Your oath doesn't count

a reply to: Halfswede

Jesus if that mushroom sees the problem with this the governor is so far out in left field she couldnt find the reality with 2 hands, a compass a gps and 100 staffers to help her.

a reply to: watchitburn

If you think 2nd is absolute then protest that minors (people too) can't get them legal. And protest that convicts in prison (people too) aren't allowed to be armed in their cells.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: DAVID64

If their State legislature had any integrity she would be impeached on Monday.

Burry her in every conceivable legal manner possible.

Litigate everything she has ever done.

I mean aggressive, no-holds-barred litigation.

And make it a show trial.

That’s how this gets resolved - both now, and in the future.

One more point.

I don’t know if the typical reader her fully appreciates this, but…

The legal system is the “white collar”/“1%er” octagon.

It’s blood sport without blood.

If you do not litigate offensively, and aggressively - you will lose. Guaranteed.

Why do you think Biden weaponized the DOJ?

Because that’s the sharp end of the stick.

People need to really appreciate how true this is.

And that’s why the lovely NM governor needs the tables turned hard core in court.

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: watchitburn

If you think 2nd is absolute then protest that minors (people too) can't get them legal. And protest that convicts in prison (people too) aren't allowed to be armed in their cells.

The 2nd states that a person 17-45 is who are miltia. SO the legal age in the 2nds eyes is 17 to own a gun. Miltia is man portable weapons restricted. If a man can carry it or move it it is a valid weapon short of Artillery when we get into weapons of mass destruction or injury. now a regular ARMY can legally carry what militimen can and higher,such as WMDs,and mass death/injury weapons.
So The 2nd is specific to miltia weapons such as all types of long guns,pistols and small explosives. Its not Unlimited,but its also not to be infringed by a Gov who thinks shes hot crap. And she has done so.

originally posted by: Halfswede
Even gun-control fanatic David Hogg called her out. That says something.

twitter.com...

I support gun safety but there is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution.

It may take a few decades of oppression before people living today will understand why the Constitution was writen that way. To early for that revelation.

a reply to: yuppa

The 2nd states that a person 17-45 is who are miltia

Not stated. Perhaps implied. I don't know what the militia rules were at the time 2nd was ratified along with the other 9 Bills of Rights.

originally posted by: DAVID64
Well, not if you're a Leftist anyway. The governor of New Mexico instituted a gun ban and that was covered by Jinmi in another thread. This is about her being questioned about it's legality.

She was asked if it was Constitutional and had this to say...

www.foxnews.com...

"No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute," she retorted.

Didn't Biden say the same thing not long ago ?

This is the infuriating thing about the Democrats/Leftists. They hide behind the Constitution when it benefits their agenda, but walk all over it when it doesn't. When you take that Oath, whether it be as a soldier or politician, you uphold it. You don't manipulate it to fit your personal feelings.


Shall Not Be Infringed. So simple a child can understand it, but too difficult for the Leftists.

This is all political pantomime & many eat it all up .

a reply to: yuppa

The 2nd states that a person 17-45 is who are miltia.

Nope. The 2nd Amendment says no such thing.
Congress said that.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 16:

[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; . . .

But they didn't say that until 1916

Under the National Defense Act of 1916,5 the militia, which had been an almost purely state institution, was brought under the control of the federal government. The act divided militia of the United States—defined to include all able-bodied male citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied males who have . . . declared their intention to become citizens of the United States between the ages of eighteen and forty-five—

Even then, I guess according to your logic, women didn't have a constitutional right to be armed as a member of a militia. So, thanks for making my point, that the 2nd Amendment isn't absolute.

constitution.congress.gov...

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You're argument is pointless. When you take the constitutional right from everyone, besides police. Your semantics don't even make logical sense. No matter the age or gender. Everyone is everyone. She didn't say only people with green hair.

a reply to: Crumbles

What you think my argument is?
Do you disagree that the 2nd Amendment is not absolute?

Do you disagree that in 1916, Congress defined "The Militia" as being "able bodied men", not women?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

In the original, it says "the Right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms".

Women are people.

a reply to: DAVID64

"the Right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms"

And that's why the slaves were armed, and the owners had no say.

That's why there were no restrictions on arms dealers providing arms to indigenous peoples against whom the US was basically in undeclared war.

a reply to: DAVID64

I agree that the 2nd Amendment has protected a woman's right to bear arms since its inception.

HOWEVER, women were NOT considered part of "The Militia", which was defined by Congress in 1916 as being composed of "able bodied men".

I also agree that New Mexico's governor has gone overboard with her "health emergency" gun ban edict. But governors can and do impose Martial Law from time to time.

She should be publicly hung for treason.

a reply to: Sookiechacha
Cornell disagrees with you about the Age of a miltiaman.

Cornell Law says militia age starts at 17

In July 2021, a federal appeals court ruled that the existing minimum age requirement for purchases from federally licensed gun dealers restricts the rights of law-abiding citizens and draws an arbitrary, unjustified line. The decision finds that 18-year-olds possess a Second Amendment right to gun ownership. However, this ruling does not mean that 18-to-20-year-olds can immediately buy handguns from federal dealers

So I am right on what I posted. The second allows militiamen to be armed as long as its 17-45.

My post was from RESEARCHING btw. It may not SPECIFICALLY say it but you take those things I pointed out and it IS COTUS lawful.

a reply to: yuppa

The second allows militiamen to be armed as long as its 17-45.

No sir.

The text of the Second Amendment reads in full: “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

The 2nd Amendment doesn't have an age qualification, period.

What you are citing is an Act of Congress, granted by Article I, Section 8, Clause 16 of the US Constitution. Not the 2nd Amendment.

But again, thanks for making my point, the 2nd Amendment isn't absolute.

When you live in a country that had an election stolen, a mindless puppet placed in power and decry any people for ignoring the constitution, seems a bit absurd

It was lost a decade or two ago, it’s all over, just arguing over scraps

a reply to: Sookiechacha


10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

(a)The MILITIA of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)The classes of the militia are—

(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14, § 311; Pub. L. 85–861, § 1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, § 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656; renumbered § 246, Pub. L. 114–328, div. A, title XII, § 1241(a)(2), Dec. 23, 2016, 130 Stat. 2497.)


So I am RIGHT and you are wrong here. You Obviously are not getting what I am saying or intentionally ignoiring it.

Normal citizens are UNORGANIZED militia.

Now what part of teh 2nd mentions MILTIA? Hmm i wonder....Gee its so hard to find it.
Oh yeah here it is below..

“A well-regulated MILITIA, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Now we take MILTIA out and look up its meaning. and GASP!! it states in the US code that its made up of GASP AGAIN!! ABle bodies males 17 and above.

Ok now keep up with me here,since the MILITIA is made up of REGULAR PEOPLE AGED 17 and above then by process of elimination and reasoned thought,the 2nd amendment DOES APPEAR to have a age limit regarding the miltia.

Of course i could even prove it in a court of law and you would still say its not so,but this is for the others in the thread anyway.

a reply to: yuppa

I think it can be easily interpreted to mean that any of "the people" can keep and bear arms without infringement SO that the militia can be maintained.

It is like saying, "in order for there to be ample protein to feed a well-regulated militia, the right of the people to keep and grow cattle shall not be infringed upon." The idea that only the militia can keep cattle is not the intent, the idea that cattle raising can't be outlawed is the intent.

I may be totally missing your angle though jumping in like this, so forgive me if that's the case.