US Ambassador Warns of Russian False Flag in Black Sea

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US Ambassador warns Russia is planting mines that might sink a ship, and blame on Ukraine.

The U.S. ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) on July 25 repeated U.S. warnings that Russia could use sea mines to blow up a ship and blame the attack on Ukraine.

Ambassador Michael Carpenter said Russia would use such an incident -- known as a false flag attack -- to justify further attacks against civilian ships in the Black Sea.

The U.S. Mission to the OSCE said in a statement issued before Carpenter spoke at a briefing in Washington that its information indicates Russia laid additional sea mines in the approaches to Ukrainian ports.

"We believe this is a coordinated effort by Russia to justify any attacks against civilian ships in the Black Sea and then blame Ukraine," the statement said.

as if Russia wasn't doing enough harm to the world.
if a ship is sunk it will probably be a grain ship. more shortages, panic buying and price rises. many people will suffer so Putin can have a talking point.
at what point does the UN / NATO step in and end this guy?

a reply to: ElGoobero


Nato fiddled around and now is finding out.

a reply to: ElGoobero

It's probably the other way around. Ukraine, or some other unknown entity, like the US maybe, will plant the mines and blame Russia.

Michael Carpenter is probably just preemptively covering US buts before it happens.

Carpenter then worked in the White House as a special advisor for Europe and Eurasia to then-Vice President Bidenand as director for Russia at the National Security Council. From 2015 to 2017, he served in the Pentagon as deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine, Eurasia, and Conventional Arms Control. He has most recently worked as the managing director of the Penn Biden Centerfor Diplomacy and Global Engagement.

So tell me this guy is squeaky clean. Another Biden crony.
Probably played patty-cake with Victoria Nuland when she subverted the Ukrainian government and caused their color revolution.

a reply to: tenbears

.....and found out what ?
Has Russia sank any NATO ships ? Or even tried ?

Putin may be a bit crazy but he's not stupid. Right now, it's a fight between Russia and Ukraine, with NATO helping Ukraine with weapons.

Russia attacks NATO and all bets are off and Putin knows it.

a reply to: LittleJake

It's probably the other way around. Ukraine, or some other unknown entity, like the US maybe, will plant the mines and blame Russia.

I suppose that possibility can’t be ruled out.

But Russia has said they can’t guarantee the safety of ships coming into the Black Sea. What other navy’s are operating there? Who has been carrying out attacks on the grain storage facilities near the ports?

Acting as if Russia is some benevolent actor in the region doesn’t track.

And at this point a ship doesn’t need to sink to devastate exports. Good luck getting insurance on most of those vessels now. So that’s potentially millions of tons in grain disrupted from the global supply.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

The US blew up a Russian pipeline and got away with it scott free.

originally posted by: tenbears
a reply to: ElGoobero


Nato fiddled around and now is finding out.

Yeah, finding out that Russia's military isn't worth #.

a reply to: tamusan

You don't know what you're talking about. Russia could have taken Kyiv in a mater of weeks if they had wanted to. They didn't want to.

Their initial advance toward Kyiv was a faint, a bluff to draw the Ukrainian military away from their main objective of occupying the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

Really?
Doesn’t appear that way in Ukraine.

a reply to: tamusan

originally posted by: LittleJake
a reply to: CriticalStinker

The US blew up a Russian pipeline and got away with it scott free.

Allegedly, we’re definitely on the short list for possible suspects.

But that’s a bit different than implying it wouldn’t be the Russians if something happens in the Black Sea. They’ve been hostile to the grain exports already, and it would be hard to sneak in mines to the Black Sea without the Russians being aware.

originally posted by: LittleJake
a reply to: CriticalStinker

The US blew up a Russian pipeline and got away with it scott free.

I wonder if the US also came up (supporting it) with that plan shooting a (dutch) civilian plane above Ukraine, I know Russia got the blame for that but without good evidence.
Yea Q is could they be that evil but looking at what the CIA/Pentagon had done before it isn't that crazy (and they are like self ruling, presidents doesn't got much insight with what they do (the reason Kennedy wanted it dissolved in 1000 pieces).
And the end result (shooting that civilian plane) was pretty good, planting the seeds of hatred against Russia in the western world. Which they did many many times, blaming Russia for everything, like the Russians where the reason Trump won (russiagate) and so on and on.

Just 1 example with Cuba alone:

So the US the UK and the idiots at NATO are planning a false flag event in the black sea, thanks for the thread.

originally posted by: Cwantas
So the US the UK and the idiots at NATO are planning a false flag event in the black sea, thanks for the thread.

Obviously.

The world is filled with nefarious actors, but thankfully we have an alliance of peace to counter them. Russia, along with China, Iran, North Korea, and Belarus are defending freedom, civil rights, and democracy.

a reply to: ElGoobero

Is this like the nordstream pipeline
The rocket Ukraine launched into Poland
Or the bombs placed on the nuclear power plant?

originally posted by: tamusan
Yeah, finding out that Russia's military isn't worth #.

It's funny how the anti-Russia propagandists keep parroting "Russia's military is worthless, Ukraine is totally kicking their asses and winning!"... And yet here we are. Russia continues to successfully hold the areas they've occupied. Ukraine's military is so useless that despite a flood of money, equipment and support from multiple countries, they still can't do a thing about it.
Go ahead and explain how that works in light of your belief that Russia's military is worthless.

originally posted by: LittleJake
a reply to: tamusan

You don't know what you're talking about. Russia could have taken Kyiv in a mater of weeks if they had wanted to. They didn't want to.

Their initial advance toward Kyiv was a faint, a bluff to draw the Ukrainian military away from their main objective of occupying the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

You purdee much undermined your own credibility with this claim. And your other claims in this thread remain unsupported. Every thing Russia is accused of being likely do is a false flag operation by the US, huh? Does that include the invasion of Ukraine, which the US warned of several weeks ahead of time?

And is NATO also bombing Odessa's port in a false flag operation?

No, the US government isn't known for always telling the truth, but taking the Kremlin line every time in reports about this war is a very naive or disingenuous way to go.

originally posted by: watchitburn
Is this like the nordstream pipeline
The rocket Ukraine launched into Poland
Or the bombs placed on the nuclear power plant?

Don't forget the bombing of the Crimea bridge that was blamed on Russia while Ukrainian officials simultaneously openly admitted to having planned and carried it out.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

So both of us just blabber BS at each other. Fine with me.

a reply to: LittleJake

Watch who is buying Futures.

a reply to: Doxanoxa

Seriously? I don't follow futures much. Are you referring to gold? Linky Dinky please.

Are you referring to this?
Weforum org

Demand for gold has risen by 28% this year, primarily driven by a flight towards safer assets amid soaring inflation, according to a new World Gold Council report.
A significant amount of this demand has come from central banks in recent months.
Turkey was the biggest gold buyer in the third quarter, followed by Uzbekistan and India.
Central banks globally have accumulated gold reserves this year at a pace never seen since 1967, when the US dollar was still backed by the precious metal.

In the quarter ending September, demand for gold was up 28% year-on-year, reaching 1,181 tons, according to a new World Gold Council (WGC) report. The demand for gold this year has been primarily driven by a flight towards safer assets amid scorching inflation.


Gold is regarded as an effective inflation hedge, although some analysts believe this to be true only over extremely long time horizons stretching over a century or more.

A significant chunk of the demand from central banks arose during the previous quarter, setting a record of nearly 400 tons that lifted central bank net purchases to date to 673 tons.