Ukrainian military lands briefly in Crimea as part of a special operation

originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex
a reply to: alldaylong

Ah yes, it must be true!

According to the British Army-linked think tank

link

/sarcasm

If it makes you happier thinking that is not true, then so be it.

Since we are doing a British humor special here I'm going to throw in this gem:

Overgrown weeds slowing Ukraine's counter-offensive, UK defence intelligence reports

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: putnam6

Good point Putnam the distance is a long way. The analyst pointed out that Crimea is actually a massive area to defend. He said at the moment it is only lightly defended, to ensure no infiltration then part of the offensive force headed towards Kharkov might be needed and redeployed to Crimea.

I don't know if Crimea should be classified as lightly defended, perhaps it was lightly defended in that area. Perhaps Russia didn't expect a small team amphibious special operation. But they have extensive defenses in Crimea, keep that in mind when and if Ukraine tries to expel Russia from the peninsula, it's not going to be easy. Especially needing the 3-1 attacking force ratio at minimum. We haven't even discussed the Naval base which is defended to the hilt

www.rferl.org...

www.navalnews.com...

Russia Sees Crimea Under Threat
Independent defense analyst Benjamin Pittet told Naval News that the new defenses are part of a wider effort to fortify Crimea: “Russian ships have been patrolling more often near the Kerch Strait these past weeks. On the ground, they’ve been setting up a large amount of trenches around key locations. Air-wise, they are becoming more aggressive regarding NATO intelligence missions.”

The attack comes as Ukrainian forces are reported to have advanced across the Dnipro River north of Crimea. Pittet believes that the increased defenses show that Russia is scared of any potential action against Crimea. As well as investing a lot of resources into trench building in the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, there are even trenches across the southern tip of Crimea, near Feodesia.

He also notes that there are now multiple batteries of air defenses around Sevastopol. “They have been moving air defenses around for months now, they are not static, they keep moving. In the city, but also around Belbek airbase.”

Whether the latest Ukrainian maritime drone attack was intercepted because of the new defenses remains to be seen. It is possible that, knowing of these defenses, Ukraine deliberately targeted outside the harbor. Either way this attack should be seen in the wider context of an expected Ukrainian counter-offensive. What it shows is that Russia will have to continue to invest in protecting its bases on Crimea.

Losing ground is not losing the war. The Ukrainian troops are being wiped out this summer.
The Russians are dug in, have multiple trench and defence fortifications on Ukrainian soil with no signs of heavy losses. The Ukes are taking the L here my brah,

a reply to: alldaylong

a reply to: JAY1980

'Meanwhile ignoring 400,000 dead Ukranian soldiers..."

Not this again?

Any source for this wild claim?

Or any reason to bring Trump up in this thread?

"War pigs in the Pentagon '?

Nothing to do with the war pig in the Kremlin?

I'm not seeing any hate on here for ordinary Russians.

What I am seeing is a massive amount of hate for the US and the West from your good self.

"400,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers"??!!!!!

Yeah, right........

a reply to: cookadafood

The Ukrainian troops are being wiped out this summer.

Words are cheap.

Finding factual evidence for that is more difficult. Over to you.

Losing ground is not losing the war.

You maintain that Ukranian trops are being " Wiped out " , but at the same time they are taking back ground.

Russia must be having larger loses then by your logic. Or are they just running away ?

a reply to: cookadafood

It's not going to plan though, is it?

a reply to: putnam6

Not to pile on
'But'
The Doolittle raid had HUGE consequences beyond morale. To protect the Home Islands, Japan had to expand their defensive perimeter out hundreds of miles, forcing a lot their of forces from offense to defense. This also forced them to defend this western perimeter, giving the US more targets closer to US forces. Check it out.

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I’m sure there will be faults found in every source, but it appears to be consistent that the Ukrainians are losing the overall war.
Peace talks would be a good idea for everyone except those who profit from war.

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a reply to: alldaylong

Does it have to go to plan in a war? I highly doubt you would follow Plan A all the way no matter the outcome so why would anyone?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

a reply to: cookadafood

Well, I don't think a grinding bogged down WW1 type of Special Military Operation was part of Putin's plan which is what I meant?

Was military disaster part of the plan?

Was there a Plan B?

originally posted by: cookadafood
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I’m sure there will be faults found in every source, but it appears to be consistent that the Ukrainians are losing the overall war.
Peace talks would be a good idea for everyone except those who profit from war.

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a reply to: alldaylong

You need to find a reliable source or at least someone who knows what he's talking about. A Bedroom strategist is not the way to go.

Here are a couple of his works.

Russia will have a million troops fighting in Ukraine by last December. Wrong



Kherson offensive fails. Wrong.

a reply to: putnam6

I think it's a signal of intent and yeah a certain amount of thumbing of noses toward the occupier.

Good for them.

I’m sure they would have multiple plans and adjustments to plans based on real time situations. To think otherwise would be absurd and not logical.
We all adjust plans based on real time situations. Do you go home empty handed if your grocery store is out of stock or do you plan b go to the other store and fulfill your needs?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

a reply to: cookadafood

Not the greatest of analogies?

a reply to: putnam6

My guess is this isn't their first visit. Probably been plenty of 'calling cards' in the form of dead Russian sentries over the last two years.

Cheers

But you do understand, right?


a reply to: Oldcarpy2

a reply to: cookadafood

Yes, thanks.

By the way, the Special Military Operation was absurd and not logical.

As time has told us.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

All that Russian coastline in the Black Sea.

Ukraine could profit from reading up on the SOE.

Cheers

originally posted by: TheBoomersRBusted
a reply to: putnam6

Not to pile on
'But'
The Doolittle raid had HUGE consequences beyond morale. To protect the Home Islands, Japan had to expand their defensive perimeter out hundreds of miles, forcing a lot their of forces from offense to defense. This also forced them to defend this western perimeter, giving the US more targets closer to US forces. Check it out.

pile away LOL with "what" exactly "HUGE" occidental personal opinions?

It was infinitely more important psychologically for the Americans, while it just pissed off the Japanese

Japan pulled away 4 army groups, and yeah I've read where it caused this or that, perhaps leading to the Battle of Midway. Midway wasn't certain of victory and if they hadn't deciphered the Japanese radio traffic, who knows how Midway would have turned out regardless

www.britannica.com...

While the raid did little damage, it greatly bolstered U.S. morale and caused the Japanese to shift precious resources to air defense.

Considering the Allies didn't actually massively bomb the home Islands again till 1944, it took a helluva lot more grunt work than Doolittle's Raid to accomplish the actual bombing of Tokyo. Not to mention

Doolittle's Raid led to massive reprisals against the Chinese, like the Rape of Nanking numbers for the next 3 months.

www.britannica.com...

The later U.S. bombing campaign against mainland Japan was slow to start. The arrival of B-29 Superfortress bombers in 1944 gave the Americans the range to reach Japanese cities, first from bases in China and then from Pacific islands. Bombing raids were conducted on the same lines as U.S. operations in Europe: high-altitude attacks in daylight seeking to strike industrial and military targets. However, a combination of mechanical failures, formidable Japanese air defenses, and strong jet-stream winds made such bombing inaccurate and the losses substantial.

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While the Japanese navy was fighting for its survival, the Japanese army was carrying out a terrifying campaign of reprisals in southeastern China. The Second Sino-Japanese War had reached something of a stalemate in 1942, but the Doolittle Raid highlighted the threat posed by airfields in Nationalist-controlled territory along the Chinese coast. Within days of the raid, Japanese planners began formulating a campaign to neutralize the airfields and punish those who had aided the Americans. In early June 1942 the Japanese launched an offensive into Chekiang and Kiangsi (Jiangxi), and the brutality directed at the civilian population drew comparisons to the Nanjing Massacre. Trinkets and souvenirs left by grateful Americans—parachutes, cigarettes, pieces of military kit—doomed entire villages, as the Japanese would judge all the residents as having been complicit. Japanese bombers devastated Chuchow, and Kiangsi’s provincial capital of Nancheng (Nanchang) was razed, its population annihilated. It was estimated that some 250,000 civilians were killed during the three-month reprisal campaign. As the Japanese army prepared to withdraw from Chekiang and Kiangsi, members of its infamous germ warfare program, Unit 731, moved in. They seeded the area with dysentery, typhoid, and cholera, and disease ravaged those who had survived the initial Japanese attacks. In 2018 a museum commemorating the Doolittle Raid and celebrating the Chinese villagers who had aided the American air crews was opened in Chuchow (Quzhou).

Here's the article that changed my mind a bit about the raid. Not saying it shouldn't have been attempted but when a quarter of a million innocent people lose their lives, it changes the perspective.

Yes, it was the ultimate American payback, come hell or high water. But if you can extrapolate the far-flung consequences led to a quicker victory the Allies were likely to achieve anyway, can't we extrapolate that the Nationalist movement took the brunt of the brutal reprisals following the Doolittle raid in China, possibly causing their eventual loss to the communists.

thediplomat.com...