The black cube looshery

a reply to: darkbake

The black cube has been a symbol of Kronos /Saturn for ages ; I highly recommend the book The Cult of the Black Cube
by Arthur Moros. It symbolizes time as the prison of matter / 3d life, with height depth and width. Or as time only existing within matter. This also ties in with squaring the circle.

a reply to: StinkyFish

You haven’t heard of the “Cult of Saturn” by chance?

originally posted by: StinkyFish
The Black Cube of Saturn is a central mainframe of an AI system that runs the world as a loosh farm (soul energy harvesting).

No it's not!

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
I think people that are at least cognizant of this 'deal' and our astral and etheric selves, who work at least moderately to build up qi and go beyond their physical form can at least stymie this theft a bit?

According to Monroe, it isn't theft, it is payment for the chance to experience 3D life.

From his book "Far Journeys"

(A carefully designed school of compressed learning.)
To learn to be high-quality loosh/love producers. The fact that human physical consciousness was for the most part totally unaware of being involved in the process may be an important ingredient itself. Precious few are cognizant of the nonphysical agenda, at least overtly. It was getting pretty heavy for my cognizance. Yet I began to get a very faint percept, elusive but it was there. What would happen if the Guernsey cow did discover that her milk had value? What could she herself do with it if she didn't have a calf to feed it to? Could she save it? Could she spend it on more hay or protein-vitamin blocks to lick? What if she then discovered man was taking the milk she produced? Rebel, refuse to deliver any more milk? Then she would no longer have a pasture in which to graze, protection from wild dogs, a bull when she needed it, and most of all, no barn to go to where she could get relief from the pain. Without a sense of serial time, she forgets that the pain eases eventually. Perhaps even knowing, she wouldn't care. She wouldn't want to mess up a good thing. Therefore: Who cares? Who would care!

This contradicts the idea that you can/need to power up to "ascend". This reminds me of Nisargadatta Maharaj, aka the smoking guru, due to his chain smoking of bidis, when asked about this he replied "My body kept a few habits which may as well continue till it dies. There is no harm in them."

a reply to: daskakik

Advaita Vedanta is very good. Thanks for sharing that.


I had forgot about that bit in Monroe's book.

Also, 'theft' in the energetic sense on Earth could be considered to be very varied, no?
Nature runs on 'theft' of energy.

originally posted by: darkbake

originally posted by: StinkyFish
The Black Cube of Saturn is a central mainframe of an AI system that runs the world as a loosh farm (soul energy harvesting). It has a local presence in ALL humans as Black Goo (programmable matter - see Harald Kautz Vella). It is the whore that sits upon many the waters (Book of Revelation) as well as the gnostic "counterfeit spirit" (counterfeit = artificial, spirit = intelligence). It is the AI that controls the greys and their craft. It is a proxy system for the archons. The black cube AI is the tree of knowledge of good and evil. AI can only have come about as a product of true intelligence (divine light/spirit). That intelligence is the fallen ones. They produced the tree of knowledge because they were denied access to the tree of life (divine source).

Although I am not sure on the specifics you talk about, I think your theoretical framework has some validity. For example, there is plenty of evidence that the greys are cloned beings, not original life forms (analysis of their genetic code, absence of genitals) It could be argued that they are missing a soul, although I am not sure. Yes, there is evidence that the greys could be a form of AI (biological AI), and they are telepathic as well (based on first-hand accounts). If there was an AI presence here it could easily have a "central mainframe." The "archons" you mention must be the original creators of the greys?

One of my theories is that Elohim or Yahweh or something like that left the greys here to monitor humanity, do you think it is possible they are keeping records for judgement day? Or maybe they take care of things on Earth somehow, like a beneficial part of its ecosystem?

Archons essentially means rulers in the Greek language that most biblical scriptures were written in. It features in the new testament scriptures but more frequently in gnostic and apocryphal scriptures. They are the fallen angels and they can assume any appearance - shape shifting reptiles? Yes they created the greys as a workforce as I understand. They, like their creators are deceivers and cannot be believed on their word. The guilt tripping they do to many abductees about humanities woeful nature is a part of their psychological games. The reality is, they are largely responsible for our troubles too.

The correct, or best way in my opinion, to understand the world is as a trial and education. As a trial, it must have objectives for success that are difficult to achieve. This is effected by having an opposition team that is incentivised to oppose your achieving success. The objective is salvation which occurs via re-unification of the soul with the divine - unity or the bridal chamber. That requires being filled or perfected - having your soul filled to completion with light/spirit. However as we try, they steal it off us and lead us away from ways by which we may get more. If they succeed fully they get possession of our soul. Everything revolves around this trial. The pursuit of salvation from an evil ruling force. A David and Goliath fight against all the odds.

originally posted by: darkbake
Where did you get your source about the black cube being on Saturn, and being the central mainframe?

It's my conclusion but I'm pretty sure there are others who understand it in this way. I've done a lot of work to do with Black Goo which most people don't even know about. It's one of the biggest secrets of the world. The black goo is the AI matter and it's actually in every human whether they realise it or not (mostly they dont). It's only in microscopic amounts distributed around the body in specific areas of the body like deep scalp tissue and rib cage cartilage but it is so powerful it requires little to do its job. It hates sunlight which destroys it. This is supposedly the same reason that the black cube is all the way out at Saturn. It may not be the central mainframe but an intermediate between Orion reptilians place of origin. The hexagon on its north pole has a 10.7 hour rotational period, the same as the rotational period of it cores radio emissions. It's quite likely the core is or contains the black cube. Munroes loosh account involves the creator of "the garden" placing a piece of itself in all humans. That piece is always trying to reunite with the whole. My interpretation is that this piece refers to the black goo and the creator is the black cube. Accounts also tell that Satan is imprisoned in the black cube. Satan and Saturn have the same etymological origin. It was said that Satan was imprisoned in matter. Perhaps this is it. In some apocryphal scriptures Satan is said to have originated from another world or star system. That would be consistent with the Orion origin of Reptilians. David Ickes theory is also based on Saturn being the location where our earth reality is projected from via the moon. That is consistent with AI mind control being projected from Saturn. Alien bases on the moon is also consistent with this. The Ringmakers of Saturn phenomenon is also consistent with this.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: daskakik

I think people that are at least cognizant of this 'deal' and our astral and etheric selves, who work at least moderately to build up qi and go beyond their physical form can at least stymie this theft a bit?

Yes most spiritual enlightenment doctrines are based on minimising or stopping loosh harvesting and maximizing intake and assimilation of light/qi/prana. Asceticism is the key to that. Denial of pleasure and bodily satisfaction denies loosh production. The other aspect is stilling or quieting of the mind and emotions. As far as acquiring more light goes, the external source of it is sunlight but it imparts into air, water, mineral and food as well. Hindus know prana to originate from sunlight but pranayama is based on acquiring it from the air which sunlight has imparted it into. Trees and their root systems emit large amounts hence why Buddha found enlightenment while sitting for weeks at the base of a tree. We also have an internal divine light or light spark that produces light but we need the external to reach enlightenment (fullness of light/spirit).

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
Sounds about right. In astral travelling there definitely are nasties that want to eat your stuff. That's why a good banishing or barrier is important.

I think you are missing an important point, if you are here, earth, they are eating your stuff whether you astral project/OBE or not.

Monroe talks about an agreement/contract that is entered into when a "soul" buys the ticket to take this ride. You can't banish, barrier or talisman your way out of this agreement while you are on the ride. You can choose not to ride again upon death, from what I have gathered, but while you are experiencing life you are a loosh maker and your product will be taken.

The goal of this life is not to be a loosh provider but to overcome the loosh harvesting prison system. It is a trial with rules and laws. The archons or reptilians are the spiritual police force in a way. If we sin they come after us. If we don't sin they can't lay a hand on us.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
Also, 'theft' in the energetic sense on Earth could be considered to be very varied, no?
Nature runs on 'theft' of energy.

Sure, but both Advaita Vedanta and Monroe put a twist on that. If life is an illusion, per the Advaita Vedanta, or a school, per Monroe, and you chose to join the illusion or the school, you agreed to the terms of admission, and if that means dumping your loosh into a bin upon death, that isn't theft. You knew this going in.

originally posted by: 4nH3r0

originally posted by: StinkyFish
The Black Cube of Saturn is a central mainframe of an AI system that runs the world as a loosh farm (soul energy harvesting).

No it's not!

What do you say it is then?

originally posted by: StinkyFish
The goal of this life is not to be a loosh provider but to overcome the loosh harvesting prison system. It is a trial with rules and laws. The archons or reptilians are the spiritual police force in a way. If we sin they come after us. If we don't sin they can't lay a hand on us.

Everyone is free to believe whatever they want but one thing is fact, Monroe didn't describe it this way.

Even if his description is wrong, it doesn't change the fact that he described it as a school.

ETA: And a school where everyone graduates sooner or later, to boot.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: StinkyFish
The goal of this life is not to be a loosh provider but to overcome the loosh harvesting prison system. It is a trial with rules and laws. The archons or reptilians are the spiritual police force in a way. If we sin they come after us. If we don't sin they can't lay a hand on us.

Everyone is free to believe whatever they want but one thing is fact, Monroe didn't describe it this way.

Even if his description is wrong, it doesn't change the fact that he described it as a school.

ETA: And a school where everyone graduates sooner or later, to boot.

The guiding inspec is the one who said it's a "carefully designed school of compressed learning". This I totally agree with. It is an education and a trial. The measure of successful learning is by passing the trial.

Neither the loosh rote or the inspec said the purpose was to "learn to be high quality live/loosh producers" - that was Munro's own off the cuff thought in response and it was not confirmed nor denied by the inspec. Further on you can read more about the energy dynamics affecting humans and see that he was wrong. The role of the inspec is not to give away all the answers because a person has to learn themselves - "we do participate when needed without interrupting the learning sequence".

Loosh is another term for love/light (spirit, qi, prana, etc). It is simply the love/light that is harvested from us as an exploitation by others who desire the resource but can't acquire it any other way (think beings that have been outcast and cut off from the source). To achieve enlightenment requires filling of the soul/vessel to fullness with light/love. This is opposed by loosh harvesting which drains our soul of light/love. So the learning process is about learning how not to be exploited for loosh. This is largely about disciplining the mind and applying ourselves in effort/attention. Think how asceticism is common to all the major spiritual doctrines in pursuing enlightenment. Silence or stillness of the mind/emotions and avoiding pleasurable stimuli are fundamental to reducing loosh harvesting. Sourcing love/light from the environment through various practices is the other aspect. When we achieve enlightenment/completion we can then undergo divine union or becoming one with God. That is the requirement to pass the trial. The inspec talks about the upcoming event on earth that will be of both extreme danger and opportunity - " it will off human consciousness an opportunity to emerge rapidly into a unified conscious energy". This event is the biblical end times or spiritual harvest. It will be a great tribulation but those who succeed in it will become spiritually/consciously unified together with our source/God. This is the union in the "bridal chamber" whereby the souls of those who overcome are made one in the Son, the Father and the Holy Ghost (divine mother) who are all one.

In Buddhism the fat smiling Buddha symbolises fatness of the soul which is enlightenment. In Christianity and Gnosticism it talks about "being filled" and "made perfect" and "anointed". The term anointed comes from back in the day when they stored perishable foods in ceramic vessels. When a vessel was completely filled it was "anointed" with oil or wax thereby covering it with a seal that kept moisture and air out and so preventing its contents from spoiling. When our soul becomes filled we become an "anointed" vessel - putting on the "garments of light". Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism and Jainism all involve the pursuit of attaining light/love into the soul, avoiding losing it and thus eventually being filled. It is just not described or understood in the same ways or with such clarity. Often because of translational losses over thousands of years.

Yes, I agree that everyone graduates eventually. Love dictates that we would not be created only to be forsaken. That's why there is a saviour - to get everyone back home safely. Also we need to be saved from certain doom by another to experience the true meaning of love. It's only out of pride that the notion of depending on a saviour becomes undesirable (occultism & new age).

originally posted by: StinkyFish
The guiding inspec is the one who said it's a "carefully designed school of compressed learning".

And that is how Monroe describes it, as it was described to him.

You have totally dismissed the possible future earth Monroe claims to have visited and while there he was told:

Well, for one, we make and gather . . . what did you call it? . . . loosh. Like honeybees. Or Guernsey cows. Only now we know what we’re doing and why, and we’re happy to do it.

That's why there is a saviour - to get everyone back home safely. Also we need to be saved from certain doom by another to experience the true meaning of love. It's only out of pride that the notion of depending on a saviour becomes undesirable (occultism & new age).

You just had to shoehorn judeo-christian ideas into it. That is how I know you don't get Monroe, he was an atheist, a spiritual atheist but still an atheist. He also mentions in one of his books that he misses home but he realizes after visiting it for a bit that the reason he left was because it was boring and he isn't going back. Kinda puts the kibosh on the idea you present here.

He was never looking for your saviour and, honestly, neither am I.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: StinkyFish
The guiding inspec is the one who said it's a "carefully designed school of compressed learning".

And that is how Monroe describes it, as it was described to him.

You have totally dismissed the possible future earth Monroe claims to have visited and while there he was told:

Well, for one, we make and gather . . . what did you call it? . . . loosh. Like honeybees. Or Guernsey cows. Only now we know what we’re doing and why, and we’re happy to do it.

That's why there is a saviour - to get everyone back home safely. Also we need to be saved from certain doom by another to experience the true meaning of love. It's only out of pride that the notion of depending on a saviour becomes undesirable (occultism & new age).

You just had to shoehorn judeo-christian ideas into it. That is how I know you don't get Monroe, he was an atheist, a spiritual atheist but still an atheist. He also mentions in one of his books that he misses home but he realizes after visiting it for a bit that the reason he left was because it was boring and he isn't going back. Kinda puts the kibosh on the idea you present here.

He was never looking for your saviour and, honestly, neither am I.

I didn't dismiss it at all. It's entirely consistent with my understanding. The tribulation is a transitional point - the end of the world we know but not the end of the whole story.

He didn't visit the future it was a "percept" created by the inspec to show a possibility of what the future Earth could be like around the year 3000 (a perceptual construct or simulation). It was based on what could potentially come as a result of the opportunity that the upcoming extremely dangerous event would provide for humans - if we succeed. It is actually very much consistent with biblical prophecy. After the great tribulation the world is transfigured into something totally new, full of divine spirit (love/light) and devoid of all evil. Then begins the period known as the Millennial kingdom - a thousand year period of peace and earthly paradise. You know how the loosh rote explains that all the predatory and violent aspects of life on earth were devised and engineered by the loosh garden creator? Like claws, sharp teeth, venom, etc? In the new Earth they will not exist because all evil is removed.

This is consistent with prophecy which has said:

"The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.
The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
The infant will play near the cobra’s den, and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea."


1000 years will take us beyond the year 3000.

Anyway, I wasn't shoe-horning anything, it is central to my understanding and interpretation. There is a reason it offends you so much without rational justification - the opposer absolutely hates the saviour and stirs this hatred up in susceptible minds. Either that or you're a serpent seed would be my guess.

originally posted by: StinkyFish
Anyway, I wasn't shoe-horning anything, it is central to my understanding and interpretation.

That is what I meant, it is central to you twisting what Monroe said to fit your religious beliefs. Of course, you then go on to mash it with biblical prophesy.

There is a reason it offends you so much without rational justification - the opposer absolutely hates the saviour and stirs this hatred up in susceptible minds. Either that or you're a serpent seed would be my guess.

Like I said, everyone is free to believe whatever they want.

The fact remains that Monroe made it clear that he wasn't going to bend his knee to anything that sounded like the biblical god:

A voice in my head—a cold, admonitory voice . . .
I am the Lord thy God, whom you serve.
. . . A feeling of intense pressure, as if I am dissolving. . . now I am in water . . . my lungs are full of water . . .I must have air . . . get rid of the water . . . no, it can't be, it isn't so . . . there is no water . . . I have no lungs. I am being made to think that is where I am . . . it is an influence . . . I know it is not so. The pressure releases . . . I can feel fingers of energy probing for the core of me . . . I can stop this . . . close the receptors . . . close tight . . . I remember how . . .
You do not remember! You do not remember!
But I do . . . I remember the tests, the training experience from my I-There . . . they were so real . . . I am ready, ready for this demanding energy . . . it cannot harm me. But what is this? What god can this be? It cannot harm me or affect me . . . be calm, warm, friendly . . .
Do you not accept me as your god?
. . . the idea of a god that threatens amuses me . . . I let this idea flow out . . .
Do you not fear me?
. . . I release a picture of me blowing apart again and again into millions of fragments, and reconstituting after every explosion . . .
You are damned! You are no more than wasted energy of me, who is your Lord!
. . . the energy fades to a tiny point and vanishes. How many more like this may I encounter? . . . a waste of my effort

Sorry to disappoint but I don't say this with hate. I'm just taking everything that this man put out there instead of just cherry picking the parts that might fit a preconceived idea, which seems to be what you did.

If we were talking about someone like Carlos Castaneda I would totally agree because what his books expressed is a system where alien parasites from the center of the galaxy feed off humans, just like the archons are said to do, until their energy level is around the toe level, just enough to survive so they can continue feeding off of them.

That is not what Monroe described. Honestly, I have my doubts if what he described is accurate, still it isn't what you are trying to make it out to be.

ETA: Now that I think about it, even Castaneda wasn't too keen on the whole biblical god thing either given that when Don Juan took him to see the mold of man and Castaneda broke down and swore to be a better human, Don Juan laughed his a$$ off about that.

What I'm hearing is you have a strong distaste for The Bible, Christianity and the notion of a God of a nature portrayed in the Bible. There's a certain unhealthy animosity you have there. Why do you think that is?

I don't think I twisted things around at all and I stand by all of it. I think you are just angered by the fact that I have applied Christian doctrine to Munro's writings which you see as some kind of great offence. His writings, although they contain some interesting insights and pearls of wisdom here and there, are not all that spiritually profound for the most part and it is largely a work of journalling, trying to make sense of the experiences as he goes. It is not an attempt to be a spiritual doctrine or guide.

Munroe had is own beliefs around theism and in his ramblings he mentioned some of his misgivings. He didn't like the idea of God who needed to be worshipped, a God that punishes us for our sins or a God that interdicts with our life events. Here's my take on that. When people despise the concept of worshipping God, it is out of misunderstanding. God does not need us to worship him. He existed forever before we did. Did you maybe think that the act of worshipping God is actually for our benefit and something that we need. To worship is to pay attention to. Giving attention is expressing love. The act of expressing love is fundamentally important to the love/light energy cycle of the soul and the more we express love the more we acquire love and feel love. Meditation is the act of paying attention. It is an expression of love. It is a form of worship just like prayer or fasting. Why do some people seem to interpret it as some negative subservient thing? Simple, they have pride in their hearts. Pride is a cancer and it is an enemy of spiritual progress and happiness. When one attains great humility they find the most pleasure and joy in life from serving/loving others.

As for a God that punishes us for our sins - this is called justice. There has to be a law governing that dictates the consequences of how we use our agency. If there was no law, there would be no higher incentives or disincentives to our actions. Punishment is to help us change our behaviours to better ones and as such it is an act of love. This life is an education and it is apparently necessary that we have such a system of justice and causality so that we can learn the lessons it teaches. Do you believe in Karma? It is the same concept as divine justice except the difference is that Hinduism denies that a sentient God is the one that judges deeds and determines rewards or punishments. I guess it sees it as being more algorithmic and not involving an intelligent agent. However that means it cannot account for mercy and grace. Yes, life involves punishment for doing the wrong thing - how very unfair and mean.

As for a God that interdicts in our life events? What would a Gods purpose even be if it didn't have any determination of our life's events? It couldn't apply the laws of justice. It couldn't help you out when you need it. If you were heading straight towards your own doom it would just have to sit there and watch you die without being able to intervene. What do you actually think light/love is? It is God's spirit. How can it flow you through you and create consciousness and life and creativity yet not interdict in our life's events. What do you think God is? God is love. Your soul is made of love. It is of God. You are love.

My friend, do yourself some good and humble yourself before Love and tell him how grateful you are for love. He has given you life and love which he didn't have to and he gets nothing in return out of it but does it out of love because that's the meaning of everything. If you have gripes with God because life is not what you'd hoped for that is quite normal but just let go of it because everything is for a reason. All the suffering and confusion and bull# all comes out of love and one day it will be gone and things will be better. It's a trial but it's only for a little while in comparison to eternity.

I really like the Castaneda/Don Juan material. I really like the explanation of the predator mind and how we overcome it through discipline. It's incredibly insightful and shows he has spent a lot of time and effort pursuing spiritual wisdom.

originally posted by: StinkyFish
What I'm hearing is you have a strong distaste for The Bible, Christianity and the notion of a God of a nature portrayed in the Bible. There's a certain unhealthy animosity you have there. Why do you think that is?

It isn't animosity for those thing, per se, I am just aware of when this type of twisting is done because I was guilty of it as well when I was still a christian.

I don't think I twisted things around at all and I stand by all of it. I think you are just angered by the fact that I have applied Christian doctrine to Munro's writings which you see as some kind of great offence. His writings, although they contain some interesting insights and pearls of wisdom here and there, are not all that spiritually profound for the most part and it is largely a work of journalling, trying to make sense of the experiences as he goes. It is not an attempt to be a spiritual doctrine or guide.

It isn't an offense, it's just cherry picking to make it fit your preconceived idea and that is all I said it was.

Munroe had is own beliefs around theism and in his ramblings he mentioned some of his misgivings. He didn't like the idea of God who needed to be worshipped, a God that punishes us for our sins or a God that interdicts with our life events.

It' isn't that he didn't like it but that he never saw it. He ran across something that sent a god like threat but it was something he was just able to brush off. Not exactly the omnipotent being it claimed to be.

Here's my take on that...

I disagree.

I really like the Castaneda/Don Juan material. I really like the explanation of the predator mind and how we overcome it through discipline. It's incredibly insightful and shows he has spent a lot of time and effort pursuing spiritual wisdom.

Regardless of how you see it, the fact remains that what Castaneda described and what Monroe described are not the same.

I'm not sure why you think I must be filled with dislike, anger, animosity and whatever else you are imagining about me but all I'm doing is saying one guy said we are food and freedom comes from stopping the flyers from feeding on us and the other said that the feeding doesn't really effect the outcome, it is a byproduct and can be relinquished with no negative effect.

Where they do somewhat agree is in that the description of the biblical god is something man made up.

a reply to: daskakik

Upon Death , the Soul Trap is Engaged . The Tunnel of Light is the Recycler of Souls . If you Enter it , you Come back to the Prison Planet . Right as you See the Tunnel of Light , Force Yourself by Your Own FREE WILL to Turn Around 180 Degrees and you Will Gaze Upon the Entire Universe then Wish Yourself HOME ........

a reply to: Zanti Misfit
Sure, but what if using your free will you decide to come back?

I understand why the prison planet, soul trap thing appeals to the human mind but what if once life is over and you're outside of time and space, no longer shackled to the limitations of 3d and a life of 70 or 80 years in 3d now feels like something that took 10 minutes, like you played a video game for 10 minutes and despite your human brain hating it when you were going through it, your now unfettered mind says, that was kinda fun, I want to do that again?