The remarkable Pascagoula Alien Abduction case

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

You call John Mack famous, but I would say his flawed alien abduction research made him infamous, rather than famous, because hypnosis was already known to be a severely flawed tool when he used it and relied on it extensively, which destroyed his reputation among his colleagues. I think most abductees believe what they say, but John Mack apparently even believed a woman who pretended to be an abductee and lied.

Only that it isn't. J. Mack research on abduction isn't a proper "abduction research" it is more like a cross-over between spiritual therapy and abdcutees. Now, it is strange and bizarre ppl call Mack on this subject, knowing full well he is a very marginal figure on the subject. If you are from the field you would mention Hopkins, Jacobs, Fowler, Carpenter, and so forth. Why bring up the flawed guy for once?
Then it comes to hypnoses as a "flawed" technique, which is not by any stretch. There isn't much difference between reports without or with hypnotic regression. Cases with multiple witnesses using hypnotic regression showed only very minor contradictions. Taking the Allagash abductions as an example.
Now there is a lot to say regarding the scenarios that the abductees are exposed. They seemed to be exposed to some type of immersive virtual reality, and that is very consistent, the whole MILAB can clearly be explained this way.
Hypnoses can fully recover most of these imagetic messages and experiences perpetrated by this Other Intelligence, to try to stop hypnoses as a means of research is a way of obstructing and obfuscating research, and we should reject that immediately. All alien experiences involve some type of mind manipulation, if one wants to make only "pure assessments" then research will just end altogether. Kind of tired of this obstruction BS.

I wished also to include the work of Sprinkle and Turner as researcher that used hypnoses to a great effect.

originally posted by: flamengo
Only that it isn't. J. Mack research on abduction isn't a proper "abduction research" it is more like a cross-over between spiritual therapy and abdcutees. Now, it is strange and bizarre ppl call Mack on this subject, knowing full well he is a very marginal figure on the subject. If you are from the field you would mention Hopkins, Jacobs, Fowler, Carpenter, and so forth. Why bring up the flawed guy for once?

I'm not the one who brought up John Mack, Alien Borg did. But at least it sounds like maybe we agree his methods were flawed.

Then it comes to hypnoses as a "flawed" technique, which is not by any stretch.

The supreme courts of some states will not allow memories that have been "recovered" or "modified" though hypnosis. If hypnosis doesn't have the potential to create flawed memories, why are they banning such memories from courts?

As memory researcher Elizabeth Loftus said:

“When we move from the privacy of the therapy session, in which the client’s reality may be the only reality that is important, into the courtroom, in which there can be but a single reality, then we as citizens in a democratic society are entitled to more solid evidence,” she wrote.

So where is the solid evidence? These debates about hypnosis seem lame when I and many other people have cameras in our homes that can record any abductions taking place. Why aren't we watching the videos of the abductions? The obvious answer is because they didn't actually happen, people just recall the alien abductions for reasons involving the complexities of the human mind, and the aliens are just the modern variant of the symptoms with a long history, it used to be demons instead of aliens.

a reply to: Arbitrageur
I did research the memory wars conundrum, and it does not bear any importance over the abduction research. What it appears to have happened is a warfare against the abduction phenomenon that was extremely consistent, it was very successful in all respects.
That attack came from the "scientific community and the academy", one shouldn't be surprised, as they do everything they can to discredit anythign unusual, they are not neutral nor trully scientific when they encounter something anomlaous, anyton seasoned on this research should be aware of that by now.
What I admire on Mack was his stand out against the academy, being from the academy and realized they were in a battle for the "ontology of the real", the academy wants to dictate what is real than what is not. Depending ont them we will always have a sanitzed version of the phenomenon if any.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

What do you mean when you say a few biased studies and the odd Nemo proclaiming it? Surely the UFO phenomenon is much more than a report or an old memo and a story here and there.

I mean exactly what I said - what have the armed services or Govt's done if treating the subject seriously and as a potential threat.

Obviously there is more to the phenomenon than that and it maybe that there have been studies and research projects that haven't been made public but, in the public domain, I maintain the only evidence any govt has taken the subject seriously are a few biased studies and the odd memo.

originally posted by: chunder

originally posted by: AlienBorg

What do you mean when you say a few biased studies and the odd Nemo proclaiming it? Surely the UFO phenomenon is much more than a report or an old memo and a story here and there.

I mean exactly what I said - what have the armed services or Govt's done if treating the subject seriously and as a potential threat.

Obviously there is more to the phenomenon than that and it maybe that there have been studies and research projects that haven't been made public but, in the public domain, I maintain the only evidence any govt has taken the subject seriously are a few biased studies and the odd memo.

They keep it as secret as possible and tried to ridicule the subject as much as possible. It's obvious that is considered as a threat. If citizens get access to information then so do our adversaries. This is precisely how it is seen.

A lot of money have been spent not only in studying and engaging with the phenomenon but keep it secret and inaccessible.

a reply to: AlienBorg

This is a great case. One of the more solid UFO cases!

a reply to: AlienBorg

NEWS FLASH……

Calvin Parker, who claimed he was abducted by aliens in 1973, dead at 68

Parker died on Aug. 24 at his home in Moss Point after a long battle with kidney cancer, WLOX-TV reported. A private memorial service was held Saturday at the Guardian Angels Funeral Home in Pascagoula, according to the Sun Herald newspaper of Biloxi.

On the night of Oct. 11, 1973, near Pascagoula, Parker, then 19, said he and co-worker Charles Hickson were fishing from a pier on the Pascagoula River when he saw blue light reflecting off the water, the Clarion Ledger reported.

R.I.P. Calvin

Thanks for your story…..

God rest your soul and raise your spirit

I’m speculating that It doesn’t appear he changed his story in any kind of deathbed confession. He died still believing whatever it was that he experienced…….why die with a lie??

I find it a qawinkidink that he dies now and this is a current thread about the incident…..Spooky …Hmmm

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: AlienBorg

NEWS FLASH……

Calvin Parker, who claimed he was abducted by aliens in 1973, dead at 68

Parker died on Aug. 24 at his home in Moss Point after a long battle with kidney cancer, WLOX-TV reported. A private memorial service was held Saturday at the Guardian Angels Funeral Home in Pascagoula, according to the Sun Herald newspaper of Biloxi.

On the night of Oct. 11, 1973, near Pascagoula, Parker, then 19, said he and co-worker Charles Hickson were fishing from a pier on the Pascagoula River when he saw blue light reflecting off the water, the Clarion Ledger reported.

R.I.P. Calvin

Thanks for your story…..

God rest your soul and raise your spirit

I’m speculating that It doesn’t appear he changed his story in any kind of deathbed confession. He died still believing whatever it was that he experienced…….why die with a lie??

I find it a qawinkidink that he dies now and this is a current thread about the incident…..Spooky …Hmmm

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That's sad news.

Calvin Parker has now passed away.
He was the only one alive from the pair until now.
May he rest in peace. Their story is still remarkable.