UFO whistleblower David Grusch says medical records leaked

a reply to: putnam6

The Intercept looks like a kickass news organization and probably has very little problem getting whistleblowers or snitches...they describe themselves as fearless and adversarial journalism to expose corruption.

Let's see what they may have dug up when their article comes out. I suspect it won't be something as mundane as an article on PTSD, don't see it.

theintercept.com...

originally posted by: ITSALIVE

originally posted by: kangawoo
Ross is so articulate,and ticks all the boxes.

I hope this attempt at discrediting Grusch backfires. PTSD does not make a person delusional.

Go get em boys....

It does make someone impressionable, unstable and more easily influenced. Considering how many people here believe the government is holding secret UFOs secretly keeping secrets it’s not hard to assume one with a compromised condition could be used or taken advantage of.

Absolutely I agree 100%,

the telling part is the evidence he has submitted to Congress still motivated them to act, it's not just on Grusch's words or thoughts on the matter. It's documented interviews where Congress can and probably has already corroborated some of the quotes from the witnesses.


Not to mention the DoD allowed Grusch to maintain his security clearance as well as his job, throughout all of this, I think it's important to note that.

IIRC he has episodes in 2014 and 2018 one would think he would have been cleared by the military's own doctors. Makes it kind of ridiculous to claim now he has PTSD issues, if that was the case there would have been other actions taken instead of letting him continue.

a reply to: quintessentone

Agree.

originally posted by: nugget1
I think one thing that needs to be taken into consideration is false memories. If I'm not mistaken, a lot of government funding went to studying their creation and use.

People suffering from PTSD are said to be exceptionally susceptible; is he being used as part of the 'disclosure' agenda? Was he given false memories?

Or has he created his own false memories? That's easy to do even without PTSD

originally posted by: chunder

I think this is a deliberate pre-emptive ploy.

Which seems to have backfired if one of the two incidents mentioned was this.

It wasn’t ptsd, Ross and David are saying that because they know the police report about him shooting at aliens and his wife calling the police in 2018 will be bad.

The source links to comments on a reddit ufo post but I couldn't see it there - either way should be treated as unverified.

originally posted by: StrangeApes
If you can’t assassinate the person, assassinate the character.

I think they CAN assassinate this fellow and he wouldn't be the first, I'm sure.

originally posted by: quintessentone

The Intercept looks like a kickass news organization and probably has very little problem getting whistleblowers or snitches...they describe themselves as fearless and adversarial journalism to expose corruption.

Mate 'The Intercept' is a known honeypot for whistleblowers.

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: quintessentone

The Intercept looks like a kickass news organization and probably has very little problem getting whistleblowers or snitches...they describe themselves as fearless and adversarial journalism to expose corruption.

Mate 'The Intercept' is a known honeypot for whistleblowers.

I am new to this conspiracy stuff, so I'm still learning where whistleblowers hang out. Ebay founder funding The Intercept, so we know they must be paid well.

Reckon it would be too late now and achieve the opposite of what they’d hope


a reply to: FlyersFan2

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: quintessentone

The Intercept looks like a kickass news organization and probably has very little problem getting whistleblowers or snitches...they describe themselves as fearless and adversarial journalism to expose corruption.

Mate 'The Intercept' is a known honeypot for whistleblowers.

Yep, I like the Intercept's articles and stories but, let's see what their angle is on this. I imagine if they attack Grusch's mental health after one of his friends in the military commits suicide, and that's it, they will look like complete azzhats, Perhaps they are digging for more information, but hell are we going to dismiss every evidentiary claim by every military person with PTSD?

PTSD doesn't mean he made up all of his interviews and fabricated evidence, again all Grusch has said is here is the evidence I've collected, it's my opinion Congress needs to look into this. Nothing more nothing less.

Seems to me we got a decorated military veteran, doing the exact job he was given to do. it's not like he was some fooking janitor and overheard a conversation. It's over 40 witness interviews in 4 years, witnesses from the DoD and IIRC the defense and aerospace companies too.

a reply to: putnam6

medical records leaked

And so it begins. Cue in the attack dogs at MSNBC.

Something doesn’t quite add up here... How are they going to smear him if he admits it himself he has PSTD? Any release of that would only make him look good since he admitted it.

So, where’s the smear?

originally posted by: introufo
Something doesn’t quite add up here... How are they going to smear him if he admits it himself he has PSTD? Any release of that would only make him look good since he admitted it.

So, where’s the smear?

Who knows, complete speculation

perhaps Grusch was smart enough to see this eventuality and it's why he brought it up in his News Nation interview that wasn't aired, as it wasn't deemed necessary. So then the Intercept gets a call from somebody with dirt on Grusch and they pay for the info, only to find out Grusch isn't hiding that fact, thus neutralizing the issue somewhat if not completely

This is a low blow by the higher ups,not surprising but low.
But it sucks as an attempt to discredit Mr Grusch if they are going for the idea he is unstable in some way-Because he is not a witness to any alien tech,he has merely been told by many high up military people that such things are held by government associated groups.

Plus-they let him keep his clearance after being treated for the PTSD so his employers must have held him in high regard,or at least found him to be honest and reliable enough to keep his clearance level.

Also,the way Grusch got treatment and told his employers,presumably risking his job until he got re evaluated-that shows us he did things by the book,even at risk of his own job.

Like the way he became a whistleblower by the book,in the correct way and for good reasons.

He is consistent.

a reply to: putnam6


If anything all this gets more attention both Grusch and the subject. Time will tell re all this.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

But it sucks as an attempt to discredit Mr Grusch

Discredit what exactly?

Has he provided any real evidence to prove his claims?

Has he made any claims that are even new?

Are any of his claims supported by anything other than hearsay, and or speculation?

Is it really a good thing that he's keeping all the man-made technology secret for the government?

I think people would be able to wrap their heads around the possibility of UFOs and aliens, if they first knew about things like the government having had steerable plasma technology for decades.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: putnam6


If anything all this gets more attention both Grusch and the subject. Time will tell re all this.

That means the distraction is working.

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
This is a low blow by the higher ups,not surprising but low.
But it sucks as an attempt to discredit Mr Grusch if they are going for the idea he is unstable in some way-Because he is not a witness to any alien tech,he has merely been told by many high up military people that such things are held by government associated groups.

Plus-they let him keep his clearance after being treated for the PTSD so his employers must have held him in high regard,or at least found him to be honest and reliable enough to keep his clearance level.

Also,the way Grusch got treatment and told his employers,presumably risking his job until he got re evaluated-that shows us he did things by the book,even at risk of his own job.

Like the way he became a whistleblower by the book,in the correct way and for good reasons.

He is consistent.

Exactly...


How about letting the 40 witnesses speak to Congress in a SCIF if needed, given full immunity?

How about releasing any info prior to 1980 ?

How about our President get involved and demand DoD and any other departments' cooperation?

then if Congress deems it necessary to keep this stuff secret so be it, cause respectfully the DoD isn't supposed to be working on any weapons systems without government oversight.

not to mention if they have doled out parts and vehicles to corporations, and they still have no clue, how about letting the whole world get a look perhaps somebody has fresh ideas that is if they really have no clue.

It's those 40 witnesses who independently told Grusch many accounts with the exact same detail

It's like Jared Moskowitz says if it's bogus no reason to attack Grusch's mental health



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Grusch told Coulthart that PTSD doesn’t affect him anymore and that it has not impacted the information he has come forward with about UFOs. Coulthart believes there should be an investigation into how Grusch’s records were shared.

“For anyone to seek to use the suffering of veterans, people who are dealing with PTSD, is utterly reprehensible. It’s contemptible and it should be exposed,” Coulthart said. “There should be an investigation into how a sensitive file like this was so obviously leaked within the intelligence community to try and discredit a good human being.”

Grusch, a former Air Force officer and intelligence official, recently testified before Congress that the U.S. has a secret UFO retrieval program and that people have been harmed in government cover-ups of UFO technology.

Here's a man who worked with Grusch after both of his PTSD episodes in 2021-2022

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: Silcone Synapse

But it sucks as an attempt to discredit Mr Grusch

Discredit what exactly?

Has he provided any real evidence to prove his claims?

Has he made any claims that are even new?

Are any of his claims supported by anything other than hearsay, and or speculation?

Is it really a good thing that he's keeping all the man-made technology secret for the government?

I think people would be able to wrap their heads around the possibility of UFOs and aliens, if they first knew about things like the government has had steerable plasma technology for decades.

Once again it's not difficult to follow, Grusch interviewed 40 independent witnesses in the military and defense and aerospace industry over 4 years, and many had the same stories and details. These interviews are about classified information it can't be just released so IndieA and putnam6 are satisfied.

However, some of the information was reviewed by members of Congress in a SCIF and it was compelling enough for them to have a hearing and hopefully find out more information from the DoD and probably the intelligence community. Sure it could still be a lie, but we got Burchett, Moskowitz Luna, and others, that have seen more than what the public, saying they have seen enough and have questions for the DoD and intelligence community.

a reply to: IndieA


Very much so.