YouTube demonetizes Russell Brand citing his harmful ‘off-platform behavior'

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: alldaylong

Same should apply to bakeries who dont wanna bake cakes for fa*gots!

Your values shouldn't be forced upon me. I make the final decision to whom i make cakes for....

Cake making in the courts

Freedom of expression, as guaranteed by article 10 of the European convention on human rights, includes the right “not to express an opinion which one does not hold”, Hale added. “This court has held that nobody should be forced to have or express a political opinion in which he does not believe,”

nothing to do with grooming

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: quintessentone

Well in the UK as per past rape cases there will no real evidence as per usual because there are never any witnesses to rapes, it seems. So I am not sure what charges, if any, they will find after the investigation

i remind you of this.

Every single celebrity convicted by Operation Yewtree

thetab.com...

i will point you to this..

The distressing truth is that if you are raped in Britain today, your chances of seeing justice are slim

For victims, reporting rape is effectively a lottery and the odds are rarely in your favour. In the year to December 2021, there were 67,125 rape offences recorded – an all-time high. Yet the number of completed rape prosecutions plummeted from 5,190 in 2016-17 to just 2,409 in 2020-21. The numbers of convictions almost halved (2,689 in 2016/17 compared to 1,409 in 2020/21). Only 5% of rapes that were given an outcome by the police in the year ending December 2021 resulted in a charge.

it takes over 800 days on average to get to trial and during that time most victims pull out of the process so the trail collapses this is the reality today made worse that some judges are cutting sentences down especially it seems those under 25 who are not w=quite seen as old enough to be held accountable for their actions.

then you have the likes of peter wilby who blocked investigations into abuse admitiong a sexual interest in kids when convicted of having child abuse images but as it seems the norm today only given a suspended sentence

even if there is evidence to convict sentencing is exceptionally poor..

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

YouTube is a privat company they can pretty much do whatever they like.

Not true when they make statements like this

We have suspended monetization on Russell Brand's channel for violating our creator responsibility policy. If a creator's off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community.

In a few words they decided to demonetize Brand because they believe he is guilty of sexual assault/rape.

YouTube is a private company and a colossus of social media. The statement above wasn't made by a random online user but by them. Surely this could amount to libel and defamation. Brand hasn't even been charged.

Doesn't look to be anything actionable in that clip you posted.

You may want to take a look at this again.

We have suspended monetization on Russell Brand's channel for violating our creator responsibility policy. If a creator's off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community.

In a few words they decided to demonetize Brand because they believe he is guilty of sexual assault/rape.

YouTube is a private company and a colossus of social media. The statement above wasn't made by a random online user but by them. Surely this could amount to libel and defamation. Brand hasn't even been charged.

Thats not what it says though. it says his off platform behaviour is at fault, that could be anything, from being anti vax to mooning out of his window at a passing bus.

No. That's not what it says.
They have reacted to the recent allegations. That's very clear. The fact they demonetized his channel in the last 24 hours proves it has to do with the allegations of sexual assault.

Nothing to do with the anti vax or the war in Ukraine.

It doesnt say that though, I am pretty sure if you want to drag a properly lawyered up outfit like Youtube to court, you need more than you have shown us.

Of course that's not true.
They ve reacted to the recent allegations and they decided to demonetize him because of these allegations. So they believe these allegations to be true.

Just as you believe they're true and you have made it clear in this thread. You haven't said anything about him being an anti-vaxxer or anything else but concentrated into these allegations.

So your argument they demonetized him because of his anti vax rhetoric is just not true.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Terpene

He stalked/preyed on her, not the other way around. Naive girl, hero worship?, he buys her presents (buying her?), she does everything he tells her to do (can't think for herself?)...not really consensual to me.

You don't know this!
It's her account only and you seem to be accepting it to be true. You were not there btw and neither any of us.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Oh well, it's a real conundrum then. psychological violence is so hard to proof, there is only one way to be protected and that is psychological resilience needs to be thought. We need to all be experts in psychological defense.

Now that physical violence is not permitted as a social dynamic all the violence will shift to psychological...

Maybe women had better cards before when man only had physical violence to get what they want, because that way they could at least prove the abuse without a doubt.

Now men will adapt to the psychological playing field and it probably won't end too well for women, if they really are as helpless as you suggest.

I think women need to be severly punished for false accusations of that kind, it would help seperate the grain from the chaff.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: AlienBorg

YouTube might as well close shop. If they are going to shut down influencers for having someone "accuse" them of a wrong doing", that would be everyone that posts to their site.

We have been poisoned as a society. We are so easily led, controlled, and manipulated, that we don't even see that we are being remotely controlled.

TPTB warned us that we would be pushed to the limit. We can't claim we were blindsided.

There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: There is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to... The Outer Limits.

Based ^

As well as making it clear they believe these allegations and believe he has sexually assaulted these women

Their statement

We have suspended monetization on Russell Brand's channel for violating our creator responsibility policy. If a creator's off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community.

This happened I think in the last 24 hours. Suspending monetization, otherwise punishing someone who may also make their living from these videos or significant portion of their living due to allegations.

They have been hammered already by other media in the UK and everywhere else.

Cancellation on the way.

I don't think people have realised the significance of this statement.

a reply to: nickyw

only given a suspended sentence

I think that comes to the decision of the Judge. Whom weighs the likely hood if the offender is liable to be a repeat offender or not in the interest to send to prison for whatever reason..... Prison spaces might also be a deciding factor.

stinks to high heavem

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Terpene

He stalked/preyed on her, not the other way around. Naive girl, hero worship?, he buys her presents (buying her?), she does everything he tells her to do (can't think for herself?)...not really consensual to me.

You don't know this!
It's her account only and you seem to be accepting it to be true. You were not there btw and neither any of us.

In her own words now a woman with wherewithall:

'Now that I'm in my 30s, looking at 16-year-olds, I can't even imagine finding them sexually attractive. I can't imagine even thinking of them as that, you know, a potential mate in any way,' she said.

'It just seems the only feelings I have towards them are maternal, protective feelings - I couldn't even imagine. You just don't even put them into that category in your head.'

She added: 'As I became an older woman - and started reaching the same age as him - that's when I really started to feel angry.

'You're allowed to make mistakes as a teenager - they should be with people you own age.'

www.dailymail.co.uk... alleged-accuser-Alice-claims.html

a reply to: quintessentone

He's already been dropped, same thing. He's toast.

That's right only because what? ZZZZZ Eh wha.. What? Mmmm
that's right MMmedia there it is. The very thing that decides whether
you know anything about this story or not. This isn't rocket science
at all? Don't you wonder who's next after we allow media to decide
Russells fate? Soon we're gonna put the whole legal system out to
pasture because media.

All because of hate for the one guy that handed everyones fate over to
our new justice system the media. On top of all that we're gonna hang
the only guy that had the heart to walk away and get help. Because he
was caught up in a lifestyle that ten years later comes back to haunt him?
A lifestyle that is nothing more than common place in a completely different
world?

Sorry I can't live like that and I despise pedophiles.

a reply to: AlienBorg

As well as making it clear they believe these allegations and believe he has sexually assaulted these women

Their statement


"" We have suspended monetization on Russell Brand's channel for violating our creator responsibility policy. If a creator's off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community"".

You don't understand!
being on trial is enough to harm the users, employees, or ecosystem.

Financial harm counts too.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

As well as making it clear they believe these allegations and believe he has sexually assaulted these women

Their statement


"" We have suspended monetization on Russell Brand's channel for violating our creator responsibility policy. If a creator's off-platform behavior harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community"".

You don't understand!
being on trial is enough to harm the users, employees, or ecosystem.

Financial harm counts too.

What trial?
He hasn't even been charged yet.
And if he is charged then should we wait to see how the proper trial evolves?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Terpene

He stalked/preyed on her, not the other way around. Naive girl, hero worship?, he buys her presents (buying her?), she does everything he tells her to do (can't think for herself?)...not really consensual to me.

You don't know this!
It's her account only and you seem to be accepting it to be true. You were not there btw and neither any of us.

In her own words now a woman with wherewithall:

'Now that I'm in my 30s, looking at 16-year-olds, I can't even imagine finding them sexually attractive. I can't imagine even thinking of them as that, you know, a potential mate in any way,' she said.

'It just seems the only feelings I have towards them are maternal, protective feelings - I couldn't even imagine. You just don't even put them into that category in your head.'

She added: 'As I became an older woman - and started reaching the same age as him - that's when I really started to feel angry.

'You're allowed to make mistakes as a teenager - they should be with people you own age.'

www.dailymail.co.uk... alleged-accuser-Alice-claims.html

Her own account. That's all.
Although in this part of her account she doesn't seem to accuse Brand.

a reply to: PorkChop96

I really hate to agree with Terpene, no offense, but they make sense.


It's grooming when it is someone you don't like/agree with but when it is a teacher doing it to a child and hiding it form their mother, for "fear of what the mother will do", you will defend that to the end of the earth.

None taken.

If I read that right, I'm basically the only one without doublestandards...

That's refreshing

a reply to: AlienBorg

You behave as if you only just realized the dynamics with mass media.

What exactly is so surprising?
that they spin and lie however they think it sells best?

You above all should know how that works, or is the selection of news outlets you choose to post from on ATS not calculated and pure confirmation bias?

a reply to: quintessentone

You are obviously follow the "if a woman says it - it must be true" philosophy.

While in ordinary situations most are probably telling the truth - there is a large enough group who WILL lie.
Of course that harms true victims but that is the truth.

The solution isn't to ignore this fact but to deal harshly with the people who make false allegations. This shouldn't deter real victims because it would have to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

By simply believing someone based on a statement you actually encourage more false allegations. And when people keep getting accused via the media of acts it lessens the credibility of real victims.

And when youtube deals with allegations against non-MSM hosts harsher than MSM this also lessens the credibility of real victims.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Saloon
a reply to: quintessentone

Ladies and gentlemen Margret Thatcher!

well she was big mates with jimmy Saville and some of the worst paedos ever to grace the houses of parliament

LOL, what about what she said here, was she wrong, or just wrong by default because of who she knew?

I would argue that she possibly said what she did because she well knew the private lives of the men around her.

so you don't agree and the court of public opinon is good enough for a conviction?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: quintessentone

she does everything he tells her to do (can't think for herself?)

Ah, I'd really love to see you discuss that with a bunch of 16 year old teens.
That's pretty much the epitome of the issue adults keeping kids naive and naive teens wanting to be adults....

he buys her presents (buying her?)

Like I said, women set the price, not men! And behave like a slut get treated like one.

Those dynamics are consensual and the sickness of it only become apparent after the remorse sets in.

Blaming the other is simple, but it takes two to tango.

Generalizing all 16 year olds, they are not all the same.

Naive teens wanting to be adults, keep with their friends, in a sort of learning together scenario...not hiding their life from their friends and family because a guy told them to.

The dynamics are called 'grooming' and it's the same thing Epstein did with those young girls...it's how it's done to manipulate young naive girls to do what you want. Predatory dynamics at play.

Yes, grooming, it's what the trans community is doing to little kids. My God, you keep tripping over the truth, eventually, you might smash your face into it and have some of it sink in.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

You behave as if you only just realized the dynamics with mass media.

What exactly is so surprising?
that they spin and lie however they think it sells best?

You above all should know how that works, or is the selection of news outlets you choose to post from on ATS not calculated and pure confirmation bias?

I am not surprised.
But still what they've done cannot be justified. They didn't even suspend his channel but demonetizated it as a way to punish him over some allegations. It hasn't gone well with the some of the British media and with much of the public.

They actually accept he is guilty as charged in the media. That surely must be dealt legally.

originally posted by: Daughter2
a reply to: quintessentone

You are obviously follow the "if a woman says it - it must be true" philosophy.

While in ordinary situations most are probably telling the truth - there is a large enough group who WILL lie.
Of course that harms true victims but that is the truth.

The solution isn't to ignore this fact but to deal harshly with the people who make false allegations. This shouldn't deter real victims because it would have to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

By simply believing someone based on a statement you actually encourage more false allegations. And when people keep getting accused via the media of acts it lessens the credibility of real victims.

And when youtube deals with allegations against non-MSM hosts harsher than MSM this also lessens the credibility of real victims.

The philosophy you just described, if there exists to some degree, it's catastrophic!

Imagine judges and jury or even the police believe whoever makes allegations and especially if they're women just because they're women.