How do you define Liberal, Moderate, and Conservative?

Maybe its time we stop labeling ourselves and other people and just vote based on how many policies we agree on with a particular candidate; then go home and wait for the next vote.

I'm a moderate leaning to the conservative side...but I tend to support progressive views when it's in the interest of the general welfare of the public.

Not everything the liberals want is feasible...but it's worth taking note of their issues.

I think more needs to be taken into consideration of rising costs and lack of affordable housing.

I've frequently been called a socialist but conservatives and a fascist by liberals.

Whatever.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: VulcanWerks

Makes me wonder… if “Repubilcans” (I use “” since we’re still defining here) effectively bow-out when not impressed (understandable)… could that specific trait play a role in why Republicans lose at times when they shouldn’t, knowing that Democrats will be unified in voting party line?

For sure .

But it is also how Democrats ended up with Cities Like San Francisco , New York and Los Angeles . Democrats count on those automatic votes and they just keep on with the Plan.

The power of compounding cannot be overstated.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Degradation33

Conservative = Republican

I definitely lean conservative, but I am by no means a republican.

I hate to be pedantic about this, but, please humor me.

What does “lean conservative” mean to you, personally?

originally posted by: dandandat2
Maybe its time we stop labeling ourselves and other people and just vote based on how many policies we agree on with a particular candidate; then go home and wait for the next vote.

The “No Labels” party agrees with you.

You raise a great point.

How many people that you know do you think would say the same thing? Half? All? None? Pi?

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
I'm a moderate leaning to the conservative side...but I tend to support progressive views when it's in the interest of the general welfare of the public.

Not everything the liberals want is feasible...but it's worth taking note of their issues.

I think more needs to be taken into consideration of rising costs and lack of affordable housing.

I've frequently been called a socialist but conservatives and a fascist by liberals.

Whatever.

My observations at scale suggest you’re not alone here.

Not at all.

I’d you had to guess (yes, same question but different point), do you think you’re alone in this or that many people think like you?

a reply to: VulcanWerks

I'm seeing more people every day on the same page.

This is a good thing in my view.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: VulcanWerks

I'm seeing more people every day on the same page.

This is a good thing in my view.

Personally, I think you encapsulated the majority of the western world in one post.

There’s nuance around that, obviously, but within a standard deviation that’s probably most people.

I look at it this way:

If 100 people are “militant” about something and on the news - local/national - you get a sense people must think this way.

Reality is likely far different - but it’s about a narrative tied to an agenda. Not about reality, nor about the moderate nature of the “typical person” - a little left, a little right.

We all just remember the loony ones - who tend to be the loudest.

In any event, history doesn’t favor the fringes of the bell curve - and certainly not ultimately.

The darned dismal science of economics told us long ago that, in terms of most things, averages are preferred to extremes.

So, being moderate and chilling out wins the day. 😎

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
A Democrat is a Democrat is a Democrat and will vote Democrat simply to avoid voting for a Conservative.

Define Democrat today. It seems anyone not far-left is a far-right Republican. We can say 90% of the population is a silent majority so we need to look at who are the squeaky wheels in pushing the narratives. If the pushed liberal narratives as what we see today are on an extreme end then we need to think about the moderates and independents as to how they view that type of narrative.

For example, all my gay friends see what is going on with the alphabet community as a true atrocity that they do not support. What the progressive liberal has been pushing is not popular, but we need to remember most are not vocal in their disagreement.

originally posted by: VulcanWerks
I wonder if we are all speaking the same language.

The media talks about “democrats”, “Liberals”, “MAGA”, “Progs” etc.

However, I cannot define a singular source of truth that is universally agreed up that defines any of these buckets.

The lack of definition almost certainly means there is material confusion around what each group actually thinks, does, believes in, behaves like.

Without that broad understanding, society is adrift. They don’t know the entirety of a “party’s” beliefs. There is no nuance. No understanding that a moderate Dem is very different from a progressive liberal, and a moderate Republican is different from a “MAGA” die-hard.

Given we have many people who pay attention to politics, my question is as they title says:

How do YOU define progressive/Dem/moderate/conservative/Republican/etc. ?

No right or wrong answers here.

I’ll share my thoughts in a moment but, just as a matter of precaution so as not to get us off track, I’ll wait for a moment to chime in.

Mods: I posted this in “Dissecting Disinformation” because I can’t ignore the possibility the true understanding of beliefs and values of different political groups have been intentionally blurred and that the binary “Progressive v. MAGA” world is intentional. It could be a natural phenomenon, and one could build a case around that, but you can’t ignore this could be intentional - thus, disinformation.

What do you think, ATS? Definitions? Thoughts?

That's a great question.

I consider myself moderate.
Past co-workers have considered me conservative. Neighbors have called me liberal.
I work in the liberal arts.

There is no hold fast definition to party beliefs.

There is certainly a faction that has been quite vocal over the last decade, that I would suggest are labeled (or self labeled) progressive. Which I would associate with capital communism. (The type that want all the pay, just for making it to work to watch youtube). Typically with them doing less than the bare minimum of their job but expecting all the perks of doing the best.
You could also say the trophy generation.

And then the MAGA, who try to work to better them and their co-workers. Literately "Make America great again."

As far as dem, vs repub? There is no hard and fast rule as which is more conservative.

If I look at my older generation, I see folks on both side of the Isle wishing different outcomes on many different fronts.

I think the question is not correct.
You are asking for a definition of what do factions support when The true question is what should the western Society support.

That's where I see a flaw in your OP.

I talk to to many opinionated people every day working in the arts and working at a UC.
But most folk are willing to have a logical discussion, even if we disagree.
There is a rare few that will not discuss, and will take umbrage if you disagree.

This is where the issue lies.

originally posted by: VulcanWerks

originally posted by: dandandat2
Maybe its time we stop labeling ourselves and other people and just vote based on how many policies we agree on with a particular candidate; then go home and wait for the next vote.

The “No Labels” party agrees with you.

You raise a great point.

How many people that you know do you think would say the same thing? Half? All? None? Pi?

I'd like to think more than one would assume. It's just not comfortable to tell people your opinions anymore.

originally posted by: AnrkEE
The woke, the blind and the supid? am i right? what do i win?

turns out supid is as supid does.

i dont even feel bad, just dont call me a liberal. they put the t in stupid. They cheated and had to look it up, called it so many times

a reply to: VulcanWerks

1. Insane
2. Spineless
3. Lacking Conviction

There's us guys, them guys, and all those other guys who need to wake up.

I know that sounds factious,but is it really?

I dont like the terms, personally and in my experience most people I have encountered are conservative on some things, actually liberal on others (and not whats called liberal now a days).

IF I had a gun to my head and had to define or else.

Conservative; closer to the founding fathers way of thinking so pro constitution.

traditional liberal; you do you, ill do me lets let each of us find our own way to happiness.

Modern liberal; Modern day version of the brown shirts.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
I dont like the terms, personally and in my experience most people I have encountered are conservative on some things, actually liberal on others (and not whats called liberal now a days).

IF I had a gun to my head and had to define or else.

Conservative; closer to the founding fathers way of thinking so pro constitution.

traditional liberal; you do you, ill do me lets let each of us find our own way to happiness.

Modern liberal; Modern day version of the brown shirts.

What About the " Fence Sitters " Mate ?

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

Without that broad understanding, society is adrift. They don’t know the entirety of a “party’s” beliefs. There is no nuance. No understanding that a moderate Dem is very different from a progressive liberal, and a moderate Republican is different from a “MAGA” die-hard.

In the End there are only two . Because we are presented with only Two choices Democrat or Republican the Illusion of Choice ...
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Yeah what about those born as democrats but then later identify as republicans and vice versa? Transocrats and transpubs?

Because when it comes to getting shafted by the perverted government they need to know what exactly you identify as.

originally posted by: VulcanWerks
I wonder if we are all speaking the same language.

The media talks about “democrats”, “Liberals”, “MAGA”, “Progs” etc.

I do know that the US definition of liberal is different to the definition used in the rest of the world.

And their left wing is what most countries would define as being right of centre ....

a reply to: pthena

It would be nice if Conservative meant interested in Conserving Liberal Democracy.

What country do you live in ?
The pure definition of the words conservative vs. liberal shows the 2 are diametrically opposed .
And the US is a Republic (controlled) , not a Democracy .
A true Democracy is defined as near mob rule .

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: VulcanWerks
I wonder if we are all speaking the same language.

The media talks about “democrats”, “Liberals”, “MAGA”, “Progs” etc.

I do know that the US definition of liberal is different to the definition used in the rest of the world.

And their left wing is what most countries would define as being right of centre ....

This is a very important point that many in the US don’t understand.