Federalist Society Co-Founder on Disqualification of Donald Trump

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Mahogany

Yeah, I actually posted Section 3 of the 14th Amendment stating that this is what would be used to bar Trump from running.

Most anti-Wanting America to be Great people are salivating over this.

It's been discussed for a few years now, three to be exact, and it's been applied in court already. It should be no surprise to anyone.

What is surprising is that it's all republican legal minds leading the charge. I did not expect this, but it's actually good. You have to clean your own house.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: yuppa

it would have to be insurrection or rebellion which trump is not even charged with.

Eugene Debs was in prison for sedition, and ran for president in 1920.

I got the names confused. The new mexico rep is who I was actually talking about.

a reply to: Threadbare

There's nothing in there that mentions a conviction. And at least one court in the nation concurs. Couy Griffin was banned from holding office due to his role in J6.

Thats what the 5th amendment is for.

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a reply to: abe froman

omehow these legal "experts" are claiming due process is not necessary and criminal punishment can be meted out without a guilty verdict or even a trial.

Due Process? Not being considered to eligible by Secretaries of States to be listed on their states' ballots as a candidate for President of the United States of America isn't a deprivation of "life, liberty or property".

a reply to: yuppa

he was was pointing out it was his appeal was struck down because pf procedure.

plus he wasn't he convicted for insurrection or rebellion, he was convicted of trespass and not guilty of disorderly conduct.
the judge in the case expressed his opinion it was a insurrection and not just a riot. he was not convicted for insurrection or rebellion.

Couy Griffin, a county commissioner in Otero County, N.M., was charged with two counts: entering a restricted area and engaging in disorderly conduct. Griffin was found guilty of entering the restricted area and acquitted of the disorderly conduct charge.
Cowboys for Trump' leader is given a mixed verdict in his Jan. 6 Capitol riot trial

to the best of my knowledge, none have been charges with insurrection, or rebellion most serious i've seen is seditious conspiracy, and as it pointed Debs ran for president while in prison.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: abe froman

omehow these legal "experts" are claiming due process is not necessary and criminal punishment can be meted out without a guilty verdict or even a trial.

Due Process? Not being considered to eligible by Secretaries of States to be listed on states' ballots as a candidate for President of the United States of America isn't a deprivation of "life, liberty or property".

Innocent until proven guilty.

I know, tough pill to swallow.

a reply to: Mahogany

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a reply to: JinMI

Innocent until proven guilty.

Nice platitude, but it's not a right guaranteed by the US Constitution.

Due process isn't required for any Secretary of State to declare Trump ineligible, per the 14th Amendment, and refuse to list him on their ballots.

It would be on Trump to sue/appeal the decision(s), all the way up to the US Supreme Court. When it gets there, will the fact that there are amicus briefs filed on behalf of the states' rejecting Trump by The Federalists Society heavy hitters hold weight with the justices? That's the question.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Nice platitude, but it's not a right guaranteed by the US Constitution.

Tell me you don't understand due process without telling me you dont understand due process.....


Another thread where you lower the general IQ by double digit points Sookie.

Due process isn't required for any Secretary of State to declare Trump ineligible, per the 14th Amendment, and refuse to list him on their ballots.

Do you know how stupid this argument is?

Because I give you an arbitrary label, that means that you lose your rights.

That's how stupid your argument is.

a reply to: Mahogany

Not too long ago we read a long paper from two conservative legal professors and scholars

So a few Pence fanbois got together and wrote a paper ?
Modus operandi ?

originally posted by: Mahogany
Not too long ago we read a long paper from two conservative legal professors and scholars arguing Trump was disqualified from ever holding office again, or even running for one. Those two professors, Baude and Paulsen, are part of the Federalist Society, an ultra-conservative legal group that has been shaping our judicial branch for decades, all the way up to the Supreme Court.
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All of these people currently pushing for Trump's disqualification are Republicans. They're all hardcore conservatives. The legislator up in NH that Sununu shut down is also a republican. He wanted to start the process to keep Trump off NH ballot. That won't happen, for now. But we have to acknowledge that it is the republicans leading this charge -- and it is the only way it can happen.

Sadly you just can't quite wrap your head around the fact that there are a lot of RINOs that hate Trump.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Mahogany

Not too long ago we read a long paper from two conservative legal professors and scholars

So a few Pence fanbois got together and wrote a paper ?
Modus operandi ?

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a reply to: JinMI

Tell me you don't understand due process without telling me you dont understand due process.....

Tell me how not having his name listed on any state's ballot, because of perceived ineligibility per the 14th Amendment, denies Trump of life, liberty or property?

Do you know how stupid this argument is?

It's the same argument that's being made by the Federalist Society heavy hitters. Tell it to them.

Because I give you an arbitrary label, that means that you lose your rights.

What rights, specifically? And, there's nothing arbitrary about this.

Why not just put up a candidate that is better? Why all the shady stuff and underhanded technicality efforts? If the people don't want him so badly, they won't vote for him. Why not let the people decide who to elect? Why such a hard concept?

Seems pretty anti-democratic to try and disqualify, remove from ballots, or other childish tactics against political opponents. Seems like a previous president was impeached for just suggesting an investigation happen.

a reply to: Halfswede

Seems pretty anti-democratic to try and disqualify, remove from ballots, or other childish tactics against political opponents. Seems like a previous president was impeached for just suggesting an investigation happen.

it's because orange man bad and causes butt hurt feelz still when he rags on twits on the X now.
that and he's didn't play the global game like they wanted.

a reply to: Gothmog

"Pence fanbois" that have a lot of influence with the courts. For example, the chairman of the Federalist Society is Leonard Leo. Leo is good friends with Clarence Thomas and was involved in helping Thomas with his Supreme Court nomination hearing.

In fact, Leo has been involved with the nomination of every Conservative Justice currently sitting on the Supreme Court.