Congressional Committee Public Hearing with NASA on NASA's UAP REPORT

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: putnam6

This is what David Grusch said about Congress:

Grusch said he hasn't personally seen any alien vehicles or alien bodies, and that his opinions are based on the accounts of over 40 witnesses he interviewed over four years in his role with the UAP task force.

"My testimony is based on information I have been given by individuals with a longstanding track record of legitimacy and service to this country — many of whom also shared compelling evidence in the form of photography, official documentation, and classified oral testimony," Grusch said, adding that the trove of evidence has been intentionally kept secret from Congress.

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How can Congress, NASA and those sixteen independent investigators disclose anything when all evidence is being kept secret? This is such a waste of time. Go after those 40 witnesses and those that are still on the program (pilots?).

Grusch also alleged that the U.S. has retrieved "non-human" biological matter from the pilots of the crafts, adding, "That was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the [UAP] program I talked to, that are currently still on the program."

Not sure why you think we haven't heard Grusch's comments yet, It is common knowledge his beliefs are based on the 40-plus individuals he interviewed.

Regardless Congress gets hearings from whomever TPTB deems can get questioned on this now it's NASA's turn. If NASA was/is operating independently we may get more info, but I expect a lot of no comments and National security concerns, etc.

Not sure why you think I think you haven't heard Grusch's comments...the opening phrase was for context in specifying his comments on Congress, specifically.

I too expect more of the same.

Which supposedly has nothing to do with NASA, weren't all of Grusch's interviews with personnel in the DoD realm? One would expect our National Air and Space ADMINISTRATION to have it's own collection of evidence, though the DoD probably wants to keep that classified too.

This is why I brought up Ms Hare's comments as she worked directly with NASA for 15 years in photography. ie boot on the ground. As a starting point, there are more independent NASA-related possibilities. For example, wouldn't one expect NASA to know more about the Black Night satellite which so far they suggest is a thermal blanket from a previously known satellite launch?

www.popularmechanics.com...

My whole point in replying is that they are barking up the wrong tree, that being, NASA and to me it's another - don't look there, look here.

originally posted by: TXRabbit
It appears to me that all of this "revelation" exposure, claims and attention is ALL based on heresay.

Like the NASA guy said the other week, they will examine and base their findings on EVIDENCE.

Greer, Corbell, Pope, Knapp, Keane, Grunsch and the rest of the insane clown posse have yet to provide EVIDENCE.

Bring out all the whistleblowers, experiencers, knows-a-guy folks ad nausem but at the end of the day, we need EVIDENCE.

I personally don't discount this alien corpse in Mexico but based on the sources, I'm skeptical

It's almost like the folks at the top of the UFO pyramid are keeping the charlatans around, piece-mealing info to them as bait for a gullible public for a reason.
Could this be a new level of mockery, gaslighting, escape and plausible deniability being created before our very eyes?

Again I know it's a fine distinction but it is a distinction nonetheless, Grusch's claims are from the whistle-blowers he has interviewed not people he heard stories from. He has INTERVIEWED independent people say the same details thus he believes the accounts have merit and the DoD may be working on weapons systems with private corporations WITHOUT Congressional oversight, which they are not supposed to do.

originally posted by: putnam6


Again I know it's a fine distinction but it is a distinction nonetheless, Grusch's claims are from the whistle-blowers he has interviewed not people he heard stories from. He has INTERVIEWED independent people say the same details thus he believes the accounts have merit and the DoD may be working on weapons systems with private corporations WITHOUT Congressional oversight, which they are not supposed to do.

I get what you're saying but again...no evidence.

I could interview many people about many things but does that pass the test of Absolute? No. Heresay

a reply to: putnam6

Exactly, see now how do security clearances (Top Secret, SCI, Q) come into play with members of Congress?

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originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: putnam6

This is what David Grusch said about Congress:

Grusch said he hasn't personally seen any alien vehicles or alien bodies, and that his opinions are based on the accounts of over 40 witnesses he interviewed over four years in his role with the UAP task force.

"My testimony is based on information I have been given by individuals with a longstanding track record of legitimacy and service to this country — many of whom also shared compelling evidence in the form of photography, official documentation, and classified oral testimony," Grusch said, adding that the trove of evidence has been intentionally kept secret from Congress.

www.npr.org...

How can Congress, NASA and those sixteen independent investigators disclose anything when all evidence is being kept secret? This is such a waste of time. Go after those 40 witnesses and those that are still on the program (pilots?).

Grusch also alleged that the U.S. has retrieved "non-human" biological matter from the pilots of the crafts, adding, "That was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the [UAP] program I talked to, that are currently still on the program."

Not sure why you think we haven't heard Grusch's comments yet, It is common knowledge his beliefs are based on the 40-plus individuals he interviewed.

Regardless Congress gets hearings from whomever TPTB deems can get questioned on this now it's NASA's turn. If NASA was/is operating independently we may get more info, but I expect a lot of no comments and National security concerns, etc.

Not sure why you think I think you haven't heard Grusch's comments...the opening phrase was for context in specifying his comments on Congress, specifically.

I too expect more of the same.

Which supposedly has nothing to do with NASA, weren't all of Grusch's interviews with personnel in the DoD realm? One would expect our National Air and Space ADMINISTRATION to have it's own collection of evidence, though the DoD probably wants to keep that classified too.

This is why I brought up Ms Hare's comments as she worked directly with NASA for 15 years in photography. ie boot on the ground. As a starting point, there are more independent NASA-related possibilities. For example, wouldn't one expect NASA to know more about the Black Night satellite which so far they suggest is a thermal blanket from a previously known satellite launch?

www.popularmechanics.com...

My whole point in replying is that they are barking up the wrong tree, that being, NASA and to me it's another - don't look there, look here.

We saw the DoD's initial response already, which was basically this is NO EVIDENCE and we have no craft or contact send what you have here and we will study it.

As if they have had no prior knowledge of this phenomena, though servicemen and women all over the world report on UAPs and UFOs AND have for decades. ie they are giving the public the run-around

www.aaro.mil...

Makes me think that the entire reason for the formation of this NASA group is to get truth-seekers off DOD's (and others) lawn.

originally posted by: TXRabbit
Makes me think that the entire reason for the formation of this NASA group is to get truth-seekers off DOD's (and others) lawn.

Exactly, that's my whole point here too.

And now we have clarification, NASA will be transparent,they know nothing about UAPS, but this hearing will be held in secret. Isn't that such BS

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D. Dean Johnson
@ddeanjohnson
This morning a House Oversight Committee spokesperson gave me further clarification on the committee's UAP-related plans: "The Oversight Committee has invited NASA to conduct a bipartisan, full Committee, Member-level briefing on their findings on September 21, 2023. The briefing is closed to the public and media but we anticipate having another public hearing on UAPs in the near future.”

I TOTALLY agree with you, YES, those 40 some witnesses need to be interviewed, however...
It seems implied that many of them are still under contract and under NDAs and not in positions to come forward safely.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but I AM saying, don't be surprised if several of them start dropping dead immediately after recieving their court summons.

It's important that Grusch's answer to SEVERAL questions was "I could answer in a private SCIF." In other words, "They can't prove I answered, and don't know for sure what I said. Any info you act on could've theoretically come from anywhere, or you could've just had some crazy good hunches!"
These witnesses would likely have to be interviewed the same way. Of course, that might mean whatever their testimonies are, would remain strictly off the record, and we the people might not ever get to hear or read them. But Congress COULD then take legal action and draft specific legislation to help the cause in the long run, and maybe years down the line, it could become safe enough for the testimonies to be made public.
But I think the legislation has to come first. These programs are all currently legal, and federally funded. That has to change.

It's just so bloody delicate, ya know?

a reply to: quintessentone

The people speaking for NASA on this matter might have no info on UAPs, because they weren't given it. LOL.
Or maybe they were just paid a lot of money to say that.
When I worked at the deli, and I was having a really busy day and was trying to get through my closing duties, I might claim to have no idea what was on the Thanksgiving catering menu, as long as no one was around to hold me accountable. Know what I mean?

That doesn't mean higher ups at NASA don't have the info. Honestly, it doesn't really mean anything.

a reply to: putnam6

originally posted by: TheValeyard
The people speaking for NASA on this matter might have no info on UAPs, because they weren't given it. LOL.
Or maybe they were just paid a lot of money to say that.
When I worked at the deli, and I was having a really busy day and was trying to get through my closing duties, I might claim to have no idea what was on the Thanksgiving catering menu, as long as no one was around to hold me accountable. Know what I mean?

That doesn't mean higher ups at NASA don't have the info. Honestly, it doesn't really mean anything.

a reply to: putnam6

I always use working at a deli analogies when discussing a federally funded department having Congressional hearings about UAPs...

a reply to: putnam6
I thing besides Corbell and Knapp there are still people pushing the envelope.

I found this via X (I like this simplified version one letter alphabet brand) don't know if it actually going to be something worthy but them working on this maybe will change things someday?

X

UAP Ammendment

Here's Burchett's take on this secret hearing it was BS, and a funding grab.

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16ohrjh/representative_tim_burchett_let_down_with_todays/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3[/url ]

a reply to: putnam6

I’m glad your disclaimer isn’t to bar folks or dissuade them from participation based on your viewpoint.

Would you accept the contractor lied, or was shown false images for the intent of furthering misinformation? If not, then how has that been ruled out?

I’m sure you agree the subject of aliens and UFOs if full of misinformation. This seems to be more of the same, after all where are the high resolution photos of aliens. How did this contractor know they were looking at aliens? A belief? A guess? Guided misinformation perhaps? Many possibilities that might be hard for you to entertain, but it would help you unravel this.