The impotent Aliens

A few questions about the recent Alien/UFO/UAP hoopla.

So apparently after getting here the Alien pilots crash their crafts on a fairly regular basis. Supposedly new radar tech at the time crashed the Roswell craft(s) after traveling through the EM storm of outer space unharmed. Not sure this makes sense?!

But here is what I find rather strange. Crafts and supposedly live Alien pilots were simply abandoned by who ever sent them. With all their advanced tech they were not able/interested to retrieve anything of theirs?

Could it be that all the crashes, if they actually happened, were done on purpose and what we now have in our possession are Trojan Horses, yet to reveal their true purpose?

Another possibility is their hive-mind mentality. They don’t give a flying monkey about individual well-being or safety as long as the queen is protected and breeding.

It’s just interesting to me that the key player in all of this has been absolutely passive/mute since the beginning of the phenomenon. Everybody else is trying to control the narrative.But I guess that’s the nature of the Alien beast…

ATS, what is your take on this?

Addendum:

Please excuse my rough math. Exact data is hard to get. If somebody knows please post and I will update.

We have about 40 million commercial flights a year worldwide. I can’t find the number of private flights that should be added to the first number. And we have about 100 crashes (commercial and private) yearly worldwide. Let’s say that makes about 400k flights per 1 accident.

Now let that number sink in when it comes to UFO crash retrieval teams that are supposedly on standby in various countries…

Either the Aliens have the worst pilots, craft engineers, or both. Theoretically they should be light years ahead of us when it comes to flight safety with virtually zero crashes. Do we really have millions of UFOs visiting planet earth? Without those staggering numbers the on standby retrieval teams make little sense.

a reply to: CyberBuddha

Perhaps genetically modified/manufactured creatures from a civilization far away and advanced enough to send "probe types" first...

Early in orbital sciencia alone, we did not risk a human at first as a species of explorers....and that was just orbital.

But we got the feedback. Just saying....

Mg

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

So apparently after getting here the Alien pilots crash their crafts on a fairly regular basis. Supposedly new radar tech at the time crashed the Roswell craft(s) after traveling through the EM storm of outer space unharmed. Not sure this makes sense?!

It doesn't. This is a VERY common objection, used by people like Mick West to bolster their position. It makes no sense that such flimsy craft could traverse the stars and not be able to handle what the Earth throws at it in the way of lightning or radar turned on by humans.

But this begs the question. Who says these craft are suited for interstellar travel? Who says they have ever done that? It's just an assumption by Earthlings wedded to the Star Trek generation of zooming through space at warp speeds. I see two possibilities: 1.) They are interdimensional craft or 2.) They're from here. Of course, we have no theoretical basis for calling them interdimensional. Physics as we know it cannot support that. In terms of them being from here, we have some anecdotal accounts of underwater or remote bases that 3-D print these craft on an as-needed basis. That itself assumed the Alien Guys (tm) have an established presence here, but it does not contradict the facts as we know them.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

So apparently after getting here the Alien pilots crash their crafts on a fairly regular basis. Supposedly new radar tech at the time crashed the Roswell craft(s) after traveling through the EM storm of outer space unharmed. Not sure this makes sense?!

It doesn't. This is a VERY common objection, used by people like Mick West to bolster their position. It makes no sense that such flimsy craft could traverse the stars and not be able to handle what the Earth throws at it in the way of lightning or radar turned on by humans.

But this begs the question. Who says these craft are suited for interstellar travel? Who says they have ever done that? It's just an assumption by Earthlings wedded to the Star Trek generation of zooming through space at warp speeds. I see two possibilities: 1.) They are interdimensional craft or 2.) They're from here. Of course, we have no theoretical basis for calling them interdimensional. Physics as we know it cannot support that. In terms of them being from here, we have some anecdotal accounts of underwater or remote bases that 3-D print these craft on an as-needed basis. That itself assumed the Alien Guys (tm) have an established presence here, but it does not contradict the facts as we know them.

Thanks for engaging. I’m not a big Mick West fan.

If they’re from here why abandon their pilots? This is all based on the assumptions that we have some of their pilots in custody.

If there was a hidden civilization on planet earth how would they hide their energy output in terms of heat and EM pollution? We have satellites able to detect those factors.

originally posted by: missed_gear
a reply to: CyberBuddha

Perhaps genetically modified/manufactured creatures from a civilization far away and advanced enough to send "probe types" first...

Early in orbital sciencia alone, we did not risk a human at first as a species of explorers....and that was just orbital.

But we got the feedback. Just saying....

Mg

Probes are useful for data mining. NASA got the “dog threw up in the rocket” data right away. It’s another matter when the recipient is 200 light years away. Unless FTL travel is possible. But then why no rescue party…?

I’ll just throw this out there……..

They say when you look at the light of stars your seeing the light of their past

Using standard speed of light travel…..by the time another species gets to earth…..their home world is already hundreds, thousands, millions to billions of years older then when they left..….everything they knew is probably gone if they tried to return. Coming to earth was a one way journey. When they look to the stars they realize their home world is probably gone. That also means communications with a world that no longer exists is ….futile.

Using wormhole travel would be….imo….the only mode of travel in which a species can leave their home world and return to their home world without to much time passing. They may even make it back home in time for dinner.

The reason they crash I suspect is they suffer from the same reasons our aircraft crash……pilot error, poor maintenance, technical failure, loss of life support, fuel exhausted, unfamiliar atmospheric weather….perhaps others.

Advanced doesn’t mean they lack stupidity………otherwise you’d be bowing down to an Alien janitor. (no offense to stupid janitors in general)..

👽

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

So apparently after getting here the Alien pilots crash their crafts on a fairly regular basis. Supposedly new radar tech at the time crashed the Roswell craft(s) after traveling through the EM storm of outer space unharmed. Not sure this makes sense?!

It doesn't. This is a VERY common objection, used by people like Mick West to bolster their position. It makes no sense that such flimsy craft could traverse the stars and not be able to handle what the Earth throws at it in the way of lightning or radar turned on by humans.

But this begs the question. Who says these craft are suited for interstellar travel? Who says they have ever done that? It's just an assumption by Earthlings wedded to the Star Trek generation of zooming through space at warp speeds. I see two possibilities: 1.) They are interdimensional craft or 2.) They're from here. Of course, we have no theoretical basis for calling them interdimensional. Physics as we know it cannot support that. In terms of them being from here, we have some anecdotal accounts of underwater or remote bases that 3-D print these craft on an as-needed basis. That itself assumed the Alien Guys (tm) have an established presence here, but it does not contradict the facts as we know them.

So basically Black Panther’s Wakanda is a documentary film?

a reply to: CyberBuddha

Schuyler summed it up in 1A. Repetition for emphasis.

They are interdimensional craft

Stop trying to understand the nuts and bolts of it. Because they don’t exist….

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: CyberBuddha

Schuyler summed it up in 1A. Repetition for emphasis.

They are interdimensional craft

Stop trying to understand the nuts and bolts of it. Because they don’t exist….

Gave you a star and not trying to be a smart ass. But, … Where’s your proof for that? Are you assuming FTL travel is not possible?

originally posted by: schuyler
I see two possibilities: 1.) They are interdimensional craft or 2.) They're from here.

Didn't you write a killer white paper on the topic? Is it still available?

a reply to: CyberBuddha

Just look at what they do when they get here after travelling thousands of light years, take the odd soil sample, ask stupid questions, preach to a peasant they need to stop destroying the environment and messing with nuclear weapons, a lot of the time they seem to be carrying out some kind of urgent repair with welding gear etc etc.

Ask yourself whether these are the actions you would expect.

Then the appearance, mostly humanoid. Then in those encounters where there is speech, how did they learn the language.

Then there is the frequency of visits - there are hundreds if not thousands of reports where landed UFO's and their occupants were seen - how many soil samples do they need ?

Asking for proof on either side of the fence is nonsensical, if proof was available we wouldn't be discussing things here.

a reply to: chunder

I've always proposed: what if they don't have eyes..bodies..form? And don't need "lights" to "see"...don't need even craft, engines, to eat us or procreate. We have no idea...

Logic...

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: CyberBuddha

Schuyler summed it up in 1A. Repetition for emphasis.

They are interdimensional craft

Stop trying to understand the nuts and bolts of it. Because they don’t exist….

Gave you a star and not trying to be a smart ass. But, … Where’s your proof for that? Are you assuming FTL travel is not possible?

If I had proof we wouldn’t even be discussing it. You need to look at all the high strangeness / ‘cosmic tricksters’ that goes along with the phenomena. And the lack of physical proof. A lack of physical proof, proves that they aren’t necessarily physical - in our sense of the word, at least.

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

But here is what I find rather strange. Crafts and supposedly live Alien pilots were simply abandoned by who ever sent them. With all their advanced tech they were not able/interested to retrieve anything of theirs?

I said in another post that it seems aliens that may be millions of years more advanced than us have a worse safety record than the 737-Max. Also, why do they need running lights, not like they are going to follow FAA rules.

One way to explain all this is that these ships are actually AI machines that have been traveling the Universe for a very long time sending data back to a race long extinct. This would account for the no interaction and why if one crashes no one is coming, or cares, including other AI machines doing the same thing.

Space travel for actual organic life is highly problematic, but for machines, it is not because they literary have all the time they need. As to actual aliens, we need to remember the concept of AI machines was not a reality back then, so it could only be real aliens flying the ship. Today we know that AI machines are actually the better argument.

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

Gave you a star and not trying to be a smart ass. But, … Where’s your proof for that? Are you assuming FTL travel is not possible?

Is it possible?

We have a tendency to just invent things when we hit a wall. We look at how vast the universe is and even light speed is too slow for organic life, so we invent something to overcome it all Star Trek-like. Speaking of Star Trek, to give an example, the transporter was invented to get around the time for the crew to travel to and from a planet etc. Shuttle crafts were too awkward to constantly use. The problem in the real world is there is not enough power in a star to actually transport matter in such a way.

What looks easy could be almost impossible, but wait we then invent dilithium crystals that hold the power of a billion stars so we can turn matter into pure energy and back. Just think the next time you use one of the miraculous replicators to make a cup of Earl Grey tea you basically killed a star in power.

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: CyberBuddha

So apparently after getting here the Alien pilots crash their crafts on a fairly regular basis. Supposedly new radar tech at the time crashed the Roswell craft(s) after traveling through the EM storm of outer space unharmed. Not sure this makes sense?!

It doesn't. This is a VERY common objection, used by people like Mick West to bolster their position. It makes no sense that such flimsy craft could traverse the stars and not be able to handle what the Earth throws at it in the way of lightning or radar turned on by humans.

But this begs the question. Who says these craft are suited for interstellar travel? Who says they have ever done that? It's just an assumption by Earthlings wedded to the Star Trek generation of zooming through space at warp speeds. I see two possibilities: 1.) They are interdimensional craft or 2.) They're from here. Of course, we have no theoretical basis for calling them interdimensional. Physics as we know it cannot support that. In terms of them being from here, we have some anecdotal accounts of underwater or remote bases that 3-D print these craft on an as-needed basis. That itself assumed the Alien Guys (tm) have an established presence here, but it does not contradict the facts as we know them.

Thanks for engaging. I’m not a big Mick West fan.

If they’re from here why abandon their pilots? This is all based on the assumptions that we have some of their pilots in custody.

If there was a hidden civilization on planet earth how would they hide their energy output in terms of heat and EM pollution? We have satellites able to detect those factors.

There are no detected energy signatures from these craft. Potentially none from the civilisation that makes them. They’re either disposable drones piloted by, well, disposable drones - so no drama if one has a whoopsie. Or they’re from a race actually not that much more advanced than us and likely a lot closer than we think. Or they’re the remnants of a once great and advanced race which are being used well beyond their safety period by those not really capable of maintaining them.

a reply to: ARM1986
As was said in the other thread, maybe the grays are a low-end drone or worker bee that are quite disposable to their betters, the Nordics and/or insectoids. These guys wouldn’t care about a gray who got lost in a crash.
They may also be in newbie pilot training, where crashes aren’t that unusual. Happens in the military.

a reply to: CyberBuddha

When I saw the word IMPOTENT in your title, I thought you were providing more info about aliens going to Las Vegas for "therapy" at a secret ranch.

This article describes how they are attracted to Vegas: brobible.com...

a reply to: missed_gear
I agree that at first intelligence is being collected, data is being collected and then conclusions are drawn and further actions! We are dealing with a highly developed race of aliens))

a reply to: chunder


In regards to how many soil samples do they need and as to the soil health on our planet (lots more, ramp it up guys):

Thirty-three per cent of the earth's soils are already degraded— at the current rate of soil degradation, the world could run out of topsoil in about 60 years (Food and Agriculture Organisation). And according to the 'Global Burden of Disease' study (2017), humans ain't happy either.

As for aliens warning peasants and abductees in both grass roots and higher places to stop war, nuclear weapons, poisoning our environment, etc. somebody has to do it because we don't seem to care much now do we?

Who's to say what tools (welding gear) they are using and for what purpose?

Humanoid appearance could be many things, if they are hybrids then they would have learned the language from previous interactions with humans. If advanced humanoid beings, then would it not be reasonable to assume their technology can translate alien speech like our translation apps today?

I'll remain skeptic and believer because that where I have landed because of lack of concrete proof.