PLAN 2005

Supertran,
They are better, especially the one that is taken somewhere around midship.

You can clearly see the canister launchers for the ASCM's. They look almost identical to USN Harpoon canisters. Same placement also.

Aft of them are two small launchers that look kind of like mini-rocket launchers. I'm guessing that's for chaff, although those launchers look like they'll swivel and that's not necessary for chaff.

You can see a hatch open with some tubes inside the skin of the ship behind the hatch. That's over the side torpedos. The Aegis cruisers use the same setup, launching them from inside the ship. The Aegis destroyers have the tubes mounted just aft of the aft superstructure. The tubes get filled with compressed air and the air blows the torpedo into the water.

I guess that 'thing' that had the brown tarp over it in the original pic is the Russian CIWS the article mentioned. In the second pic of the second group posted you can clearly see it's a CIWS system and the part sticking up from it is the radar.

In the second pic you can also see the side of one of the aft phased array radar antennas. The placement looks like it will clear most of the clutter back aft for a decent air coverage, but it still looks like it has poor surface coverage aft. I'd still like to see them placed higher for better range.

Also, looking at the stacks amidships, it looks like they used a design similar to the Aegis destroyers. The design is supposed to help disipate heat and redure the IR signature.

All in all, I'll change my opinion and say it's a decent ship, and is probably the most capable the PLAN has. I still don't think it'll compete with a USN Aegis ship, but it looks superior to a lot of other naval warships out there. I'd like to see it up against one of the Japanese Aegis ships. they look to be in the same league.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Hey I did not star it, I'm responding to a member who seem to known the tech and capabilities of a ship by its outer appearance.
And where was that picture of the U.S. soldier and Chine guy taken?

No I'm not just talking about you, I'm talking about trends this forum in general. Everytime somebody mentions an achievement in the Chinese military it turns into China vs. US argument

btw that pic was in Iraq. The Chinese soldiers (or more like bodyguards) were just escorting some Chinese official doing something there. They took some pics with some US soldiers. There were more pics but I don't remember what site they were on.

[edit on 23-4-2005 by Taishyou]

Uhhhhhhhhhh, no, that CIWS is not Russian, go and read something about the 052B/C class of ships first and not interpret what they are through their outer appearance (and you can't see the outer appearance either, so thats even more pathetic).

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Hey I did not star it, I'm responding to a member who seem to known the tech and capabilities of a ship by its outer appearance.
And where was that picture of the U.S. soldier and Chine guy taken?

It was taken in Iraq,

The Chinese person is a member of the People's Armed Police, bodyguards for the Chinese diplomats in Iraq.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Hey I did not star it, I'm responding to a member who seem to known the tech and capabilities of a ship by its outer appearance.

Its not "outer appearance"..... Its the numbers of vessels they have and the types..
Very good for defending + sting attacks follwed by quick retreats..
Jeez!

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[edit on 19-5-2005 by chinawhite]

[edit on 19-5-2005 by chinawhite]

whats all this yellow??

Yeah chinawhite what the heck is all that yellow s*** of yours that you have painted

I see that yellow too, WTF is that?

i circled those areas so you can compared those areas.

WP23 et al,

There is a concept you have to come to terms with.

There is no weapons system that is perfect.
There is no weapons system that does not have weakpoints.
There is no battle plan that is invincible.

It is exceptionally arrogant and not a little racist to assume that anything the US does will work and anything anyone else might attempt against them will fail.

Technological superiority is no guarantee of success - remember Vietnam?

Should the Chinese decide to take Taiwan, I think you will find that they will use the same precepts as the US does - overwhelming force. It is always better to have 10 ships more than you need than 1 less.

Cheers

BHR

chinawhite . please get rid of all that yellow!!

WestPoint,

I was hoping for some response from you.

Do you have nothing to say ?

Cheers

BHR