I am the bread of life.” (John 6:35, 41, 48, 51).
“I am the light of the world.” (John 8:12).
“I am the door of the sheep.” (John 10:7,9).
“I am the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25).
“I am the good shepherd.” (John 10:11, 14).
“I am the way, the truth, and the life.” (John 14:6).
“I am the true vine.” (John 15:1, 5).

That's because Jesus is God, but the longer explanation of that can be found in other threads.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

"I AM" is not a name but the very nature of ones soul made in the image of the Father. Its the presence before thoughts that gives all breathing creatures life. When Jesus spoke from that enlightened state he spoke from his and everyone's soul.

By the way, God didn't "describe" himself as "I AM". He said it WAS his NAME and would be forever. The only "description" God told Moses to give to the people to back up the I AM name was that He was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Exodus 3:13-15

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Also, it wasn't Jesus speaking from "everyone's soul" when he said:

John 15:5-6

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

I have to disagree with you in regards to Jesus being God The father. He's of The Father, an exact representation of who The Father is. The Father is the essence of everything that exists. The Holy Spirit is also separate from The Father, a reflection of The Father, and is female.

God inside you is the image of The Father in some, Christs children, and is why if you attempt to have them sin, Christs wrath will be upon you. Not all are Christs children because the image of The Father doesn't reside in everyone, in some it's the image of the evil one. Christs children are trapped here with the children of the evil one. Those who are instantly drawn to Christ and wholly believe in Him are of The Father too, like Christ.

Three separate beings.

a reply to: Deetermined

"I AM is the name of God and I've already shown that to you from scripture."

Your beliefs are too strong. Making you unyielding. How can the hold spirit enter such a mind? Dispersing truths to a mind that is already brimming with its own truths? That is warning of Matthew 18:2-5. The holy spirit will only come to those that are receptive to change. You need work on that.

Whatever I believe is of no real significance. To quote Ecclesiastes, its like chasing after the wind. You can certainly achieve salvation by faith alone. So don't be too annoyed with my lunacy.

For myself, I strive to enter the temple before death. I certainly cannot witness Gods face and live. So aim to be one of the walking dead. To enter the gate that no ego can pass.

If I adore You out of fear of Hell, burn me in Hell!
If I adore you out of desire for Paradise,
Lock me out of Paradise.
But if I adore you for Yourself alone,
Do not deny to me Your eternal beauty.”
― Rabia al Basri (Islam Sufi)