Christians vs. Catholics

Placing a "Saint" at their heavenly gate; instead of the angel with the sword of flame that the others have there.

As an observer of that... Change?

What do those two in the title expect of people not them?

a reply to: Crowfoot

Christians vs. Catholics

I need some clarification

Do you think Catholics aren't Christians? If Catholics aren't Christians, what are they?

What do those two in the title expect of people not them?

God if I know!!

a reply to: Crowfoot

Not sure what you’re trying to get at here.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Crowfoot

Christians vs. Catholics

I need some clarification

Do you think Catholics aren't Christians? If Catholics aren't Christians, what are they?

What do those two in the title expect of people not them?

God if I know!!

Christendom uses the name of Christ but they are not real Christians. Jesus gave an illustration about this and told us how an apostacy in the real Christian congregation would develop:

“The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26 When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27 So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse.’”-Matthew 13:24-30.

Jesus is the master. The field is the world of humankind. The seed is the kingdom gospel he preached. He sowed the fine seed by preaching abroad about the kingdom of God. He is of course the king of that kingdom government. It is a heavenly one and it will bring untold blessings to humankind when it comes to earth and does its will here as it has been done in heaven.

Now in the night, that is when Jesus returned to heaven, an enemy, that is Satan the Devil sowed weeds among the wheat. The wheat are genuine anointed Christians. The weed is an imposter Christian. They may appear similar. In fact the weed Jesus was referring to looks much like wheat while they are young.

Now the harvest of the wheat would happen during the time of the end. So God would allow fake Christians to dominate genuine* ones until the time of the end. Then a harvest work would commence. This happened after Jesus was enthroned king in heaven in 1914. He started to collect his genuine anointed Christian congregation out of the world and separate them from false Christians. These became known as Jehovah's Witnesses. They restored pure worship by the grace of God's holy spirit to its proper place, getting rid of false dogma, pagan celebrations celebrated in the guise of holiness, and a separation of a clergy and a laity.

Jehovah has used his anointed Christian congregation in this time of the end to expose the error of false Christianity and their clergy. They expose the clergy of Christendom, and many who perform powerful works in the name of Christ as the "worker of lawlessness" foretold to come during the apostasy over the centuries, that really began when the Pagan Roman Emperor Constantine made the apostate form of Christianity known as Catholicism the State religion.

"21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"-Matthew 7:21-23.

"Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deceptive influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."-2 Thessalonians 2:8-12.

a reply to: Crowfoot

Eh!, what difference is there a Christian is a Christian as long as you believe in Christ as the only begotten son of God who God gave for us to save us, that goes for all denominations except some that are arguably NOT Christians and actually flaunt the Lords title as there own name AKA witness's and even they for all there cult flaws are arguably still Christians albeit.

Catholic's are surprisingly almost identical in there cannon and belief to the OLDEST continuous and unbroken Christian church in the world also often called the Church of James or Antioch of the East and that is the Syriac Orthodox church which the vile devil's army known as Isis tried to wipe out when they attacked Maalula in modern Syria, did you know that Syria is actually the nation that was the first in the world to adopt Christianity as it's state religion? before the Roman empire did in fact.

Due to there persecution they looked around for support due to persecution but due to certain long standing grievances with the Greek Orthodoxy the persecuted remnants of the Oldest church did not join them due to the fact the Greek Orthodox had in the past always argued with points of interpretation with them and tried to muscle them into becoming subservient but instead they found the CATHOLIC doctrine although they have there own leader was almost identical to the point of being identical in fact though they practice there services in ARAMAIC the language that CHRIST himself spoke day to day in his life although they use the Syriac dialect of Aramaic the difference is a bit like Scot's and English speaking the same language with with a few differences notably in pronunciation, sadly Aramaic though still spoken in Maalula were there is a great statue of the mother of Jesus over the town is now a fading language becoming only a scholarly language as it is replaced by Arabic today, did you know also that many of the STOLEN poetry passages in the Muslim Koran were actually originally about Jesus (Yeshua) and were altered by the Muslim Scholars that stole them from the Aramaic Christians.

Also as for the Virgin Mary her true title is GEBIRAH look it up, it goes like this in Jewish tradition it is NOT the WIFE of the King that is the Second most powerful person within the Kingdom (Remember JESUS is the holder of the Throne of David and is the KING) but his MOTHER and Gebirah or Queen Mother is the title.

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When Protestantism was founded though it was partially justified due to the need to put the gospel into the language people spoke it made MANY errors, even old Martin Luthor despite the bloody wars and death his legacy caused was ranting and raving like a man possessed by a demon on his death bed, how unchristian but sadly so many seem to think he was some kind of Saint despite his sin, I can't judge him and would never do so but I do disagree with much that his legacy has caused but God put him there as a catalyst.

I Believe in God and that Jesus is his son and is also God along with the Father and the Holy Spirit in the unity of the holy trinity.

I will not divide my lord's flock like a wolf and all Christians of all denomination are my brothers and sisters, protestants, Anglican's (my Mothers church - just Catholics that broke away from the Papacy and made allegiances with the Protestants but watered down for all that though you will note that while understated most Anglican church's have a painting at least of the Virgin Mary (Mariam) in them), Catholic's and Syriac Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox you name it, I am a bit suspicious of the Mormons but believe that other than there polygamy which is against Christs own word they mostly have their heart in the right place even to the point of trying to record every person alive in this world thinking probably wrongly that they are saving people by doing this.

SO? who benefits by attacking and dividing Christians, only the Devil but in fact he does not only his deranged followers do and in fact they too fail.

a reply to: Topcraft

Not sure what you’re trying to get at here.

Possible hint: Matt. 16:18 vs Gen. 3:24.

a reply to: pthena

Because you guys are ramble n....(slams door)...

originally posted by: Crowfoot
Placing a "Saint" at their heavenly gate; instead of the angel with the sword of flame that the others have there.

As an observer of that... Change?

What do those two in the title expect of people not them?

They are both Christians
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a reply to: LABTECH767

SO? who benefits by attacking and dividing Christians, only the Devil but in fact he does not only his deranged followers do and in fact they too fail.

Christians are attacking and dividing Christianity constantly, even on this thread....so By your logic, Who's the Devil?

Ecclesiastes is the Orthodox Catholic book that Christians wrote for them if they are interested. Before being asked I doubt anyone other than a woman would offer a Latin version so please don't ask.

It's a discuss among yourselves as it is a conspiracy to put a saint outside of your heavens instead of an angel to cut the devil down... All it means is when you reach the seventh heaven they enter your house as god and become a devil to it.

People not either of those two are effected by it... So conciser it a plea for them asking you people to fix it.

P.S. The Buddha expected to arrive named Maitreya is a woman the anti Christ person will call her a whore of Babylon since you people are both interested in Identifying him.

As soon as he does though hell will open up.

a reply to: Crowfoot

I don't know where specifically you are going but following the Roman Catholic Church after 1500 is interesting.

First Martin Luther nailed some proclamation to a door and then King Henry XIII felt slighted by The Pope and split off. One in 1517, one in 1534. But there is a world of difference in their progeny. Both Christians, completely different feel today.

Like hardcore Lutherans vs Anglicans (Episcopalians) today.

If identifying by my ordination, I'm a heretic to the former. The insta-ordination that pagans, atheists, and Satanists use (ULC - Over 25 million strong) to marry their friends legally.

Shunning absolute gospel, and choosing to consider it all an attempt by people to convey the same intrinsic thing about the world lensed subjectively?

Fundimentalists dont trust that one bit. Universalist nondual demon heretic be gone! Where as Episcopalians freaking adore that view, even with the non-duality.

It's been my experience with other denominations that varied interpretations are less allowed the more fundimentalist things get. The more set on the red words, the more likely they are to not accept variance.

Let alone legal 'clergy' saying, "Well, why can't you compare God's bush appearance to Moses and Avatar Krishna's multiversal appearance to Sanjay? Why can't you compare common motifs to arrive at a universal common denominator of world religion?"

You'd be surprised how much that can be condemned.

Some schools of Christianity have long split from The Roman Catholic Church, and then amongst themselves so many time now, you have the complete spectrum of interpretation and application in play.

a reply to: Crowfoot

The Buddha expected to arrive named Maitreya

Are you saying the Buddhist Maitreya or some other Maitreya?
If Buddhist, which school of Buddhism?

Many have come claiming to be Maitreya.

If Maitreya comes to teach Dharma, is it Hindu dharma or Buddhist dharma. I don't think they are the same.

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What can Christians and/or Catholics do exactly to change guardian of the gate? Does a change in creed do that?

Catholics

a reply to: olaru12

Denominations of Christians and even original different church's (based on where they were not on ideological differences initially) and even the apostles themselves did not agree on everything but despite these different understandings at first they kept there teachings and traditions intact.

Yes there ARE misguided people that think they are doing right attacking Christians of other denominations but in fact they are not doing right.

However is a person is happy in one denomination and not in another then so be it, as long as it brings them to Christ.

Debate and argument within the denominations help's to keep the faith active and lively as well so in fact it is not all negative but has it's up sides.

Remember as well Saul who became Paul was an enemy of the church before his conversion, he was a devout Jewish believer that persecuted Jewish Christians because he believed they were wrong until his conversion.

We all have our own scales on our eye's and only God can give us true insight.

The greatest enemy's of the church are those that do not serve Christ but pretend to, pervert's, men that just want money and power the faith has suffered them all and in every denomination, good pastors and good priests and good bishop's and good popes have always been accompanied by bad ones throughout the history of the church.

This is a discuss amongst yourselves thread.

So please dont talk your religious convictions at me as; I'm neutral to it... despite the self congratulatory stars agreeing with each other instead of solving: Why... As an angel guarding or a saint guarding creates a discord not a solution.


If a Catholic saint or not is going to have an attitude at Christians? Is that the flaming sword?

As that death was serving the Jews and the throne not the Christians that followed.

Same way politics once known? There is A lot of service or not service when in essence it is all self serving.... Where the law is the orthodox trying to change it is in essence no different than mentioned previously. As if there are two heavens to serve with one gate.

I just saw an inconsistency between the belief and pointed it out; Hence the reasoning for the OP.

Christians vs. Catholics

Catholics ARE Christians. BTW - the Bible was written and put together by CATHOLIC men in 397 AD at the CATHOLIC Council of Carthage. The bible is a CATHOLIC book. Chew on that for a while.

a reply to: Crowfoot

I can give quotes from Christian Canon, that's all I can do. I don't know why the Christians haven't already done it.

Matthew 16:18 Peter is the rock, not the gate, not the gatekeeper. Catholics and other Orthodox Christians who practice Apostolic Succession will have to explain the sealing on Earth and sealing in heaven.

Ephesians 2:20 Apostles make up part of the foundation. Not the gate, not the gatekeeper.

John 10:09 Jesus speaking: "I am the Gate"

Revelation 21:27 No unclean thing will enter.
There's no explanation of how the unclean are kept out. Perhaps all unclean things have been burned up beforehand.

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I don't know why the Christians couldn't have strung these verses together.

a reply to: pthena

This is a discuss amongst yourselves thread.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Nope.