Will the discovery of antigravity cause WW3?

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The Teardrop

The most aerodynamic shape in the world, the teardrop, comes from nature. With its rounded nose at the front that tapers towards the rear, the shape is formed by the flow of water down an object meeting opposition from the air around it.

The Most Aerodynamic Vehicles Ever Made - University of Bolton

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

They once tried to develop a vehicle known as Pumpkin Seed. On paper it was revolutionary. In the wind tunnel, on a post, it was incredible. In a wind tunnel, free flying, only connected to cables to take readings and try to keep it under control, it was an unmitigated disaster.

Will the discovery of antigravity cause WW3?

No.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I thought that sounded familiar……

It was bought up before in older posts

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Flaming Pumpkin Seeds

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originally posted by: RedPanda94
After doing a lot of research I strongly believe that antigravity actually does exist and that it appears to be the main reason why the military superpowers of the world are keeping the truth about UFOs a secret. There are many fields of study on antigravity done since the 1920s such as Electrogravitics and Magnetohydrodynamics. The main concept in a nutshell is that two magnetic plates counter-rotating on top and below a superconductor metal will create a powerful electromagnetic field causing lift.

I don't see how the military superpowers will allow this technology to be commercialized and fall into the hands of the public. I strongly believe that the day antigravity technology becomes publicly announced will also be the day when world war 3 will start to unfold. I have a strong feeling that those in power would rather start a nuclear war and send human civilization back to the stone age than to risk having this technology fall into the hands of the average person. I seriously hope I'm wrong.

I don’t think “anti-gravity” will start WW3, no.

Do I think it could be used in WW3? Yes.

Though I think the term “anti-gravity” may not be the best term for the system, it does have a good probability of existing IMO.

When will it become commercially available?

Once it is no longer a real or perceived competitive advantage.

The next step is to become invisible or effectively invisible. Once you’re silent or near silent, and invisible or near invisible, I imagine you could deploy all kinds of weapons that would be impossible without that kind of tech. You could also gather intelligence that’s likely infinitely better than what you currently have.

In a way, I’d say the intelligence aspect is way more critical than the destructive force aspect. But that’s another thread for another time.

We will get the tech eventually however - there’s material economic benefit in commercializing it. We’re just not to the point where we can yet, I suspect.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: RedPanda94

Some would argue that Anti-gravity was the end of WW2 .

We brought home many Nazi scientist along with their discoveries and one of those was Anti-gravity . At-least that's what it said in a dusty book I read once that now sits on a shelf

I've always considered Anti-Matter to be the next great discovery , Well to put it more accurately the Stabilization of Anti-Matter.

Anti-Matter Weapons and General use of Anti-Matter as a Power source the potential is near limitless.

So, while the moon landings were being filmed in a basement somewhere, The nazi scientists were further unlocking the secrets of anti-gravity. Cool.

a reply to: RedPanda94

They had the anti gravity and could build very tough armor plated flying disks with great range. The military applications were still limited but they could not let this tech become public. That would be the end of borders, you could fly anywhere and relocate. You could take family trips and thats the end of the commercial air industry which was tied to the IMC. And probably the auto industry. No more stopping for tolls, no more stopping for meals or accomodations , the tourism industry would nose dive.

a reply to: RedPanda94

It's wishful thinking RedPanda94 for my guess.

If we had anti-gravity technology we would be launching man and machine into orbit in a cost-effective manner.

As opposed to using expensive inefficient conventional rockets.

And would have colonised at least low Earth orbit sometime in the last century.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I saw what I thought was a B2 bomber..very low near Grissom AFB in Indiana. Seemed so low and travelling slow it must have had antigrav

originally posted by: RedPanda94
After doing a lot of research I strongly believe that antigravity actually does exist and that it appears to be the main reason why the military superpowers of the world are keeping the truth about UFOs a secret. There are many fields of study on antigravity done since the 1920s such as Electrogravitics and Magnetohydrodynamics. The main concept in a nutshell is that two magnetic plates counter-rotating on top and below a superconductor metal will create a powerful electromagnetic field causing lift.

That video sure looks like a hoax. There's even a comment by @tmedocianis in the comments section that says "11:19-11:23 is a point where he tries to pull it sideways and it resists lateral motion. If it's free floating, then it shouldn't resist that movement at all." That is just one clue among many that it's not a real anti-gravity device, it's a hoax.

People have tried to research a connection between magnetic fields and gravity and never found anything that's been confirmed. There are guys like Eugene Podkletnov allegedly measuring slight reductions in gravity using some kind of rotating device, but even those measurements are questionable (maybe measurement error) and would not allow levitation of an object like in the hoax video by Alexey Chekurkov, since reducing gravity by 2% would still require 98% of the lift required without the 2% gravity reduction device.

Here are a couple of videos showing some of the techniques Alexey Chekurkov uses in his hoaxing, along with editing/cut scenes so he can rule out some suspension method in one scene, then cut to another suspension method in another scene and rule out a different suspension method. So if it was all a continuous live demonstration it might be slightly more convincing, but it's not continuous, it's an edited video so he is just trying to fool people by switching from one suspension method to the other and then editing the different demonstrations together to try to fool people into thinking he's ruled them all out.

Alexey Chekurkov graviflyer analysis and fake scenes 01

In this scene it's suspended by a rod in the ground.



Alexey Chekurkov graviflyer analysis and fake scenes 02

In this scene it's suspended in the air in two different directions, but not directly above so he can wave a branch over the top to show it's not suspended from above without contacting either of the wires suspending it.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
The proof is it flew (hovered) …..

Did it? Apparently he's a good enough illusionist to fool some people, but David Copperfield is supposed to be better. Actually Chekurkov's illusion is terrible in this video where you can see his shadow moving exactly along with the device that's supposedly "flying", meaning he's holding it up with a string.


I can imagine the replies now:
"Ok maybe all those are fakes, but what about this OTHER video he made....?"
Why? Because I've heard exactly the same thing about all of Billy Meier's fakes. Some Meier fans admit that he made a lot of fakes, and still want to claim some other Meier video is real.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Wha da madder for you Arbi?

You didn’t believe the hoola hoop rings test from Alexey?….

Here’s the way magicians do it.



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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I wonder if magicians really hate that guy for revealing their secrets?
In any case, that's a better illusion than Chekurkov's illusions, which are kind of lame and obvious by the odd motions his object makes while suspended, giving clues to the suspension methods.

a reply to: RedPanda94

Bob Lazar already explained how it works...

a reply to: combatmaster

One of the problems associated with Bob Lazar's story is that the isotopes of element 115(Moscovium) we have produced don't seem to release particles of antimatter.

I liked Bobs story all the same.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: RedPanda94

Bob Lazar already explained how it works...

Lazar changed his story dramatically in spite of claims to the contrary. At first he explained in great detail exactly how the propulsion supposedly works, with an explanation that any physicist could see was complete nonsense as explained by this physicist:

After reading an account by Bob Lazar of the “physics” of his Area 51 UFO propulsion system, my conclusion is this: Mr. Lazar presents a scenario which, if it is correct, violates a whole handful of currently accepted physical theories. That in and of itself does not necessarily mean that his scenario is impossible. But the presentation of the scenario by Lazar is troubling from a scientific standpoint. Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories. On no occasion does he acknowledge that his scenario violates physical laws as we understand them, and on no occasion does he offer up any hints of new theories which would make his mechanism possible. Mr. Lazar has a propensity for re-defining scientific terms, and using scientific language in a confusing and careless way. For these reasons, I don’t feel that Lazar’s pseudo-scientific ramblings are really worthy of any kind of serious consideration.

Then Lazar appears on Joe Rogan's show, and Rogan asked him how it worked. Instead of repeating that debunked nonsense pseudoscience explanation Lazar said "I don't know". Yet people don't realize how idiotic they sound when they say Lazar hasn't changed his story, how much more can it change than that?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: combatmaster

One of the problems associated with Bob Lazar's story is that the isotopes of element 115(Moscovium) we have produced don't seem to release particles of antimatter.

Also the half lives of ALL isotopes of element 115 have been predicted, as shown here in the first entry below the isotope number, and none are predicted to be anywhere near stable:



And if there was a stable element 115 it would exist on Earth too. That part of Lazar's explanation that it wouldn't occur on Earth but would exist somewhere else was just more evidence he doesn't understand physics or cosmology:

The next section is a little vague, but he SEEMS to be suggesting that his element 115, the alien fuel source, which doesn’t exist on the Earth, should be present in those solar systems that were more massive at their inception. The implication here is that a star system which condensed out of a more massive primordial cloud should have a greater abundance of heavier elements. This is quite incorrect.

Heavy elements – all elements heavier than iron – are not formed during the normal life cycles of stars. The only time when these nuclei are “cooked” is during the collapse and subsequent explosion of supernovae. The supernova explosion then spreads heavy elements throughout the galaxy. For this reason, the abundances of heavy elements in any particular star system depend NOT upon the properties of the current star, but on the properties of the nearby stars of the PREVIOUS GENERATION! Therefore, all of the star systems in a particular region of the galaxy will have essentially the same abundances of heavy elements, regardless of the mass of star. If element 115 is STABLE, as Lazar claims it to be, then it should be created in supernova explosions and it should exist EVERYWHERE!

So, the real physicist knows real physics, and obviously Bob Lazar and the people who believe him don't know real physics. Quelle surprise!

a reply to: Zaphod58
true. The B-21 though has 'new propulsion technologies' listed as a feature :-)

a reply to: Arbitrageur

That part of Lazar's explanation that it wouldn't occur on Earth but would exist somewhere else was just more evidence he doesn't understand physics or cosmology:

Yeah, i seem to recall him coming away with his element 115 only being able to be ""produced"" in a binary star system or something to that effect, and then alluding to it possibly being Zeta Reticuli.

Perhaps we should stop calling Lazar’s alien element …… Element 115….and instead call it Element XXX as a placeholder for whenever if ever….it materializes.

If the IUPAC (International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry) thought that the purported alien Element 115 existed but was waiting for Lazar or anyone, to produce it from hiding……then perhaps the IUPAC would have reserved the spot for it in the periodic table……..instead we now have Element 115 Moscovium …….and currently we are up to Element 118 Oganesson



We are beyond Element 115…..and it’s not like ….imo….. the IUPAC will somehow swap out the existing Element 115 Moscovium for Lazar’s alien Element 115 (still unnamed) and give Moscovium a different Element number next in line in the periodic table.

Therefore……I decree henceforth forthwith on this day September 12, in the year of our Lord 2023…..Bob Lazar’s Alien Element 115 shall now be known as ….Element XXX…..until such time it is revealed and accepted by the IUPAC as a true extraterrestrial element…at which point it shall be given its name and proper numerical standing next in line on the periodic table, or a special sub-table shall be created for extraterrestrial elements.

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Ophiuchus1.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Therefore……I decree henceforth on this day September 12, in the year of our Lord 2023…..Bob Lazar’s Alien Element 115 shall now be known as ….Element XXX

"Element XXX" eh?

I'm thinking googling that might not be the best of ideas and could be ""problematic"".

Unless we are going to call it "Breastonium".

a reply to: andy06shake

Breastonium…..

I likes that!

It’s just as good as any other name.

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