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Evangelicals Rejecting Jesus Teachings as Being Too Liberal

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posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
Evangelicans are rejecting "Liberal" teachings of Jesus

Maybe it's not my calling to be a Fierce Warrior.


Your wording here is interesting. In today's society people are encouraged to be fierce. It is a trait people look up to and display. You see fierceness in all strata of society, people even on this website display fierce attitudes toward each other. In fact I find that those who claim to be Christian on this website are sometimes the most fierce opponents of God, his name Jehovah, and his people.

It brought to mind walking into a Walmart some time ago and seeing the word "Fierce" on a sweatshirt being sold in the women's department. And then I recall what the Bible says about the predominant attitudes of the people during the last days, and one of them is people being "fierce:"

"But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be...fierce."-2 Timothy 3:1-3.

Jesus was not a fierce person. His opponents were fierce.

Jesus said "happy are the meek" and the "peace-makers" or peaceable. A Christian with holy spirit displays the fruitage of that spirit, one of which is mildness, and another self-control.

Nowhere does fierceness have any place in a Christian's life. They should at all times display a spirit of mildness and deep respect toward others.

That is another thing many so-called Christians lack, even on this website. They are eager to pounce, using false stories, and half-truths, in viscous and fierce attacks on the mild-spirited and meek servants of Jehovah, all the while displaying the mental bent of wicked humanity, that is now at operation in the sons of disobedience, no doubt displaying the character defects of their true father.
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posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: TTU77

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: TTU77

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES

originally posted by: pthena

Now my suspicion is that many who think themselves Christian may also be role-players. As such, earthly-minded hypocrites, would gladly assume the role of world power broker, or at the least, foot soldiers of the worldly power brokers. Therefore they will gladly fight to the death to secure a Christian dominant society, or endorse those fighters.


I have had my share of spiritual battles with forces I cannot claim to understand, and I have been at the mercy of very sadistic entities over the years, I won't get into the specifics, but there is nothing worse than feeling abandoned by God for me.

I just want to understand and hopefully one day see peac eon earth for all peaceful peoples and cultures, and end to war and poverty and an end to suffering.

I will not deny that I desire very much the promise of Heaven on Earth and the Kingdom Restored, and I see signs of such a world every day, people of various faiths and backgrounds all living peacefully and working together for a common shared goal.

That to me is Heaven. One doesn't need to be Christian exclusively, because God created All of Us.

Sometimes I dissociate from the news online, the trial and struggle in the world, the violence the war, the suffering and poverty because I don't neccecarily experience it in my own world as severely as others.

I look after the homeless, but I'm living subpoverty on disability benefits and rarely have material gains to help or assist as I'm barely making ends meet myself, but I try to be nice and helpful whenever possible. There are a lot of other groups in the area with more resources who step in where I cannot.

I am also aware of a great wickedness in the world right now, and I'm powerless against it.

Would I like to see these abuses purged?

Of course.

I would love and America where everyone had food and shelter, healthcare and the right to life.

I'm fighting for it, and am frequently called a socialist because of it.

But I digress and that's neither here nor there.

I have friends who would fall under the category of "subversives" but they are still learning who they are, I have friends who are gay, bisexual, transgender, wiccan, pagan, satanists, but they are kind and community oriented and many of them have told me how there are members of the community who just walk up to them and tell them they are goign to hell for who they are, or how they look.

I want no part of that kind of heaven.

I just worry because a lot of people these days professing loudly about their Christian Values hold anything but, and do no good works, instead squander their good fortune and worldly blessings and excess on their own self indulgence who seem they'd be more inclined to "wipe out" and exterminate anyone who didn't fit their aesthetic or worldview, or whom was percieved to be a drain on resources.


Targeting easily identified weaker targets is called scapegoating.


I grew up in that world, and I know how closeminded and ruthless these folks can be when they decide they've had enough.

It just breaks my heart.



Truly, a true Christian cannot ever possibly cede the possibility its possible to enter heaven without Christ, for all other religions require good works and to be good enough to enter heaven. That is not Christianity, for why then did Christ die if even a single person could enter heaven without Him. He died because it is impossible, thus absolutely necessary He had to die to save us, to humble Himself to be fully man and enter into time and be humiliated and killed on our sakes, willingly and do so without ever knowing sin, therefore only He earned Heaven, and through Him, we may also have eternal life and resurrection with God.



You believe Christ was a sacrifice for us, who's us exactly, you mean every person on Earth?


John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life


So His sacrifice was only for those who believe in Him?


Jesus' sacrifice was illustrated by the copper serpent that Moses erected in the wilderness. When the ungrateful people started to moan and complain against Moses' leadership over them, and thus Jehovah God himself, Jehovah took offense at it and sent poisonous serpents among them. They pleaded with Moses to intercede on their behalf and Moses prayed to Jehovah to please turn away the plague from Israel. And Jehovah told Moses to raise up a copper serpent and to tell the people they must look at it and thus keep alive. And so anyone bit by the serpents who put faith in Jehovah God, and were obedient to his Messiah, Moses, would obediently look at the copper serpent and thus keep alive.

Jesus is the serpent who was raised on the torture stake for our sins. And yes, in order to have salvation you must exercise faith in his ransom. He is "the way, the truth, and the life." The way to our heavenly Father, Jehovah. All truths are revealed in Jesus Christ, and we only gain everlasting life by means of showing faith in his ransom.

"So the people came to Moses and said: “We have sinned by speaking against Jehovah and against you. Intercede with Jehovah so that he may remove the serpents from us.” And Moses interceded on behalf of the people. 8 Then Jehovah said to Moses: “Make a replica of a poisonous snake and put it on a pole. Then when anyone has been bitten, he will have to look at it in order to keep alive.” 9 Moses at once made a serpent of copper and put it on the pole, and whenever a serpent had bitten a man and he looked at the copper serpent, he survived.-Numbers 21:7-9.

"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”- John 6:40.

Learn the lesson of the copper serpent.

TTU77, you do not display a fierce attitude. I appreciate the attitude and spirit with which you answer.

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posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: randomuser

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: TTU77

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: TTU77

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES

originally posted by: pthena

Now my suspicion is that many who think themselves Christian may also be role-players. As such, earthly-minded hypocrites, would gladly assume the role of world power broker, or at the least, foot soldiers of the worldly power brokers. Therefore they will gladly fight to the death to secure a Christian dominant society, or endorse those fighters.


I have had my share of spiritual battles with forces I cannot claim to understand, and I have been at the mercy of very sadistic entities over the years, I won't get into the specifics, but there is nothing worse than feeling abandoned by God for me.

I just want to understand and hopefully one day see peac eon earth for all peaceful peoples and cultures, and end to war and poverty and an end to suffering.

I will not deny that I desire very much the promise of Heaven on Earth and the Kingdom Restored, and I see signs of such a world every day, people of various faiths and backgrounds all living peacefully and working together for a common shared goal.

That to me is Heaven. One doesn't need to be Christian exclusively, because God created All of Us.

Sometimes I dissociate from the news online, the trial and struggle in the world, the violence the war, the suffering and poverty because I don't neccecarily experience it in my own world as severely as others.

I look after the homeless, but I'm living subpoverty on disability benefits and rarely have material gains to help or assist as I'm barely making ends meet myself, but I try to be nice and helpful whenever possible. There are a lot of other groups in the area with more resources who step in where I cannot.

I am also aware of a great wickedness in the world right now, and I'm powerless against it.

Would I like to see these abuses purged?

Of course.

I would love and America where everyone had food and shelter, healthcare and the right to life.

I'm fighting for it, and am frequently called a socialist because of it.

But I digress and that's neither here nor there.

I have friends who would fall under the category of "subversives" but they are still learning who they are, I have friends who are gay, bisexual, transgender, wiccan, pagan, satanists, but they are kind and community oriented and many of them have told me how there are members of the community who just walk up to them and tell them they are goign to hell for who they are, or how they look.

I want no part of that kind of heaven.

I just worry because a lot of people these days professing loudly about their Christian Values hold anything but, and do no good works, instead squander their good fortune and worldly blessings and excess on their own self indulgence who seem they'd be more inclined to "wipe out" and exterminate anyone who didn't fit their aesthetic or worldview, or whom was percieved to be a drain on resources.


Targeting easily identified weaker targets is called scapegoating.


I grew up in that world, and I know how closeminded and ruthless these folks can be when they decide they've had enough.

It just breaks my heart.



Truly, a true Christian cannot ever possibly cede the possibility its possible to enter heaven without Christ, for all other religions require good works and to be good enough to enter heaven. That is not Christianity, for why then did Christ die if even a single person could enter heaven without Him. He died because it is impossible, thus absolutely necessary He had to die to save us, to humble Himself to be fully man and enter into time and be humiliated and killed on our sakes, willingly and do so without ever knowing sin, therefore only He earned Heaven, and through Him, we may also have eternal life and resurrection with God.



You believe Christ was a sacrifice for us, who's us exactly, you mean every person on Earth?


John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life


So His sacrifice was only for those who believe in Him?


Jesus' sacrifice was illustrated by the copper serpent that Moses erected in the wilderness. When the ungrateful people started to moan and complain against Moses' leadership over them, and thus Jehovah God himself, Jehovah took offense at it and sent poisonous serpents among them. They pleaded with Moses to intercede on their behalf and Moses prayed to Jehovah to please turn away the plague from Israel. And Jehovah told Moses to raise up a copper serpent and to tell the people they must look at it and thus keep alive. And so anyone bit by the serpents who put faith in Jehovah God, and were obedient to his Messiah, Moses, would obediently look at the copper serpent and thus keep alive.

Jesus is the serpent who was raised on the torture stake for our sins. And yes, in order to have salvation you must exercise faith in his ransom. He is "the way, the truth, and the life." The way to our heavenly Father, Jehovah. All truths are revealed in Jesus Christ, and we only gain everlasting life by means of showing faith in his ransom.

"So the people came to Moses and said: “We have sinned by speaking against Jehovah and against you. Intercede with Jehovah so that he may remove the serpents from us.” And Moses interceded on behalf of the people. 8 Then Jehovah said to Moses: “Make a replica of a poisonous snake and put it on a pole. Then when anyone has been bitten, he will have to look at it in order to keep alive.” 9 Moses at once made a serpent of copper and put it on the pole, and whenever a serpent had bitten a man and he looked at the copper serpent, he survived.-Numbers 21:7-9.

"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”- John 6:40.

Learn the lesson of the copper serpent.

TTU77, you do not display a fierce attitude. I appreciate the attitude and spirit with which you answer.


I've seen the evil one, he's a serpent too.



posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: Cwantas

Satan is the "original serpent." (Revelation 12:9.) But that does not mean that the serpent is always used in a negative connotation in scripture. As in this instance of the copper serpent.

And Jesus used the serpent when telling his followers how to behave. Cautious as a serpent, yet innocent as a dove:

“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves."-Matthew 10:16.

Scripture calls Satan a "roaring lion" seeking to devour someone. But it also uses the lion to describe Jesus as well:

"Keep your senses, be watchful! Your adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone.-1 Peter 5:8.

"Judah is a lion cub. From the prey, my son, you will certainly go up. He has crouched down and stretched himself out like a lion, and like a lion, who dares rouse him?"-Genesis 49:9.

"But one of the elders said to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”-Revelation 5:5.

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posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: randomuser
a reply to: Cwantas


And Jesus used the serpent when telling his followers how to behave. Cautious as a serpent, yet innocent as a dove:

“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves."-Matthew 10:16.



To think and be as cautious as a serpent is to see evil because evil is associated with the serpent, it takes one to know one.
We see the serpent today, the NHS use it and sure enough the NHS is an evil organisation.



posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: Cwantas

The use of a serpent as a symbol in medicine is nothing sinister and has it's roots in ancient Greece:

www.livescience.com...


How is the NHS evil?



posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Cwantas

The use of a serpent as a symbol in medicine is nothing sinister and has it's roots in ancient Greece:

www.livescience.com...


How is the NHS evil?


It also symbolises evil. It's not unusual for evil symbolism to be used under the guise of goodness, as for why the NHS is an evil organisation I'm afraid that's above your pay level, sorry.
Symbolism in it's self is evil.
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posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: Cwantas

Well, I have direct experience of the NHS. Do you?

Saved my life twice, gave me a new hip and saved Mrs Carpy, too.

What has my "pay level" got to do with it?



posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Cwantas

Well, I have direct experience of the NHS. Do you?

Saved my life twice, gave me a new hip and saved Mrs Carpy, too.

You see your questioning makes me think you believe that I meant everyone in the UK has an evil negative experience with the NHS, and if that is the case then how do I explain to you what I meant. So you either take every statement in a literal sense, your pedantic by nature, or your a passive aggressive, what am I to do?

Look how the education system in the US is used for the purposes of evil, but education is a good thing and people leave with an education, do you see?

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posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: Cwantas

Well, instead of blathering, just explain why you think the NHS is evil?

Simple, really?



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posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: Cwantas

Really, you get that, bit simplistic maybe
Jesus addressed Jews mostly, also rules and laws
How do I comprehend Jesus when I am not a Jew, not under Mosaic rules and laws
You don’t know

The few times Jesus spoke to gentiles, he spoke of loving and caring for others, grace and faith
You should consider studying the bible outside of Gnosticism, understand it, then make a choice.



posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: GENERAL EYES

I hope that you are getting something positive from this thread.


I re-read the article and thought about your trip to the bar.
Here's what Moore, former SBC leader said,

Moore went to to say that he did not think it would be possible to "fix" Christianity by "fighting a war for the soul of evangelicalism," urging his concerned brethren to instead fight "small and local" battles like refusing to go along with the current "church culture."

In a way, that's what the trip to the bar was.

I have to stretch a bit to empathize, because I'm not much like my siblings. I easily went from denomination to denomination; from strict sectarian to Pentecostal, to Lutheran, to very liberal, Disciple of Christ. My brothers and sisters mostly stayed in the sectarian church.

One time in an on-line discussion, my brother started writing stuff that I didn't comprehend. I told him to shut up, right in front of the other people; they took that as an opportunity to make fun of us.

He later explained that what he was saying was for the benefit of those who were feeling uncomfortable about their current congregational status and might want to look elsewhere. It never crossed my mind that change of denomination could be a problem for people.

I shouldn't judge others by my own behaviors and choices or what I find easy to do. After all people quite often do things quite easily which I struggle to do and fail.

So I hope this helps.



posted on Aug, 11 2023 @ 08:11 PM
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Jesus said: “I set the pattern for you, that just as I did to you, you should also do.” (John 13:15) When it comes to politics, what pattern did Jesus set?

Did Jesus get involved in politics?

No. Jesus did not get involved in the politics of the world.

Jesus did not seek political power. He refused to accept control of human governments when Satan the Devil offered him “all the kingdoms of the world.” (Matthew 4:8-10)* On another occasion, people who recognized Jesus’ leadership qualities tried to push him into politics. The Bible reports: “Jesus, knowing that they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again to the mountain all alone.” (John 6:15) Jesus did not yield to the will of the people. Instead, he refused to get politically involved. (*: When Jesus refused, he did not dispute Satan’s authority to make such an offer. He later called Satan “the ruler of the world.”—John 14:30)

Jesus did not take sides on political issues. For example, in Jesus’ day the Jews resented paying taxes to the Roman government and viewed these as an unjust burden. When they tried to get Jesus to take sides on the issue, he did not get into a political debate about whether such taxes were just. He told them: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” (Mark 12:13-17) He remained neutral on the political issue but showed that the taxes demanded by the Roman civil authority, which represented Caesar, should be paid. At the same time, he showed that obedience to secular authority was limited. A person was not to give the State what was due to God, including devotion and worship.—Matthew 4:10; 22:37, 38.

Jesus promoted a heavenly government, God’s Kingdom. (Luke 4:43) He did not get involved in politics because he knew that God’s Kingdom, not human governments, would achieve what God wants for the earth. (Matthew 6:10) He understood that God’s Kingdom would not operate through human governments but would replace them.—Daniel 2:44.

Did first-century Christians get involved in politics?

No. Jesus’ followers obeyed his command to be “no part of the world.” (John 15:19) They followed his example and remained separate from the world’s politics. (John 17:16; 18:36) Rather than get involved in political matters, they did the work Jesus commanded—preaching and teaching about God’s Kingdom.—Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 10:42.

First-century Christians put obedience to God first in their lives, but they also knew that they had to respect secular authorities. (Acts 5:29; 1 Peter 2:13, 17) They obeyed the laws and paid taxes. (Romans 13:1, 7) While they did not get involved in politics, they did make use of legal protections and services that governments provided.—Acts 25:10, 11; Philippians 1:7.

The Bible clearly shows that neither Jesus nor his early followers got involved in politics. And so does secular history.

Early Christians and politics—what secular history reports
  • “Christians refused to share certain duties of Roman citizens. . . . They would not hold political office.”—On the Road to Civilization—A World History, page 238.

  • “There is not a shred of evidence which would allow us to think that Jesus had military/political ambitions, and . . . the same applies to the disciples.”—Jesus and Judaism, page 231.

  • “To a Christian his religion was something apart from and superior to political society; his highest allegiance belonged not to Caesar but to Christ.”—Caesar and Christ, page 647.

  • “[The apostle] Paul was willing to use his Roman citizenship to demand the protections of the judicial process due him, but he engaged in no lobbying on the public policy issues of the day. . . . Though they believed they were obligated to honor the governing authorities, the early Christians did not believe in participating in political affairs.”—Beyond Good Intentions—A Biblical View of Politics, pages 122-123.

  • “There was a conviction widely held among Christians that none of their number should hold office under the state . . . As late as the beginning of the third century Hippolytus said that historic Christian custom required a civic magistrate to resign his office as a condition of joining the Church.”—A History of Christianity, Volume I, page 253.

  • “While they [the Christians] inculcated the maxims of passive obedience, they refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . It was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”—The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, by Edward Gibbon, Vol. I, p. 416.

In contrast, in case you didn't notice, the pastor/theologian interviewed in the OP's article, Russell D. Moore, is up to his neck involved in politics. After a quick glance at his wikipedia page, I noticed such things as:

In the early 1990s, prior to entering the ministry, Moore was an aide to U.S. Representative Gene Taylor of Mississippi, a Democrat who later switched political parties and joined the Republican Party in 2014.

Also, because the article in the OP and his comments in the interview are couched in political language, it demonstrates that his commentary is being used by these leftwing media outlets as leftwing political propaganda, and he seems to be quite willing to say things that cater to the left or leftwing interests in that regards. He would probably want to cater to both markets, left and right, though. So I wouldn't be surprised if on another occasion his words seem more in support of rightwing politics. From his wikipage it seems he's had a profitable career catering to both markets, telling them what he thinks they want to hear, 'tickling their ears' as per 2 Timothy 4:3,4:

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)
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posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: Merman
a reply to: GENERAL EYES

They are wrong as there is nothing liberal about Christ. He is as severe as any of the OT prophets and even more severe.

What is liberal about this:

Matthew 10:34: “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 12:5: "....fear the One who, after He has killed has authority to cast into Gehenna; yes, I tell you, fear Him."

Matthew 5:29: "....it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into Gehenna."

Matthew 24: 21 -22: For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-and never to be equaled again. 22 "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

After this read ALL of Revelation. It is a horror story for the whole human race that is manifesting in full force as I write. Read Revelation to see how much of the earth the Angels are destroying and will destroy.




Maybe it's not my calling to be a Fierce Warrior.


You were academically corrupt using that without sourcing me as the reference. You and I both know you took that from my thread yesterday.

I neither trust you for your timidity and being too much of a limp biscuit and I certainly don't trust the depraved, hypocritical evangelicals who vote for the disease that is Trump. If both of you are doing what your own hearts tell you and not understanding or even listening to what Christ and His Saints tell you then you are at the best gnostic and at the worst hypocrites. You need to read the BOOK and believe what it tells you, not make up a story of your own. You are not God's Word and neither are the evangelicals who are wolves in sheeps' guise. Look at their pastors! They are all millionaires having robbed their own congregations so they even may have a private jet in some cases. They all screw around behind their wives' congregations' backs. Their wives are happy to turn a blind eye because they have lovely houses with tidy lawns. That is not Christian. They are the Congregation of Satan and they will be swept away like burnt old stumps after the fire in the flash flood.

Do you dare to call me a liar for what I have told you here today or for what I wrote yesterday? See what happens if you call me a liar because what I am writing is from you know where. You are not allowed to call the Holy Spirit a liar. If you do then it is very serious.

I am telling you, my dunked biscuit amigo, that I am telling you the truth. Christ is not a limp biscuit. Yes, in spiritual terms, He is as fierce as David in battile and you know it.

When He returns He will be like this,

Revelation 19:11-16

"The Rider on a White Horse

11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[a] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords."

HE JUDGES AND MAKES WAR.

That is from the Angel telling John who Christ will be when He returns. Do you believe your hippy heart or do you believe John and the Angel?

Your hippy hearts are turning you all limp and you are not defending yourselves or your God. I am not like you. I am a fighter. i do not go gently into that good night. I will fight for my Lord. I am not a wobbling jelly, too frightened to face the dark symphony of THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.

There is a way to be a warrior and never throw a punch. I have always turned the other cheek. I never had a fight. Many of my enemies are actually DEAD in real terms for what they did to me. It scared me to watch what became of them.

Yes, I am a warrior for Christ but I never throw a punch, swipe my sword or shoot my gun. Christ's Sword is THE WORD. Did not John even tell you what it is. I am the ONWARDS CHRISTIAN SOULJAH!

Revelation 19:15: "Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty."

His Sword is in His mouth; SWORD, WORD (S)WORD.

In your thread how often did you even bother to quote Christ or His people? How many times have I done it? Who is being true to THE WORD and who is being true to their own timidity and own version as if they are their own Christ?


Well, I would like to give you a thunderous applause for this post and for your testimonial of the true Teaching of Christ.



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: whereislogic

I would agree with you, but whereas Jesus did not seek a political entry, he did challenge the scribes and Pharisees and in particular, the Sanhedrin!

e Messiah. That was the starting point. The religious authorities were very angry, concerned and upset about that because they considered him a false messiah and they wanted to arrest him and execute him. Jesus made it even harder for them on the Monday because he went straight into the Temple compound and turned the tables over of the moneychangers, and those exchanging animals and birds for the sacrificial system. That was an act of major confrontation.

And the political score of the Sanhedrin …

That is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah. Just before Jesus' Triumphal Entry, we have evidence of what the Sanhedrin was thinking, in John 11: 47, it says ‘Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin, “What are we accomplishing?” they asked, “Here is this man performing many signs. If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our Temple and our nation.”’ John 11:47-48, NIV

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And then there is this…

King James Bible Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.


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So, we see that Jesus is warning those who hide the truth from the people.
It is the same today. I talked with a young Catholic lady, who said that in talks with the Catholic priests in her parish, they told her that they knew that there is an understanding of reincarnation in the Church, but that they do not teach it to the masses.
Additionally, in recent decades, there has been an infiltration of the Church by Marxists. And thus we see an influx of suggestion that to be Christian is to be socialist, etc. There is also the World Council of Churches, an aspect of the UN.
I spoke with a woman who came from Brazil, who told me personally that Marxism had infiltrated the Catholic Church there.
This is also what I unpack from the OP article, written obviously from a more “liberal” media perspective, and the pastor interviewed is an anti-Trumper, which further degrades his position. He is not unbiased. In fact, those who have moved “left” in the Church would see Trump as an opponent. In fact, the OP article is a heads up to me as to the political motive of the publication cited, “Christianity Today.”
However, I would put some of the blame on not teaching the word of Christ in the context of which would have been intended during the time of His life. Instead, they try to teach that Christ was a socialist or some other deviation which to them supports their worldview(including some very controversial and left-leaning “woke” policies.
edit on 13-8-2023 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

edit on 13-8-2023 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



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