Homeless and American

What's truly amazing is that the total number of homeless in the nation is only a little over 500k, I say only because that's out of a population approaching 400 million (hopefully).
worldpopulationreview.com...

We can't figure this out?? Seriously????

They don't want to figure it out. Period.

originally posted by: some_stupid_name
I'm not sure to the solution to homelessness, but I do recall a time that many people suffering from mental illness which does make up a large portion of homelessness where house in medical facilities that turned out to be the stuff of nightmares. I don't think humanity is capable yet of what you or I would think is the right thing and it's not something that can be forced.

There have always been hobos bums & gypsies. People who don’t want to live anywhere permanent.

Sure, it really took off when the dems demanded that Reagan sign off on closing the mental hospitals.
In classic democrat logic, they screamed that being in a safe, secure hospital was much worse than what have now.

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: some_stupid_name
I'm not sure to the solution to homelessness, but I do recall a time that many people suffering from mental illness which does make up a large portion of homelessness where house in medical facilities that turned out to be the stuff of nightmares. I don't think humanity is capable yet of what you or I would think is the right thing and it's not something that can be forced.

There have always been hobos bums & gypsies. People who don’t want to live anywhere permanent.

Sure, it really took off when the dems demanded that Reagan sign off on closing the mental hospitals.
In classic democrat logic, they screamed that being in a safe, secure hospital was much worse than what have now.

And still blame Reagan for "closing mental hospitals"...

I think the first step to a solution is to change the language. The people living on the streets in tents and encampments are NOT "homeless" or "unhoused". They are drug addicts and mental cases. Calling them "homeless" obfuscates the real reasons they are on the streets. It has nothing to do with housing. Building tiny homes, affordable housing, etc will not solve the problem. These people are completely incapable of taking care of themselves.

These people are sick drug addicts or a small fry short of a Happy Meal. They need to be forcibly institutionalized. The problem is the activist 9th circuit issued a ruling that many progressive cities use as an excuse to let these folks campout on public streets. Basically said you can't force someone to move if they are homeless and you aren't providing housing.

We have plenty of money to build mental hospitals to care for these folks. All we need to do is shut our border down and stop pissing money away on illegal aliens. NYC is going to spend like $11 BILLION just on illegal aliens this year.

originally posted by: EternalShadow
What's truly amazing is that the total number of homeless in the nation is only a little over 500k, I say only because that's out of a population approaching 400 million (hopefully).
worldpopulationreview.com...

We can't figure this out?? Seriously????

They don't want to figure it out. Period.

I needed to add that the addition of 7+ million illegals into the country probably has overwhelmed the system (by design) to be honest.

We could have dealt with it at ~500k, but now those that shouldn't be here take priority over that initial ~500k and it's a certified cluster fk.

As it was meant to be.

originally posted by: Edumakated
I think the first step to a solution is to change the language. The people living on the streets in tents and encampments are NOT "homeless" or "unhoused". They are drug addicts and mental cases. Calling them "homeless" obfuscates the real reasons they are on the streets. It has nothing to do with housing. Building tiny homes, affordable housing, etc will not solve the problem. These people are completely incapable of taking care of themselves.

These people are sick drug addicts or a small fry short of a Happy Meal. They need to be forcibly institutionalized. The problem is the activist 9th circuit issued a ruling that many progressive cities use as an excuse to let these folks campout on public streets. Basically said you can't force someone to move if they are homeless and you aren't providing housing.

We have plenty of money to build mental hospitals to care for these folks. All we need to do is shut our border down and stop pissing money away on illegal aliens. NYC is going to spend like $11 BILLION just on illegal aliens this year.

Instead of supporting them we need to SHAME the fk out of them!!

SF hands out drug use kits that include everything you need to do MULTIPLE drugs. You get Brillo, a pipe, pipe cleaners, foil, a rubber tube to wrap your arm, BOXES of syringes, etc. etc.

How can you expect people to turn around their lives if you equip them with the very tools that are destroying it??? They've made it so easy and without consequences that there's very little to worry about except getting high.

The SF economy went up junkies arms and directly into the pockets of cartels and paid off politicians and law enforcement.

We're past the counseling and shelter phase. We need separation and containment.

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: Edumakated
I think the first step to a solution is to change the language. The people living on the streets in tents and encampments are NOT "homeless" or "unhoused". They are drug addicts and mental cases. Calling them "homeless" obfuscates the real reasons they are on the streets. It has nothing to do with housing. Building tiny homes, affordable housing, etc will not solve the problem. These people are completely incapable of taking care of themselves.

These people are sick drug addicts or a small fry short of a Happy Meal. They need to be forcibly institutionalized. The problem is the activist 9th circuit issued a ruling that many progressive cities use as an excuse to let these folks campout on public streets. Basically said you can't force someone to move if they are homeless and you aren't providing housing.

We have plenty of money to build mental hospitals to care for these folks. All we need to do is shut our border down and stop pissing money away on illegal aliens. NYC is going to spend like $11 BILLION just on illegal aliens this year.

Instead of supporting them we need to SHAME the fk out of them!!

SF hands out drug use kits that include everything you need to do MULTIPLE drugs. You get Brillo, a pipe, pipe cleaners, foil, a rubber tube to wrap your arm, BOXES of syringes, etc. etc.

How can you expect people to turn around their lives if you equip them with the very tools that are destroying it??? They've made it so easy and without consequences that there's very little to worry about except getting high.

The SF economy went up junkies arms and directly into the pockets of cartels and paid off politicians and law enforcement.

We're past the counseling and shelter phase. We need separation and containment.

You are not understanding my position. At no point did I say support their habit passing out drug supplies. However, we need to accept that these folks are SICK. It is a medical issue.

They are not going to get clean on their own. So unless you advocate letting them rot and die on the street, we have to provide a means that they can get themselves clean. For many of these people, it means being permanently institutionalized. For some, they may be rehabilitated and can go on to live productive lives. However, what is clear is that they need to be forcibly removed from the streets.

I agree that we cannot be tolerant of loitering, begging, panhandling, etc. However, we can provide the means to get them off the street.

Some will be successful. Others may not get clean until they are thrown in jail or die from an OD. Some may never be clean or capable because their brain is friend.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: Edumakated
I think the first step to a solution is to change the language. The people living on the streets in tents and encampments are NOT "homeless" or "unhoused". They are drug addicts and mental cases. Calling them "homeless" obfuscates the real reasons they are on the streets. It has nothing to do with housing. Building tiny homes, affordable housing, etc will not solve the problem. These people are completely incapable of taking care of themselves.

These people are sick drug addicts or a small fry short of a Happy Meal. They need to be forcibly institutionalized. The problem is the activist 9th circuit issued a ruling that many progressive cities use as an excuse to let these folks campout on public streets. Basically said you can't force someone to move if they are homeless and you aren't providing housing.

We have plenty of money to build mental hospitals to care for these folks. All we need to do is shut our border down and stop pissing money away on illegal aliens. NYC is going to spend like $11 BILLION just on illegal aliens this year.

Instead of supporting them we need to SHAME the fk out of them!!

SF hands out drug use kits that include everything you need to do MULTIPLE drugs. You get Brillo, a pipe, pipe cleaners, foil, a rubber tube to wrap your arm, BOXES of syringes, etc. etc.

How can you expect people to turn around their lives if you equip them with the very tools that are destroying it??? They've made it so easy and without consequences that there's very little to worry about except getting high.

The SF economy went up junkies arms and directly into the pockets of cartels and paid off politicians and law enforcement.

We're past the counseling and shelter phase. We need separation and containment.

You are not understanding my position. At no point did I say support their habit passing out drug supplies. However, we need to accept that these folks are SICK. It is a medical issue.

They are not going to get clean on their own. So unless you advocate letting them rot and die on the street, we have to provide a means that they can get themselves clean. For many of these people, it means being permanently institutionalized. For some, they may be rehabilitated and can go on to live productive lives. However, what is clear is that they need to be forcibly removed from the streets.

I agree that we cannot be tolerant of loitering, begging, panhandling, etc. However, we can provide the means to get them off the street.

Some will be successful. Others may not get clean until they are thrown in jail or die from an OD. Some may never be clean or capable because their brain is friend.

No, you're not understanding mine which wasn't directed at you personally, but good job nevertheless.

"WE" don't have to do snip.

YOU can choose to be supportive, but no one is obligated. Most weren't there when people made their decision to end life as they know it and go off on a fentanyl quest.

Example:
I'm supposed to put gas in your car so you can go to work because you were too irresponsible to fill up before you spent the weekend drinking yourself stupid and ran out of money???

I don't think so.

originally posted by: Edumakated
I think the first step to a solution is to change the language. The people living on the streets in tents and encampments are NOT "homeless" or "unhoused". They are drug addicts and mental cases. Calling them "homeless" obfuscates the real reasons they are on the streets. It has nothing to do with housing. Building tiny homes, affordable housing, etc will not solve the problem. These people are completely incapable of taking care of themselves.

These people are sick drug addicts or a small fry short of a Happy Meal. They need to be forcibly institutionalized. The problem is the activist 9th circuit issued a ruling that many progressive cities use as an excuse to let these folks campout on public streets. Basically said you can't force someone to move if they are homeless and you aren't providing housing.

We have plenty of money to build mental hospitals to care for these folks. All we need to do is shut our border down and stop pissing money away on illegal aliens. NYC is going to spend like $11 BILLION just on illegal aliens this year.

It's not just mental issues and drugs, but people think that is the main reason. What about homes being to expensive, and many people having jobs but poorly paid and now where everything gets really expensive, they just can't afford housing. You have many people being homeless but have a job and sleep in their cars. Also when you get homeless the change you take drugs or getting alcohol addicted is sure much higher when lives sucks.

originally posted by: greendust

It seems like in some places we are no longer even trying to have a society.

That is a scary thought, perhaps a first among human societies. Are we the first suicidal society? How did we end up with that kind of attitude ? Not only have we been turned on each other but ourselves as well. We need to collectively take a big step back and find out where we went wrong.

a reply to: greendust

There have always been homeless people there will always be homeless people.

Unless you live in a Marxist state where everyone is mandated a shelter.

a reply to: greendust

Why does it happen so much here and not as much in other countries? Name one other country with an open door policy at its border and a government that openly declares the nation is a safe haven for illegal immigrants.

We spend more on illegal immigrants than we do on our own homeless citizens. Its not because "we" don't care. Its because the people who pull the purse strings favor illegals given a chance at a better life who will vote for the administration that gave it to them. This is nothing but vote harvesting at a heinous level of ignorance and indifference to human suffering.

How can we simultaneously let hundreds of thousands of illegals in to this nation with no vetting, provide food and shelter for them, often at hotels that are not cheap, ship them all over the country in the middle of the night, and, have thousands upon thousands of American citizens living in the streets who receive little to no assistance from anyone?

originally posted by: Pluginn

originally posted by: Edumakated
I think the first step to a solution is to change the language. The people living on the streets in tents and encampments are NOT "homeless" or "unhoused". They are drug addicts and mental cases. Calling them "homeless" obfuscates the real reasons they are on the streets. It has nothing to do with housing. Building tiny homes, affordable housing, etc will not solve the problem. These people are completely incapable of taking care of themselves.

These people are sick drug addicts or a small fry short of a Happy Meal. They need to be forcibly institutionalized. The problem is the activist 9th circuit issued a ruling that many progressive cities use as an excuse to let these folks campout on public streets. Basically said you can't force someone to move if they are homeless and you aren't providing housing.

We have plenty of money to build mental hospitals to care for these folks. All we need to do is shut our border down and stop pissing money away on illegal aliens. NYC is going to spend like $11 BILLION just on illegal aliens this year.

It's not just mental issues and drugs, but people think that is the main reason. What about homes being to expensive, and many people having jobs but poorly paid and now where everything gets really expensive, they just can't afford housing. You have many people being homeless but have a job and sleep in their cars. Also when you get homeless the change you take drugs or getting alcohol addicted is sure much higher when lives sucks.

No one who is chronically homeless is a productive citizen. Most people who don't make a lot of money usually just get a roommate if they live in an area that is expensive. NYC is full of people who share 1 bedroom apartments (converting them to 2).

People living in tents on the street are drug addicts and mental cases. It really isn't anymore complicated than this. It has zilch to do with affordable housing.

a reply to: Edumakated

Right. U talk to homeless people, hear their story's? Many homeles hide where they won't get bothered, like for example police who are kicking them out of their tents. So affordable housing is no problem you say but in same time you tell, NYC is full of people who share 1 bedroom apartments. Lol 1 bedroom, living together to share costs. For many just 1 big medical bill is enough for getting them homeless but so many reasons can be. And when ppl get homeless you only have dicks like you giving judgment saying they are worthless, drug addicts and or mental cases, happily kicking them down more. When homeless ppl treat you like worse then animals often. Look down on them. Yea bow down for some rich guy who often is the biggest scumbag you can find.

homeless are everywhere !

a reply to: Pluginn

Your point is absolutely valid, especially in today's economy. There are many homeless who just couldn't keep up with cost of living and housing.

Some incurred a major debt that sunk them, often medical. I believe Obamacare sent medical costs for many sky high.

Some lost a good paying job, sometimes of no fault of there own, due to our crap economy, thanks Joe.

Some simply don't make enough to afford housing and living expenses despite a will to work, although these people are usually subsidized by government programs.

Some simply can't budget and make poor financial decisions. They buy materialistic crap, chasing fulfillment and end up broke.

Some have been become addicted to our now accepted sex addicted culture like porn and prostitution, think only fans. Or think of the legalized gambling, especially sports gambling on your phone. Some people can't keep these vices in check.

Most of these examples of homeless peoples can and will recover with a little help.We as a society can and do help in general.

However I would say they are the minority of the homeless problem. Many homeless have absolutely no will nor the ability to function in society anymore. Some have the will and the ability but cannot get the help they need.

This would describe the drug and alcohol addicted people on the street. As well as the mentally compromised. Giving them a home, shelter, or food will not treat these issues. Many need to be institutionalized to get that help, but how do you that and at what cost?

And some of these addicted people have absolutely zero will to change and will just continue to be burdens on society. I think that is the majority of the homeless in this country, but I could be wrong.

I think we need stricter drug laws, with heavier sentences for dealers and suppliers. That goes for users as well, they'll think twice about trying crack or fentynal if it's a 3 year sentence for possession.

Instead we are reducing drug sentencing for many offenses, hell nowadays they are back on the street next day, or not arrested or charged. We also leave our southern border wide open so that the cartels can flood our country with more drugs, making them cheaper and more available. Great plan leftists.

Maybe we shouldn't encourage people to gamble either.

I think it is basically a symptom of our cultural breakdown for the most part, then add in terrible economic situation and here we stand.

But we can't just allow lawless drug addicts to roam our streets anymore, they need to be institutionalized or imprisoned.

Years ago when I worked in the downtown Portland OR area, I knew many homeless people. In fact several of them were my friends. I worked along the MAX commuter line on 2nd Ave across from a little convenience store at that time called Petersons. The area was large enough they had tables and chairs out for anyone to use and was quite the little gathering ground. As a smoker, it was a perfect lounge.

But to the point, many of the homeless didn't receive either financial aid or homing services because:

it was too difficult for them to qualify
there wasn't room
if they did qualify and there was room, they weren't comfortable with being confined and/or having to follow rules of the 'house' motels or boarding places.

Last but not least: They were afraid of the more outrageous, over the top, angry and very scary people that they would also be around. True story.

So they continued with their current life style, managed as best they could and seemed to be happy and healthy for the most part. I helped with the bit that I could and as I said, several of them were true friends at that time. But that was in the late 80s to mid 90s.

What I see on the videos nowadays is a completely different animal.

originally posted by: Pluginn
a reply to: Edumakated

Right. U talk to homeless people, hear their story's? Many homeles hide where they won't get bothered, like for example police who are kicking them out of their tents. So affordable housing is no problem you say but in same time you tell, NYC is full of people who share 1 bedroom apartments. Lol 1 bedroom, living together to share costs. For many just 1 big medical bill is enough for getting them homeless but so many reasons can be. And when ppl get homeless you only have dicks like you giving judgment saying they are worthless, drug addicts and or mental cases, happily kicking them down more. When homeless ppl treat you like worse then animals often. Look down on them. Yea bow down for some rich guy who often is the biggest scumbag you can find.

I just call it like I see it.

To be clear there is a huge difference between say a woman whose boyfriend kicks her out the house with a kid AND a meth head sleeping on a park bench. There are plenty of shelters and assistance for the woman and these types almost always are back on their feet within a few days or weeks at most.

On the other hand, people living in encampments shooting up drugs are the homeless that people are concerned about. There are no real services for these people. Society shouldn't be forced to tolerate their dysfunction. No amount of tiny homes or affordable housing is going to help these people. All they care about is getting high. They can't work. The only work they can do is a quick hustle so they can buy their next fix.

I can't believe how naive some people are these days....

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: Edumakated
I think the first step to a solution is to change the language. The people living on the streets in tents and encampments are NOT "homeless" or "unhoused". They are drug addicts and mental cases. Calling them "homeless" obfuscates the real reasons they are on the streets. It has nothing to do with housing. Building tiny homes, affordable housing, etc will not solve the problem. These people are completely incapable of taking care of themselves.

These people are sick drug addicts or a small fry short of a Happy Meal. They need to be forcibly institutionalized. The problem is the activist 9th circuit issued a ruling that many progressive cities use as an excuse to let these folks campout on public streets. Basically said you can't force someone to move if they are homeless and you aren't providing housing.

We have plenty of money to build mental hospitals to care for these folks. All we need to do is shut our border down and stop pissing money away on illegal aliens. NYC is going to spend like $11 BILLION just on illegal aliens this year.

Instead of supporting them we need to SHAME the fk out of them!!

SF hands out drug use kits that include everything you need to do MULTIPLE drugs. You get Brillo, a pipe, pipe cleaners, foil, a rubber tube to wrap your arm, BOXES of syringes, etc. etc.

How can you expect people to turn around their lives if you equip them with the very tools that are destroying it??? They've made it so easy and without consequences that there's very little to worry about except getting high.

The SF economy went up junkies arms and directly into the pockets of cartels and paid off politicians and law enforcement.

We're past the counseling and shelter phase. We need separation and containment.

You are not understanding my position. At no point did I say support their habit passing out drug supplies. However, we need to accept that these folks are SICK. It is a medical issue.

They are not going to get clean on their own. So unless you advocate letting them rot and die on the street, we have to provide a means that they can get themselves clean. For many of these people, it means being permanently institutionalized. For some, they may be rehabilitated and can go on to live productive lives. However, what is clear is that they need to be forcibly removed from the streets.

I agree that we cannot be tolerant of loitering, begging, panhandling, etc. However, we can provide the means to get them off the street.

Some will be successful. Others may not get clean until they are thrown in jail or die from an OD. Some may never be clean or capable because their brain is friend.

No, you're not understanding mine which wasn't directed at you personally, but good job nevertheless.

"WE" don't have to do snip.

YOU can choose to be supportive, but no one is obligated. Most weren't there when people made their decision to end life as they know it and go off on a fentanyl quest.

Example:
I'm supposed to put gas in your car so you can go to work because you were too irresponsible to fill up before you spent the weekend drinking yourself stupid and ran out of money???

I don't think so.

You don't have to do anything. Yes, they are responsible for their own situation. I did not say they weren't.

However, the reality is that unless society has an effective plan to deal with these folks they will over run many areas like a locust plague.

Like I said, there are only two choices. You can let them OD and die. Or you can forcibly remove them from the streets so they can get help.

originally posted by: Pluginn
a reply to: Edumakated

Right. U talk to homeless people, hear their story's? Many homeles hide where they won't get bothered, like for example police who are kicking them out of their tents. So affordable housing is no problem you say but in same time you tell, NYC is full of people who share 1 bedroom apartments. Lol 1 bedroom, living together to share costs. For many just 1 big medical bill is enough for getting them homeless but so many reasons can be. And when ppl get homeless you only have dicks like you giving judgment saying they are worthless, drug addicts and or mental cases, happily kicking them down more. When homeless ppl treat you like worse then animals often. Look down on them. Yea bow down for some rich guy who often is the biggest scumbag you can find.

I honestly wasn't sure who you were talking to with this gibbering response.

Yes, I have talked to homeless people. I have heard their story.

I never said affordable housing is no problem. In fact, finding affordable housing is one of the biggest problems. And a good part of that problem is the current inflation and economy we are enduring thanks to 81 million non-existent voters.

I don't know where you live or what your circumstances are, but most people at some point in their life shared a household, apartment or otherwise, to split the bills and make ends meet. Its rare to find a large number of people living in a 1 bedroom, mainly because more than 2 adults in a 1 bedroom is illegal, but it happens. I have no problem with people getting together to share the bills. I do have a problem with our government using our tax dollars to put illegals in hotels when American citizens are living, and more and more frequently dying, in the streets.

I am well aware that there are many in this country who are one surprise expense away from being unable to pay their rent. Not once did I say they were all a bunch of drug addicts or mental cases. Make no mistake, many homeless are drug addicts and many have mental illness issues. But there are just as many homeless people who were just unable to keep up with the rising cost of living, you know, inflation.

The longer this democrat utopia beats down the middle class the worse this problem is going to get. We need a government who will take care of home first. Right now there are roughly 207 sovereign nations and we send American tax dollars to 88% of them. That money could solve the homeless problem in this country in one year. This nation spends more on its military than the next 26 countries combined, 25 of which are our allies. Just a fraction of that money could change the lives of the American people in dramatic fashion.

The problem is not that people don't care. Its that our hands are tied and our resources are limited. Its hard to find money to help those millions of Americans who are one surprise expense away from missing their rent payment when you are one of them. The 1% are not going to do it. If they were going to, they would have by now.

If things don't change in this country the 1% and the outlaws will be the only ones who have what they need when they need it. The honest hard working citizens who try to do things right are the ones who will do the majority of the suffering when things really get bad - and that day is coming sooner than we think...