Pilot Report UFOs? - $10,000 fine And Ten Years In Jail.

Not the biggest fan of sharing links from 'mouhpiece' sites like 'Politico' but did just come across this commentary from 'The Anomalist'.

UFO Reporting Hotline is MIA -
Politico

UFO report data—denied, debated, and deliberated form the theme here. And "deliberate" seems to be a kind characterization for the DoD approach to data collection.

Lara Seligman and Joe Gould report on a Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough May claim that a standardized military UAP reporting system was completed that should have been formulated years ago, and the headline fact that the rest of government still lacks a system and pilots et al. are afraid to report, anyway.

Sole Pentagon UFO/UAP spokesperson (and psy-ops expert) Susan Gough on a standardized military UAP reporting system?

Claims that government 'still lacks a system and pilots are afraid to report anyway'?

What about JANAP 146E for military/ commercial pilots that has been in existence for decades (despite prison terms of up to ten years and/or a fine of $10,000 for discussing UFO experiences)?

• "There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept."

Lieutenant Frederick Fox

Pilot Statements

What about NORAD being the clearance house for all such JANAP 146(E) military/commercial pilot UFO/UAP reports?

From 14:50

• "NORAD has been the retrieval agency for all of the UFO documentation made under JANAP 146(E)."

John Greenewald Junior - UFO Document archivist.

'NORAD And The UFO Smokescreen'

Atmospherical physicist Dr James E. McDonald goes into more detail below about the CIA implemented 'directive'..

See 2:10

Dolan's book also covers the historical aspect which 'officially invokes espionage laws in relation to both military and civilian pilots reporting UFOs'.

10 years inprisonment / $10,000 fine.

On February 13th (1954), Jim G. Lucas of Scripps Howard reported that representatives of major airlines were planning to meet in Los Angleles with intelligence officers of the Military Air Transport Service.

The purpose was to speed up UFO reporting procedures. Lucas wrote that airline pilots were reporting large numbers of UFOs during their flights and were now being asked "not to discuss their sightings publicly or give them to newspapers".

Lucas had accurate information. On February 17th 1954 ,officers of the Military Transport Intelligence met with officials of the Airline Pilots Union at the Roosevelt Hotel in Hollywood.

The goal of the meeting was to implement JANAP 146,specifically to arrange for pilots to radio UFO reports to the nearest airport and make no public statements about them.

Violations brought prison terms of up to ten years and/or a fine of $10,000.

Scripps Howards papers followed up on February 23rd to report that

"the nation´s 8,500 commercial airline pilot have been seeing a lot of unusual objects while flying at night, here and overseas".

It confirmed that plans for a detailed reporting system were agreed upon to enable the air force to investigate UFOs quickly.

Each airline had an internal security specialist to meet with the Air Force.

'UFOs And The National Security State'

All this info is freely available and easy to source.. so why no mention of it in the 'Politico' article on official government UFO/UAP reporting procedures by pilots?

Please search and read what Janap146E is , and do not rely on "glorified" headlines again .

a reply to: Gothmog

Thanks for the advice Gothmong - can I ask why you didn't explore any of the posted content before posting?

From 14:50

Cheers.

We fly secret crap. We want people to know we fly secret crap. We just don’t want them to know anything else about other than it’s there and better than what anyone else has. All the ufo stuff adds to that goal.

a reply to: karl 12

a reply to: karl 12

I didn't see any evidence of a "$10,000 fine and 10 years in jail" on the few minutes I watched starting at 14:50.

Does he say any thing about that on the video?

a reply to: ArMaP

No mate that video was a specific reply to Gothmog about the UFO reporting aspect of JANAP 146(E) pilot reports being routed through NORAD (despite them lying about it).

The way Greenewald did this was to go through the Canadian 'Access Of Information Act' and and prove they were lying simply by presenting them with their own UFO documents.

Despite what sites like Wikipedia etc. tell everyone JANAP 146(E) has a clearly referenced UFO reporting section.



NORAD:

it is established that NORAD, even so long ago, was very much concerning itself with serious UFO sightings made by US or Canadian forces, and any claims to the contrary are absolute nonsense.

Documents / CIRVIS

As for the legal regulations (AFR 200 -2 JANAP 146) that 'officially invokes espionage laws in relation to both military and civilian pilots reporting UFOs' (see McDonald vid and article on the Scripps Howard pilot report) Section 208 falls under the penalties of the 1934 'Communications Act' - 'Espionage and Censorship - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information'.

Looks to me like the pdf files have been corrupted but do remember there was a letter sent to President Harry Truman from Major Donald Keyhoe discussing the penalties - here's the link in case the files work for you

3rd February 1959:

"One of our aims is to expose frauds; another is to convince the press and public that this is a serious problem despite the ridicule...caused by the official debunking policy, which is now used to obscure the concerned and intensive investigation of Air Force and other agencies," or "There is a mass of evidence supporting our claims as to UFO reality and official censorship.."

Journal of UFO History - A Publication of the Donald E. Keyhoe Archives

originally posted by: karl 12
No mate that video was a specific reply to Gothmog about the UFO reporting aspect of JANAP 146(E) pilot reports being routed through NORAD (despite them lying about it).

I didn't understand his post that way, I thought it was a more general question.

Despite what sites like Wikipedia etc. tell everyone JANAP 146(E) has a clearly referenced UFO reporting section.

Where on Wikipedia does it say that?

a reply to: karl 12
The main topic is bogus .

Pilot Report UFOs? - $10,000 fine And Ten Years In Jail.

a reply to: Gothmog

So you've changed your question, what about your first post?

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: Gothmog

So you've changed your question, what about your first post?

That was the gist of my first post .

a reply to: Gothmog

So why not address it - are you looking for attention?

Why not address it?

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: Gothmog

So why not address it - are you looking for attention?

Why not address it?

I did.

originally posted by: Gothmog
Please search and read what Janap146E is , and do not rely on "glorified" headlines again .

What is JANAP146(E)?


Stop being a cocksure know-it-all and tell everyone what it is.

a reply to: karl 12

Might they be talking about this:
Warning, its a PDF from the NSA

or this version from CUFON.ORG
See Here

Either way I'm not sure those documents are being enforced, but that's just a loose guess on my part.

I’m not seeing what the hubbabub is all about over JANAP146…..

The document….as I see it….is standard reporting procedures for reporting all “objects” including unidentified.

I don’t think …” (c) unidentified flying objects “…..is from the context of the Phenomenon, but instead objects other than normally identifiable objects…..for instance, best effort to identify by description and characteristics an object that may be of human experimental design…..Everything that is identifiable is also considered an “object(s)” for the purposes of document reporting verbiage as written.

I highly doubt that for every instance that the word “object” is mentioned in JANAP146 …..that it solely addresses UFO’s the phenomenon.

Unidentified remains unidentified until its identified.

From the JANAP146 procedure….

Any observed identification, insignia, or other significant information. Every reasonable effort should be made to positively identify the object sighted. Example of a radiotelephone transmission:

And what is the “object” in the example radiotelephone transmission? …….SIX JET BOMBERS

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a reply to: karl 12

Show us where it says there's a ban on ban on reporting UFOs, with a $10,000 fine and a ten-year jail sentence for contravening it. Come on.

Give us a source for the claim or admit that it's false.

So here’s what is stated in the JANAP146(E) Revision

SECTION III  - SECURITY 208. Military and Civilian.  Transmission of CIRVIS reports are subject to the U.S. Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and the Canadian Radio Act of 1938, as amended. Any person who violates the provisions of these acts may be liable to prosecution thereunder. These reports contain information affecting the national defense of the United States and Canada. Any person who makes an unauthorized transmission or disclosure of such a report may be liable to prosecution under Title 18 of  the US Code 793, Chapter 37, or the Canadian Official Secrets   [|]
Act of 1939, as amended. This should not be construed as requiring classification of CIRVIS    [|]
 messages. The purpose is to emphasize the necessity for the handling of such information within official channels only

Here’s what is said about Title 18 of the US Code 793 Capter 37…

§793. Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information. Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. uscode.house.gov... › view › c... 18 USC Ch. 37: ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP - U.S. Code

These fines or imprisonment or both cover all violations of falsifying any reports for ‘any’ objects.

So if you make a false report whether an actual UFO (i.e. a bogus flying saucer) or other craft (i.e. Russian Mig over California) those penalties could apply if prosecuted.

These are General SOP and not Phenomena reporting specific.

Imo ….nothing to see here….not even a mention of a ‘$10,000’ amount….that I could see.

Here’s the direct link for CHAPTER 37—ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP

Imo…..pilots can without penalty report UFO’s if they believe what they report is true. It’s up to the receiver of the report to check it’s validity.

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
So here’s what is stated in the JANAP146(E) Revision

SECTION III  - SECURITY 208. Military and Civilian.  Transmission of CIRVIS reports are subject to the U.S. Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and the Canadian Radio Act of 1938, as amended. Any person who violates the provisions of these acts may be liable to prosecution thereunder. These reports contain information affecting the national defense of the United States and Canada. Any person who makes an unauthorized transmission or disclosure of such a report may be liable to prosecution under Title 18 of  the US Code 793, Chapter 37, or the Canadian Official Secrets   [|]
Act of 1939, as amended. This should not be construed as requiring classification of CIRVIS    [|]
 messages. The purpose is to emphasize the necessity for the handling of such information within official channels only

Here’s what is said about Title 18 of the US Code 793 Capter 37…

§793. Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information. Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. uscode.house.gov... › view › c... 18 USC Ch. 37: ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP - U.S. Code

These fines or imprisonment or both cover all violations of falsifying any reports for ‘any’ objects.

So if you make a false report whether an actual UFO (i.e. a bogus flying saucer) or other craft (i.e. Russian Mig over California) those penalties could apply if prosecuted.

These are General SOP and not Phenomena reporting specific.

Imo ….nothing to see here….not even a mention of a ‘$10,000’ amount….that I could see.

Here’s the direct link for CHAPTER 37—ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP

Imo…..pilots can without penalty report UFO’s if they believe what they report is true. It’s up to the receiver of the report to check it’s validity.

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A Federal fine is a fine...no matter what.

a reply to: Erno86

True as that is….that’s not what is in contention…..show me a fixed fine amount of “$10,000” which is part in the OP topic title. The fine is variable depending on the nature and severity of the offense. Bottom line……

And it’s not UFO (aliens type) specific.

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: Erno86

True as that is….that’s not what is in contention…..show me a fixed fine amount of “$10,000” which is part in the OP topic title. The fine is variable depending on the nature and severity of the offense. Bottom line……

And it’s not UFO (aliens type) specific.

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So, in the "CHAPTER 37 - ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP" link you provided does mention about 3 times: "1994 - Pub. L. 103-322 substituted 'fined under this title' for 'fined not more than $10,000' --- 'fined not more than $1,000' - 'fined not more than $5,000'"

So...does that mean they can find any convicted perpetrator of "JANAP 146 (E) REVISION" be potentially fined with the "skies the limit" on fine amounts?