At what point does science of climate become religion?

As has been said thousands of times, yes, the climate changes, it always has and it always will. My belief is that we go in cycles much like el nino/la nina and we have 3-4 years between each kind of weather event, and they aren't congruent. Like droughts then rain events, but they don't follow the same pattern as hurricanes hitting the east coast or tornado outbreaks. I base that on life experience and not something learned in science.

But can you trust what you "learned in science"?

www.foxnews.com...

California scientist says he ‘left out the full truth’ to get climate change wildfire study published

Patrick T. Brown, a lecturer at Johns Hopkins University and doctor of earth and climate sciences, admitted in an online article in The Free Press, a blog post and a series of social media posts that he distorted the findings of his studies to appeal to the editors at Nature and Science magazines, which are prestigious online science journals.

"And the editors of these journals have made it abundantly clear, both by what they publish and what they reject, that they want climate papers that support certain preapproved narratives—even when those narratives come at the expense of broader knowledge for society," Brown wrote in The Free Press.

True science accepts any and all reality. You do research, you publish your findings, the chips fall where they may. It's how "truth" works. But we no longer live in that world. And now we get to make this political as well. As if we don't have enough political wedges between us already.
Yes the "R"s don't buy into all of this, for reasons much like I pointed out in the OP. We know we are only getting one side of the story. We continue to see this exemplified in most things propagated by the left.

Conversely, the left seems to enjoy lies, and ignoring facts and truth. (the same can be said about the right with regards to covering for Trump's stupid statements and such, so it's not universally on sided) But much like we have seen with the way politics flows, obvious lies, even lies that have been proven to be lies, are still used since they did such a nice job accomplishing their task before. And with the new "there are no repercussions for doing things illegal and wrong if you are on the left" the ability to lie and cheat is only emboldened and proliferated more widely than before.

We have a serious problem with truth, and the fact that one side of the political spectrum sees it, and one works super hard not to, is a much bigger issue than any other we face. Brain washing is likely the reason. But how do we get past this? Or do we just ignore it and continue down the same path? I'd say until the left is willing to entertain the thought that something is wrong with how this is working, we are doomed. And by doomed, I mean, will will be following whatever agenda is at play here, and end up in a really sh!tty spot in the not so distant future.

So what's the deal, do you enjoy being lied to as long as the lie is told soft and sweet?

If one is over 60 then we know for a fact the weather patterns around our hometown has changed a lot. There was alway snow on the ground from November till the end of February .

The moment they blame things on climate change that can't possibly be related to the weather.

Like racism.

That darn God and its racist monetary policy!

We passed the point of climate change being as silly as religion a while ago.

Indoctrination to control the weak minds.

originally posted by: musicismagic
If one is over 60 then we know for a fact the weather patterns around our hometown has changed a lot. There was alway snow on the ground from November till the end of February .

so almost as if we were emerging from an ice age, right?

Here's the deal: the US was founded as a Christian nation that respects the rights of what you do privately. To address your thread title: I'd quote supreme court justice Potter Stewart "I know it when I see it." So no it's not religion, it's a dangerous ideology, much like communism because it's controlled through a funnel-like system that suppresses critical thought processes.

College degrees were never meant to be a promise of better income, but rather a way to explore critical thinking. That's gone. News was never meant to be propaganda. That's gone. Government institutions were never meant to be weaponized. That's gone. American life was meant to be structured in good values. That's gone.

Take action at your local level now and make it grow. It's all we have.

You know that guy you hate at work because he makes the same money as you but does significantly less? Or maybe more money as a superior? Yell as loud as you can now through local action while you still have what voice you have left. Because if that guy is ever in total control we're all screwed and we're 80% there.

I think you'll find anti-science (backed by the mega-super-rich "Elite") is the religion when it comes to climatology

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: musicismagic
If one is over 60 then we know for a fact the weather patterns around our hometown has changed a lot. There was alway snow on the ground from November till the end of February .

so almost as if we were emerging from an ice age, right?

Except we're not - we stopped that 6,000 years ago. We were starting to cool again ....

But that's using climatological facts rather than religion. And from listening to science rather than the mega-super-rich "Elite".

a reply to: network dude

So why did the scientist sell out then? Where is his integrity? Why could he not prove his theory was the correct one? The publisher was obviously following the narrative of empirical evidence and not an unprovable theory.

I also believe there are cyclical changes but from the many, many studies I have read the changes recorded from the industrial revolution to now are nowhere the rate as cyclical climate change. Are the changes from man's activities, evidence points in that direction and explains why in a manner that seems plausible to me.

the r0thschilds say its religi0n.
just go look at celebz s0cial media.

there is a speech, by a r0thschild, in the late 60s or 70s, where he theorizes ON A STAGE how they can pr0fit from klimate change.

like how bill g8tes theorized on stage how he could pr0fit from factzeeenes.

its ALL a skam, all written down, all planned out, all set in moti0n by the pro-tokols of past centuries.

we are doomed.
they won.

Every single climate model predicting catastrophe for the last 50 years has been embarrassingly wrong.

They've been caught over and over again manipulating data and revising historical records.

It's pretty wild that anyone believes any of BS they keep trying to push.

Science is a religion to some people and people like Fauci and Gates believe themselves to be Gods.alot of the people in the medical and climate industries worship them like the dumb apes they are for any kind of recognition or even the illusion of a little bit of authority.

a reply to: network dude

A failed hypothesis is just as valuable as a successful one.

This kind of story does disgust me and insults the field of science.

climate-change is the precursor to the catastrophe which follows .... so the 'doom'-ster is revealed

as UnAwoke and 'out-on-a-limb' woo-woo fanatic, believing superstition rather than Science or Religion prophecy

a reply to: network dude

The religion is here and it’s not so soft and sweet.

originally posted by: musicismagic
If one is over 60 then we know for a fact the weather patterns around our hometown has changed a lot. There was alway snow on the ground from November till the end of February .

60 years ago they would have said the same thing. But you should be blamed and know it’s all your fault it changed. Feel the shame, the guilt! Like a good catholic, clutch the rosary and drive your ev which is no safer for the environment. Pay tribute to the high priests of carbon credit making billions and committing all the sins you are accused of 10000 fold to grow their empires.

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: musicismagic
If one is over 60 then we know for a fact the weather patterns around our hometown has changed a lot. There was alway snow on the ground from November till the end of February .

so almost as if we were emerging from an ice age, right?

Except we're not - we stopped that 6,000 years ago. We were starting to cool again ....

But that's using climatological facts rather than religion. And from listening to science rather than the mega-super-rich "Elite".

except you are not aware of what you speak. Typical, but sad.

Like all the others, the most recent ice age brought a series of glacial advances and retreats. In fact, we are technically still in an ice age. We're just living out our lives during an interglacial.Feb 18, 2021

linky

kind of proves my point, You are either lying willfully, or you were lied to and just believed it. Do what creams your twinkie, but stop pissing on my leg and claiming it's rain. I know better.

a reply to: watchitburn

Every single climate model predicting catastrophe for the last 50 years has been embarrassingly wrong.

This. Every single model and every single prediction has failed....at what point do you just start to ignore them?

originally posted by: network dude
As has been said thousands of times, yes, the climate changes, it always has and it always will. My belief is that we go in cycles much like el nino/la nina and we have 3-4 years between each kind of weather event, and they aren't congruent. Like droughts then rain events, but they don't follow the same pattern as hurricanes hitting the east coast or tornado outbreaks. I base that on life experience and not something learned in science.

But can you trust what you "learned in science"?

www.foxnews.com...

California scientist says he ‘left out the full truth’ to get climate change wildfire study published

Patrick T. Brown, a lecturer at Johns Hopkins University and doctor of earth and climate sciences, admitted in an online article in The Free Press, a blog post and a series of social media posts that he distorted the findings of his studies to appeal to the editors at Nature and Science magazines, which are prestigious online science journals.

"And the editors of these journals have made it abundantly clear, both by what they publish and what they reject, that they want climate papers that support certain preapproved narratives—even when those narratives come at the expense of broader knowledge for society," Brown wrote in The Free Press.

True science accepts any and all reality. You do research, you publish your findings, the chips fall where they may. It's how "truth" works. But we no longer live in that world. And now we get to make this political as well. As if we don't have enough political wedges between us already.
Yes the "R"s don't buy into all of this, for reasons much like I pointed out in the OP. We know we are only getting one side of the story. We continue to see this exemplified in most things propagated by the left.

Conversely, the left seems to enjoy lies, and ignoring facts and truth. (the same can be said about the right with regards to covering for Trump's stupid statements and such, so it's not universally on sided) But much like we have seen with the way politics flows, obvious lies, even lies that have been proven to be lies, are still used since they did such a nice job accomplishing their task before. And with the new "there are no repercussions for doing things illegal and wrong if you are on the left" the ability to lie and cheat is only emboldened and proliferated more widely than before.

We have a serious problem with truth, and the fact that one side of the political spectrum sees it, and one works super hard not to, is a much bigger issue than any other we face. Brain washing is likely the reason. But how do we get past this? Or do we just ignore it and continue down the same path? I'd say until the left is willing to entertain the thought that something is wrong with how this is working, we are doomed. And by doomed, I mean, will will be following whatever agenda is at play here, and end up in a really sh!tty spot in the not so distant future.

So what's the deal, do you enjoy being lied to as long as the lie is told soft and sweet?

Answering your question, it has already become a religion long time ago.

It's similar to gender where there is a religion/cult we call the gender ideology. It's taking a fact such as climate change to product the climate change ideology. Both of the above are supported by radical left ideologues and leftists who happen to be scientists and have build up a career based on exaggerations, sensationalism, half-truths, and lies.

Btw, I was reading the actual paper before you posted the thread and I was thinking, should I make a thread? It's top news that should have been covered by all mainstream outlets but they don't cover the story. Anyone who has been in academia knows well the publish (sh#t) or perish mentality and the compromise of academic standards.

As least this guy has the integrity to admit it when at the same time most other mediocre scientists don't want to risk their only source of income and then fall into the oblivion....

a reply to: Flatcoat

the truth in that video is enough to make a pretty good point. Sadly, those who need to hear it most, are scared to death something will kill their confirmation bias. it's why they have to go after the kids, the adults have heard the lies for too long and are asking questions now, and the answers sound a lot like the failed predictions.

a reply to: network dude

I don't think "religion" is the appropriate word. "Ideological weapon" ? Yes.

Cheers