Over 60 percent of active shooters stopped by good guy with a gun

a reply to: quintessentone

This isn't an argument. Just thought I'd post this graphic I made years back.



It's based off of Obama's "Now is the Time to Do Something About Gun Violence" thing. All gears connect to the Background Check System. Just thought it an interesting visual. Probably adds nothing to the thread though...

I just like to look at it, lol.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
When is the campaign to trade our guns in for puberty blockers to hand out to kids this Halloween gonna start?

Sounds like a plan. I have some scrap wood and conduit I can make some 'guns' with for the cause. That is if I am allowed to flush the puberty blockers down the toilet.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: quintessentone

This isn't an argument. Just thought I'd post this graphic I made years back.



It's based off of Obama's "Now is the Time to Do Something About Gun Violence" thing. All gears connect to the Background Check System. Just thought it an interesting visual. Probably adds nothing to the thread though...

I just like to look at it, lol.

Hey don't do anything about gun violence, just continue whatever you are all doing and don't change a thing.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: quintessentone

This isn't an argument. Just thought I'd post this graphic I made years back.



It's based off of Obama's "Now is the Time to Do Something About Gun Violence" thing. All gears connect to the Background Check System. Just thought it an interesting visual. Probably adds nothing to the thread though...

I just like to look at it, lol.

Hey don't do anything about gun violence, just continue whatever you are all doing and don't change a thing.

The issue isn't acknowledgment of the problem.

The issue is that every "solution" yall propose is to remove law abiding American's civil rights.


Tell me, who of the political gun control advocates have disarmed their personal security?

...I'll wait.

a reply to: quintessentone

I didn't suggest not doing anything about gun violence!

I was trying to back you up a bit.

More could be done to limit whackos getting guns.

I don't know how much these things could reduce senseless violence, bad guys will find ways to get guns anyway... But still!

Edit: When I said "this isn't an argument" I didn't mean to sound like what I was following with was meant to shut you down.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: quintessentone

This isn't an argument. Just thought I'd post this graphic I made years back.



It's based off of Obama's "Now is the Time to Do Something About Gun Violence" thing. All gears connect to the Background Check System. Just thought it an interesting visual. Probably adds nothing to the thread though...

I just like to look at it, lol.

Hey don't do anything about gun violence, just continue whatever you are all doing and don't change a thing.

The issue isn't acknowledgment of the problem.

The issue is that every "solution" yall propose is to remove law abiding American's civil rights.


Tell me, who of the political gun control advocates have disarmed their personal security?

...I'll wait.

All I propose is background checks, mental health checks (red flags?), and minimum training, then go at it. Too unreasonable?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
When is the campaign to trade our guns in for puberty blockers to hand out to kids this Halloween gonna start?

When is the campaign to trade our guns in for puberty blockers to hand out to kids this Halloween, while in drag gonna start?



FIFY

a reply to: quintessentone

background checks

We already have them, nationwide. Also can you define "infringe" for us please?

mental health checks (red flags?)

Red flag laws? Which are a direct violations of the 4th and 5th amendments (also the 2nd) by loopholing due process and right to privacy.

minimum training

Here, I agree. It should be required in the school curriculum starting in elementary school.

2 out of your 3 proposals violate civil rights of law abiding American citizens.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
When is the campaign to trade our guns in for puberty blockers to hand out to kids this Halloween gonna start?

When is the campaign to trade our guns in for puberty blockers to hand out to kids this Halloween, while in drag gonna start?

FIFY

When has Halloween been the predisposition as a requirement for you to dress in drag?!?

a reply to: JinMI

No you don't have background checks with some private sales.

Red flags on some shooters are missed.

We agree on training, for sure.

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: quintessentone

This isn't an argument. Just thought I'd post this graphic I made years back.



It's based off of Obama's "Now is the Time to Do Something About Gun Violence" thing. All gears connect to the Background Check System. Just thought it an interesting visual. Probably adds nothing to the thread though...

I just like to look at it, lol.

Hey don't do anything about gun violence, just continue whatever you are all doing and don't change a thing.

The issue isn't acknowledgment of the problem.

The issue is that every "solution" yall propose is to remove law abiding American's civil rights.


Tell me, who of the political gun control advocates have disarmed their personal security?

...I'll wait.

All I propose is background checks, mental health checks (red flags?), and minimum training, then go at it. Too unreasonable?

There you go with removing people's rights without due process of the law again. Red flag laws are rather unconstitutional. It says so in the Constitution.

a reply to: quintessentone

No you don't have background checks with some private sales.

Are you talking about the gun show loophole which results in less than 1 percent of all gun violence? Yes, we do have background checks. If you were to buy a firearm, you'd know this......


From your Washington quote, I don't know if you're ready for an ought argument versus an IS argument.

But, lets see.

Like free speech, I contend that it's not absolute. For instance things like slander and defamation. When the speech used results in a direct, evidenced, loss of property, then there is recourse.

Regardless of that I think we ought not restrict free speech.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

No you don't have background checks with some private sales.

Are you talking about the gun show loophole which results in less than 1 percent of all gun violence? Yes, we do have background checks. If you were to buy a firearm, you'd know this......


From your Washington quote, I don't know if you're ready for an ought argument versus an IS argument.

But, lets see.

Like free speech, I contend that it's not absolute. For instance things like slander and defamation. When the speech used results in a direct, evidenced, loss of property, then there is recourse.

Regardless of that I think we ought not restrict free speech.

Nope, face to face private sales.

And the same thing applies with free speech, that being disciplined free speech.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge2

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: quintessentone

This isn't an argument. Just thought I'd post this graphic I made years back.



It's based off of Obama's "Now is the Time to Do Something About Gun Violence" thing. All gears connect to the Background Check System. Just thought it an interesting visual. Probably adds nothing to the thread though...

I just like to look at it, lol.

Hey don't do anything about gun violence, just continue whatever you are all doing and don't change a thing.

The issue isn't acknowledgment of the problem.

The issue is that every "solution" yall propose is to remove law abiding American's civil rights.


Tell me, who of the political gun control advocates have disarmed their personal security?

...I'll wait.

All I propose is background checks, mental health checks (red flags?), and minimum training, then go at it. Too unreasonable?

There you go with removing people's rights without due process of the law again. Red flag laws are rather unconstitutional. It says so in the Constitution.

Florida courts say they are constitutional.

a reply to: quintessentone

Nope, face to face private sales.

Explain.

Especially how it relates to speech.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: beyondknowledge2

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: quintessentone

This isn't an argument. Just thought I'd post this graphic I made years back.



It's based off of Obama's "Now is the Time to Do Something About Gun Violence" thing. All gears connect to the Background Check System. Just thought it an interesting visual. Probably adds nothing to the thread though...

I just like to look at it, lol.

Hey don't do anything about gun violence, just continue whatever you are all doing and don't change a thing.

The issue isn't acknowledgment of the problem.

The issue is that every "solution" yall propose is to remove law abiding American's civil rights.


Tell me, who of the political gun control advocates have disarmed their personal security?

...I'll wait.

All I propose is background checks, mental health checks (red flags?), and minimum training, then go at it. Too unreasonable?

There you go with removing people's rights without due process of the law again. Red flag laws are rather unconstitutional. It says so in the Constitution.

Florida courts say they are constitutional.

But have they passed federal courts? The Constitution is federal which overrides state law except where it limits federal law or specifically allows state law.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

Nope, face to face private sales.

Explain.

Especially how it relates to speech.

www.quora.com...

Disciplined free speech would exclude the following, which are not protected: incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child pornography, fighting words, and threats.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge2

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: beyondknowledge2

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: quintessentone

This isn't an argument. Just thought I'd post this graphic I made years back.



It's based off of Obama's "Now is the Time to Do Something About Gun Violence" thing. All gears connect to the Background Check System. Just thought it an interesting visual. Probably adds nothing to the thread though...

I just like to look at it, lol.

Hey don't do anything about gun violence, just continue whatever you are all doing and don't change a thing.

The issue isn't acknowledgment of the problem.

The issue is that every "solution" yall propose is to remove law abiding American's civil rights.


Tell me, who of the political gun control advocates have disarmed their personal security?

...I'll wait.

All I propose is background checks, mental health checks (red flags?), and minimum training, then go at it. Too unreasonable?

There you go with removing people's rights without due process of the law again. Red flag laws are rather unconstitutional. It says so in the Constitution.

Florida courts say they are constitutional.

But have they passed federal courts? The Constitution is federal which overrides state law except where it limits federal law or specifically allows state law.

That is controversial and still being battled over.

a reply to: quintessentone

I'm aware of what disciplined free speech is currently and a few of the laws surrounding it.

Now where firearms we are concerned, lets go with handguns as they are the vast majority of use cases in gun violence.

Most states require both parties register themselves and the firearm for transfer due to sale.
Most states have brandishing, threat, cohersion laws and are amplified for firearms being involved.


Your argument doesn't follow.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: quintessentone

I'm aware of what disciplined free speech is currently and a few of the laws surrounding it.

Now where firearms we are concerned, lets go with handguns as they are the vast majority of use cases in gun violence.

Most states require both parties register themselves and the firearm for transfer due to sale.
Most states have brandishing, threat, cohersion laws and are amplified for firearms being involved.


Your argument doesn't follow.

Read the Quora link and people's experiences.

Anyway, I have to go, but again Lott has shoddy stats and in NRA's pocket, gun ownership needs safety training, shoot 'em up wild west is not a good look.