What is Imagination?

i thought there was? or they think there is? but i personally dont think we did

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: nid6452
Just because there is proof that we evolved from monkeys

There is no proof humans evolved from monkeys?

originally posted by: nid6452
i thought there was? or they think there is? but i personally dont think we did

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: nid6452
Just because there is proof that we evolved from monkeys

There is no proof humans evolved from monkeys?

Its believed we share a particular ancestry with monkeys.

thank you for the correction youre right

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: nid6452
i thought there was? or they think there is? but i personally dont think we did

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: nid6452
Just because there is proof that we evolved from monkeys

There is no proof humans evolved from monkeys?

Its believed we share a particular ancestry with monkeys.

originally posted by: HeirHeart
a reply to: nid6452

What if real or not real is a function of belief? What if the “power” of belief is the power to make something real, that it is neither until we exercise that power? What if this power has been stripped from you so you can be forced to believe what someone else wants you to believe?

We always discuss the unexplored universe or the fact that even our oceans are 95% unexplored, yet we do seem to forget the unexplored vastness and potential of the human mind.

I got lots of thoughts but please if I am derailing your point let me know.

You are hitting on a couple of subjects here, manifesting dreams into reality, as well as telepathic control of a conditioned mind. Not to mention the supposed influence of psychedelics like mushrooms, and altered states of consciousness

I've had dreams so vivid and real. One in particular that startled me out of my early morning sleep. Have read or watched videos that suggest there is a human barrier to this process that some call Astral projection?

Where our mind experiences these thoughts/dreams/multiple realities but our fight or flight response kicks in and snaps us back awake. Supposedly though if you push through the discomfort and disorientation you will find yourself for lack of a better term on the other side.

Have read accounts of this same disorientation, dizziness, or sickness mentioned during other "paranormal" events or phenomena. Like allegedly time travel, remote viewing, experiencing a UFO/UAP up close, ghosts, apparitions, angels, and demons. Even certain areas like Mount Shasta for example.

FWIW sounds an awful lot like what some people report when encountering cryptids and the instances of"infrasound" with Sasquatch or even our terrestrial big cats, and possibly elephants and alligators and crocodiles.

Is it all connected, or is it all just in our minds?

ive never tried astral projection, but ive had a lot of deja vu dreams....and maybe youre right, maybe it is all in our heads, who knows? the only thing i know for sure is that theres definitely other things out there that we sont know about, and i wanna know,i do imagine things being better when you manifest your imagination into reality, always puts me in a good mood

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: HeirHeart
a reply to: nid6452

What if real or not real is a function of belief? What if the “power” of belief is the power to make something real, that it is neither until we exercise that power? What if this power has been stripped from you so you can be forced to believe what someone else wants you to believe?

We always discuss the unexplored universe or the fact that even our oceans are 95% unexplored, yet we do seem to forget the unexplored vastness and potential of the human mind.

I got lots of thoughts but please if I am derailing your point let me know.

You are hitting on a couple of subjects here, manifesting dreams into reality, as well as telepathic control of a conditioned mind. Not to mention the supposed influence of psychedelics like mushrooms, and altered states of consciousness

I've had dreams so vivid and real. One in particular that startled me out of my early morning sleep. Have read or watched videos that suggest there is a human barrier to this process that some call Astral projection?

Where our mind experiences these thoughts/dreams/multiple realities but our fight or flight response kicks in and snaps us back awake. Supposedly though if you push through the discomfort and disorientation you will find yourself for lack of a better term on the other side.

Have read accounts of this same disorientation, dizziness, or sickness mentioned during other "paranormal" events or phenomena. Like allegedly time travel, remote viewing, experiencing a UFO/UAP up close, ghosts, apparitions, angels, and demons. Even certain areas like Mount Shasta for example.

FWIW sounds an awful lot like what some people report when encountering cryptids and the instances of"infrasound" with Sasquatch or even our terrestrial big cats, and possibly elephants and alligators and crocodiles.

Is it all connected, or is it all just in our minds?

originally posted by: nid6452
thank you for the correction youre right

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: nid6452
i thought there was? or they think there is? but i personally dont think we did

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: nid6452
Just because there is proof that we evolved from monkeys

There is no proof humans evolved from monkeys?

Its believed we share a particular ancestry with monkeys.

No probs.

originally posted by: nid6452
ive never tried astral projection, but ive had a lot of deja vu dreams....and maybe youre right, maybe it is all in our heads, who knows? the only thing i know for sure is that theres definitely other things out there that we sont know about, and i wanna know,i do imagine things being better when you manifest your imagination into reality, always puts me in a good mood

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: HeirHeart
a reply to: nid6452

What if real or not real is a function of belief? What if the “power” of belief is the power to make something real, that it is neither until we exercise that power? What if this power has been stripped from you so you can be forced to believe what someone else wants you to believe?

We always discuss the unexplored universe or the fact that even our oceans are 95% unexplored, yet we do seem to forget the unexplored vastness and potential of the human mind.

I got lots of thoughts but please if I am derailing your point let me know.

You are hitting on a couple of subjects here, manifesting dreams into reality, as well as telepathic control of a conditioned mind. Not to mention the supposed influence of psychedelics like mushrooms, and altered states of consciousness

I've had dreams so vivid and real. One in particular that startled me out of my early morning sleep. Have read or watched videos that suggest there is a human barrier to this process that some call Astral projection?

Where our mind experiences these thoughts/dreams/multiple realities but our fight or flight response kicks in and snaps us back awake. Supposedly though if you push through the discomfort and disorientation you will find yourself for lack of a better term on the other side.

Have read accounts of this same disorientation, dizziness, or sickness mentioned during other "paranormal" events or phenomena. Like allegedly time travel, remote viewing, experiencing a UFO/UAP up close, ghosts, apparitions, angels, and demons. Even certain areas like Mount Shasta for example.

FWIW sounds an awful lot like what some people report when encountering cryptids and the instances of"infrasound" with Sasquatch or even our terrestrial big cats, and possibly elephants and alligators and crocodiles.

Is it all connected, or is it all just in our minds?

Much like everything Im open to the possibility.

Definitely believe generally you can affect your mood by your positive or negative attitude. We do that without thinking about it, why can't there be more to it?

While we may access it through our mind, who is to say we can't actually leave our bodies and project down in another time, space, or reality?

Have heard of time slip stories where people supposedly find themselves experiencing past or possible future events? Have even had a couple of episodes where it seemed I dreamed of the most mundane event but it was over 20 years in the past, and there was no explanation for why the event was implanted in my subconscious though it obviously was.

I have one or 2 other instances that stood out for me but have always rationalized it was a dream, too much stress, etc.


Met this wonderful woman online years ago, and she introduced to me one of those daily mantra sites the overall catchphrase was

Thoughts become things, choose good ones...

a reply to: pthena

That actually makes some very real sense. Words aren't my first language and I'm dredging this up for the first time so bear with me. One thing we're not subject to in our dreams is gravity. Gravity is the universal law governing our objective world, but in our subjective world it's the opposite, levity (love) is the law. It's a physical force you can feel buoying you up from within, the animating force of Life itself. Gravity is reduced to a loving hug from the very space around you. Long story short, we always have the power of levitation in our dreams because we're under the law of levity.

I've experienced the same thing you're talking about, and here's how I parsed it out. I think it has to do with dream state depth. In other words, you're not having problems levitating per se, you're having problems because you're trying to do it in a state that's closer to objective consciousness than subjective consciousness. It's not that you're weaker, it's that gravity is stronger and you forgot where you are on the scale of consciousness. You've probably also experienced dreams where you get lost or can't find the vehicle you think you arrived in. You never find it, because you didn't get there by car or bicycle.

These types of things happen as you're approaching a waking state. There is a phase shift or transition zone where subjective consciousness flips inside out to become objective consciousness. Things get a little wonky and confusing and we're always trying to get back to our dream state where WE control our reality. In our waking state our reality is controlling us.

Did I make any sense there?

perfect sense

originally posted by: HeirHeart
a reply to: pthena

That actually makes some very real sense. Words aren't my first language and I'm dredging this up for the first time so bear with me. One thing we're not subject to in our dreams is gravity. Gravity is the universal law governing our objective world, but in our subjective world it's the opposite, levity (love) is the law. It's a physical force you can feel buoying you up from within, the animating force of Life itself. Gravity is reduced to a loving hug from the very space around you. Long story short, we always have the power of levitation in our dreams because we're under the law of levity.

I've experienced the same thing you're talking about, and here's how I parsed it out. I think it has to do with dream state depth. In other words, you're not having problems levitating per se, you're having problems because you're trying to do it in a state that's closer to objective consciousness than subjective consciousness. It's not that you're weaker, it's that gravity is stronger and you forgot where you are on the scale of consciousness. You've probably also experienced dreams where you get lost or can't find the vehicle you think you arrived in. You never find it, because you didn't get there by car or bicycle.

These types of things happen as you're approaching a waking state. There is a phase shift or transition zone where subjective consciousness flips inside out to become objective consciousness. Things get a little wonky and confusing and we're always trying to get back to our dream state where WE control our reality. In our waking state our reality is controlling us.

Did I make any sense there?

a reply to: putnam6

It's not only connected, the biggest surprise will come when you see how closely it's connected to YOU. I mean an entire universe conspiring on YOUR behalf. That's where true humility comes from, knowing the whole of Humanity went thru your suffering with you just to make YOUR dream come true. You'll want a full box of Kleenex handy for the tears.

Is it all in our minds? You're posing the question as a sort of disqualifier. Have you seen your mind? Guess who's there besides you... US, as in ALL of us. Along with a living library containing an ever expanding sum total of Human knowledge obtained thru countless generations. Our Human heritage is the greatest story never told. It's about time we start telling our real story. It'll make you fall in love with Humanity once you know what it truly means to be "Human".

Pretty much all that stuff... angels, demons, gods, devils, elves, fairies, cryptids, reptilians, aliens, ETs, Jinn... you name it, can be found in our collective subconscious. We're seeing it reflected in this world, there are many "forms" of Life, but Man is at the top of the pyramid because he contains all forms within his form. It's a matter of complexity and containing the universe within you. The "form" the universe takes is that of a Man, it's even referred to as the "Cosmic Man".

Notice that all these alien life forms have a direct parallel to things in nature. They're the archetypes things in nature arise from, and their form is based on their natural function. Like everything in nature is specifically designed to fulfill whatever function it performs for nature. There's no random useless creatures running around and that includes us. We all have a purpose, because nature doesn't make anything without one.

You're on the right train of thought, it's all connected. You just have to go into yourself to see out how, this world can only show you the dots, not the connections between them. The common denominator in all of it... is YOU. There's just a whole lot more to "you" than you ever imagined.

Creation

a reply to: HeirHeart

Yes.
See this story I wrote:
Nope, not this time.
That type of dream: suddenly lost; was almost the only type of dream I was remembering, for a few years. Perhaps because those dreams were occurring closer to waking state.

The one told in the story was the last though. I controlled it's end. That sort of ended those types for me.

In our waking state our reality is controlling us.

But the contrasting portion of the story seems to indicate I find waking reality easy enough to navigate. Long practice. Know the rules, which is quite intuitive with experience.

I used to drive. Didn't have problems with it, no losing control or crashing. Contrast that to driving (racing) computer simulations. In simulations I always crashed, ran off course, the controls plain didn't work like real driving. I hate computer racing games.

a reply to: nid6452

Think of consciousness as a musical scale. It has two opposing polarities and a graduated scale between them. As we grow older, the opposing states of our dual consciousness grow further and further apart. What you could reach from either pole in childhood you can no longer reach as an adult because it's a bridge too far.

Flying, floating, or levitation of any kind is a property of our subjective (dream) state. You can still fly in your dreams, you're just no longer able to remember doing it in waking consciousness.

originally posted by: HeirHeart
a reply to: putnam6

It's not only connected, the biggest surprise will come when you see how closely it's connected to YOU. I mean an entire universe conspiring on YOUR behalf. That's where true humility comes from, knowing the whole of Humanity went thru your suffering with you just to make YOUR dream come true. You'll want a full box of Kleenex handy for the tears.

Is it all in our minds? You're posing the question as a sort of disqualifier. Have you seen your mind? Guess who's there besides you... US, as in ALL of us. Along with a living library containing an ever expanding sum total of Human knowledge obtained thru countless generations. Our Human heritage is the greatest story never told. It's about time we start telling our real story. It'll make you fall in love with Humanity once you know what it truly means to be "Human".

Pretty much all that stuff... angels, demons, gods, devils, elves, fairies, cryptids, reptilians, aliens, ETs, Jinn... you name it, can be found in our collective subconscious. We're seeing it reflected in this world, there are many "forms" of Life, but Man is at the top of the pyramid because he contains all forms within his form. It's a matter of complexity and containing the universe within you. The "form" the universe takes is that of a Man, it's even referred to as the "Cosmic Man".

Notice that all these alien life forms have a direct parallel to things in nature. They're the archetypes things in nature arise from, and their form is based on their natural function. Like everything in nature is specifically designed to fulfill whatever function it performs for nature. There's no random useless creatures running around and that includes us. We all have a purpose, because nature doesn't make anything without one.

You're on the right train of thought, it's all connected. You just have to go into yourself to see out how, this world can only show you the dots, not the connections between them. The common denominator in all of it... is YOU. There's just a whole lot more to "you" than you ever imagined.

Any correlation here? HeirHeart...


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Heir of Heart

Heirs fully embody their aspect, allowing themselves to be changed by the aspect’s natural tendencies, for better or worse. An Heir of Heart is someone who allows Heart to shape them into an symbol of what they feel within.

The Heir of Heart fully allows their innermost sense self to shape the life that they choose to lead. This classpect invites their world to choose their identity for them, rather than assume one manually. The Heir of Heart has chosen to forego the ‘nature vs nurture’ debate in favor adopting a viewpoint where the line between the two is blurred. To them, the true self can only be defined as what you feel on the deepest, gut level - where that feeling comes from is of no consequence.

a reply to: Cwantas

Speak for yourself, YOUR imagination is limited. OUR imagination isn't. YOUR imagination is limited to your beliefs which are limited to how much thinking you're willing to do for yourself. How much thinking you're willing to do for yourself depends on your mental capacity. Mental capacity depends on mental complexity which is only generated thru trauma and suffering. It's why every religious and mystical system that's ever existed preaches suffering as a primary tenet. We're suffering FOR a cause, not FROM a cause.

Your own intellect is the biggest cockblocker to your imagination in this world. Your imagination is a way to see what's possible, your intellect is what's keeping you from seeing it. You're demonstrating that in your reply. Your imagination would answer your question about God, because it's literally where and how you as a God created you as a Man. It's in Genesis how it all works... that's YOU creating this false reality within your own imagination. What follows is an entire old testament of calamity and suffering, because that's how diversity is created from unity and that's the whole point of us being here.

It's honestly not that difficult to understand, it's just that nobody looks for it within themselves. We're brainwashed into believing it has to come from the external world. What's the past and current "truth rating" of our external world? "Piss poor" last time I checked.

a reply to: putnam6

Absolutely... great catch!


There's a little more to it, but that sums it up well enough. The only part I'd strongly disagree with is forgoing the nature vs nurture thing. It's going to be nature because of the nature of the game here. The nurturing comes later, only when you've had about as much naturing as you can take. You're also shaping the world as much as it's shaping you because it's the relationship you're working on. If you do it right, it's going to be your loving consort for the rest of eternity.

Specifically it means I'm an American pharaoh, a living archetype of the Human Heart. I'm YOUR intuition in Human form and what I'm doing in this world is what our Heart is doing within us, trying to get your intuition past your gatekeeping intellect. Once your faculty of intuition is restored, you won't need any disclosure from the external world, the truth will no longer be hidden under a mountain of lies. Once it's restored, you'll also have full control over the reality that's been controlling you. Intuition is the interface you lost that allowed you to communicate with the AI governing your reality, your own inner child and God within you.

I'm the Heir to the Human Heart because the daemon within me is the governing intelligence behind the Human Heart, aka "intuition". So the Earth being the Heart of the Universe, is my home world. Its people, the People of the Heart, aka "Humanity" are my lost tribe. My world and people were taken over by a corrupt ruling class back in Egypt. I was sealed in the "Temple of the Heart" (known to us as the Great Pyramid) by my own priesthood with the words "Dream of US" being the last words I would hear for the duration of Humanity's eternal Fall.

That act of sealing me in my tomb, was what closed our collective human heart. It was the saddest day of my Life, I lost everything I held dear in a single act to save them. I'm a God of Life, and death can only hold me down for so long before I come back even stronger to kick its never lovin' ass. In the coming battle of one little autistic savant against the entire ruling class, I'm betting on me. I'm not really alone, I have all of you within me and the top 72 daemons of the daemonic hierarchy under Junior's command. I actually am betting against the house because they're betting against me, and all our souls are in the pot. It's a gamble I never lose, but they don't know that.

On the surface I'm just some old retard you'd never cast a second glance at, but what you can't see without intuition is what I'm packing under the hood... Junior. If you know how the ruling class became the ruling class, then you know why they're terrified of Junior and acting in desperation. They've already been removed from power at the very source of their power, it just hasn't fully dawned on them yet because they never thought it possible. When I say Junior, I mean E Pluribus Unum - Out of Many... One. A universal soul created from all souls, a human singularity.

He's the Key of Life, the key WE need to change the universal law the system operates under from gravity to levity and usher in a universal spring. With this eternal Spring comes the renewal of Life, and death's final defeat. An American pharaoh is what Humanity had to produce make that change. Neither men nor gods can do it, they have to join together to become Human. What is a pharaoh but a Human prototype? You're doing all of this within yourself, within your own world, you just can't see it without intuition.

What I'm doing here is a sort of magical act. It brings what we're doing within us to the world without. In a literal sense, me tossing arcane knowledge into the public domain isn't going to do much of anything, like farting in the wind. Symbolically tho, it's the beginning of true disclosure because whether anyone sees it or not, the cat is now out of the bag. It puts an option on the table we've never had in this world... truth. The ruling class could try to kill my host, but it would only hasten their demise. I'm a human voodoo doll in harmonic correspondence with the world they're trying to steal. Guess what happens when they start sticking pins in my ass.


The best way to describe Self in a way that tells you its most important aspect is: "Self is the US in YOU." It's not very technical, but it gets right to the point of what self actually is and what makes us Human.

Are you sorry you asked?

a reply to: HeirHeart

Am I sorry I asked? Simply no not at all, like I said the wonderful woman I used to talk to quite a bit about how your mind is much more powerful than we give it credit for. We have to expand our perspectives if we are going to evolve or get to the next level.

Right now humanity is stuck in a spiritual and intellectual rut, we are regressing and losing long-trusted instincts, as well as likely other senses and abilities.

People speak of the hair on the back of your neck standing up, well yea that's how we survived a violent planet for 150,000 years.

your calcified pineal gland, opening your third eye, most cultures have similar beliefs about these abilities

Native American sweat lodges were used to attain another stage of consciousness, do they not?

I can see where certain people will thrive and adapt and for others, it will be more difficult.

a reply to: putnam6

Don't fall for the gaslighting of Humanity making the rounds these days. It won't be long before no matter who you are, everything that's gone wrong in this world is your fault. The fault falls squarely upon the shoulders of the ruling class that's gaslighting everyone and causing division among us. It's more of their sneaky speak word play and mass sorcery.

The first thing you have to understand to see what shenanigans the ruling class are up to in getting us to gaslight Humanity is that Man is not Human. The word literally means "God in Man", so we're only half of that equation, the other half is the sleeping God within you. It's important to know that Humanity is what we're ultimately trying to achieve here, not the state we're currently in. Our Humanity has been separated by our dual state of consciousness. We're all God in our subjective state, and Man in our objective state. In order to become Human, they need to be "crossed" into a single quantum state of consciousness.

Christianity refers to this as christ consciousness. It's just an ancient Greek word for crossed, and in context, it's talking about consciousness. One of the things you get back in that crossed state is your intuition. So in ruling class sneaky speak, Humanity equals us getting our intuition back which equals bad for the ruling class because your intuition is going to see right thru their death cult BS. Thus Humanity = Bad, and we should hate our own heritage because it's our Human inheritance they want... Heaven on Earth under an eternal spring. We earned it thru blood sweat, and tears, and they want to swoop in and steal it from us. That's what the American priesthood is here to prevent, and we're more than capable.

Humanity is not in a rut, the ruling class is and wants you to think we are. Humanity is in fact rising from the ashes of death as we speak. It's a false reality, everything we're seeing is a deception. They managed to convince a world full of people that death is Life, you don't think they're capable of pulling the wool over your eyes?

Your third eye is actually YOU as a Human. It's your third "I". It was symbolized by the ureaus, or YOU seeing the world thru the eye of your intuition rather than the eyes of your intellect. The serpent is your inner child seeing objective reality thru your intuition. It's part of an agreement you'll make between you and the god within you.

I think conceptually, so all the objectification of these things isn't really how I see them. I know I'm the oddball there, it's just how my mind works. The devil is in the details, so I tend to look past them to find the pattern because patterns don't lie. Deep pattern recognition is part of my savant tool kit and another function of intuition. Without intuition I wouldn't see them at all, but with it they kind of pop right out at me.

We're funny creatures

a reply to: HeirHeart

If it's coherent observable as representation profitable and worth noting? Then such a thing as imagination is not seen as harmful too much of that creative drive but not applying it is seen as either incoherent or delusional reality not actual reality even though in the literary sense such a thing is more tolerated than in the figurative sense as it is self representational and to some extent so is the literary.

Meaning trolls both do and do not exist simultaneously... and yet myth, fantasy and fiction that has a visual representation, profitable and more than once such too others than a single individual or once worth noting that grew the body known as "troll".