Are we to blame... did we create it all ourselves?

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Your body is made up of a collective of cells that harmonize together to manifest you

a reply to: socialmediaclown

Your heaven on earth has the potential to be struck by an asteroid, or any other natural catastrophe, at any time day or night. Your heaven could be turned into a hell on earth any time God, or the devil desires.


Just ask Jobe!

a reply to: LittleJake

We're already in hell. So now what?

a reply to: socialmediaclown

I agree 100%.

Bye!

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: LittleJake

We're already in hell. So now what?

Maybe you're doing it wrong.

a reply to: nerbot

Maybe I am. But if you're implying that you're in heaven, I'm inclined to believe that maybe you're not being totally honest.

a reply to: flice

From what I think I understand, you're saying , our collective consciousness is to blame? I have read that our thoughts create our reality. So who knows. Maybe my 'life' is just a dream I'm stuck in and reality is something way beyound our understanding.
I feel that's the case sometimes, like I'm trying to wake up to the real reality, but for whatever reason, that's blocked.

originally posted by: LittleJake
a reply to: socialmediaclown

No, we do not have that potential, or power.

Luke 4:5-6
The Temptation of Jesus
5 And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, 6 and said to him, “To you I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. 7 If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.”

Satan was given the power to have control over this planet. How else could he offer Jesus that power, if he bowed down to him.

But we still were given free will and a choice.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: flice

Ive always wondered about manifestation on a grand scale.

If it works for individuals then why not the collective?

Do we all literally create reality on the fly?

I once had an experience which I cant deny because I saw it with open eyes, nor can I let myself be 100% absorbed by it... I saw an individual as a source of pure energy. Sort of an "island" from which rings radiated out from... it looked amazing.

I think the individual experience can be shared on some levels, when that energy resonates in a way that matches up. But again, it wont be a complete sync... so my Earth experience might match yours about 92% but the last 8% will set us apart. Ofcourse it might simply je be small differences that we are able to choose to overlook.

I would believe its happening on the fly. I think the idea do "portals" to a different dimension or realm is not about star gates as such, but understanding how to traverse or transcend the interpretation of what we are experiencing.
Mind you, I try to keep a distance to religion here because its my experience that many religious people mistake the mouth for the word being spoken.

Any such portal neednt be super expensive high tech.

I wonder also, if specific experiences are more accessible than others? 🤔
Say fx due to wavelenghts etc... experiences that matchmatch up ever so often.
So if your experience is "2" and mine is "4" then we meet at 8, 16 and 32 fx.

Now can we will our way over to a whole new frequency? 🤔 and again I mean litterally. So if I choose to live on Earth where everything is better and things are getting better. Politicians stop lying and wars end... Im not being "naive" but in fact managed to find my way to that physical experience.

Bringing us back to my initial question:
Are we doing this? What if in my attempt to make reason of this physical experience im caught in right now am contributing to altering YOUR frequency or whatever we call it....? That single source of info that proves that in my world "things are worse". If that is compelling enough, will it cause you to drift from an otherwise happy or content experience?

Imagine the implications of that... both good and bad, but also the responsibility and ability we then have.

originally posted by: ancientlight
a reply to: flice

From what I think I understand, you're saying , our collective consciousness is to blame? I have read that our thoughts create our reality. So who knows. Maybe my 'life' is just a dream I'm stuck in and reality is something way beyound our understanding.
I feel that's the case sometimes, like I'm trying to wake up to the real reality, but for whatever reason, that's blocked.

Yes somewhat, since we dont align up completely (maybe) we can have a near identical experience. And then have disparities that set us apart. But as humans we tend to spend a lot of energy noticing the bad and potential dangers.

The angry wolf is the easiest to feed and get a visible result.

Im not totally on board with things like religion, the secret and so on, because as with anything there are individuals who will use those subjects to enrich themselves rather than share because they didnt realised the benefit of all will make their life better too.

And just to disclaim... I dont believe in communism 😄 but that last part sure does sound like I do haha.

Annoying really that so many of the "good" things have been coined by concepts that way.

a reply to: flice
Thats something I tease my kids about sometimes. When we are at the mall or movies, or skating rink or arcade joint, I tell them none of these strangers exist outside of here until you interact with one of them. At the point you finally speak to one an entire life, family, friends and circumstances all instantaneously fabricate in that moment. They just laugh and tell me I NPC's are not real life.

I am only half joking here though. Sometimes I really do believe that.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: nerbot

Maybe I am. But if you're implying that you're in heaven, I'm inclined to believe that maybe you're not being totally honest.

Belief is a good key so know thy lock.

And I make no implications of permenant state. Life is a raging torrent sometimes and a calm mirror at others.

Be the River and be the flow and you are rarely lost.

a reply to: nerbot

Yes, life has ups and downs, turbulence and calm. That's a natural part of the human experience. But I wasn't referring to fluctuations of emotions and circumstances when I made the claim that we are in hell.

a reply to: flice

Great thread and some interesting ideas to chew on you bring up.

I made another thread yesterday about the control of our hearts and minds which is somewhat related. My aim was to show how we and are sense of reality can be manipulated.

At a core level our sense of reality is governed by the way we choose to perceive it, perfect examples have been posted in this thread by some saying we are in hell and others saying it could be heaven. Two opposite views of the same thing, both of which can be backed up with valid arguments as to why that is. So which is right? Well both are based on the subjective experience of our perception.

If we focus on negative aspects and the accompanying emotions, this is what we will experience, it’s what we will be drawn too. Telling ourselves we can’t achieve this or that will surely guarantee our failure. The opposite is true if we focus on the positive aspects, our virtues and what we can be grateful for. We will feel our self esteem increase and see potential and opportunity.

Are we creating reality on the fly? Not really as we tend to be creatures of habit and patterns which are difficult to change, changing our attitudes is tricky too. So our experiences tend to be similar and what we have come to expect. But we can set down some intentions and achievable goals which will get us started on manifesting the reality we would like to live.

Also the portals you speak of I’ve always been intrigued by, I think they were ancient versions of float tanks in some cases, in others they represent the sealed doors or windows of perception, closed to the undeveloped mind.

a reply to: cooperton

Kind of like the amount of brains we actually use on a daily base?

Then arent we to blame for the way things are in the world we perceive?

The real question is: Why am I not aware of the infinitely many other worlds (configurations of energy and their relation), why am I aware of exactly this one world?

Why is that the real question? Based on your assumptions (correct me if I am work, this is only guessing as you didn't clearly state your assumptions), you are asking about one specific world out of an infinitely many possible worlds. There is no physical or logical reason why those other worlds are not as real as the world you are currently perceiving. Quite the contrary, there are a lot of arguments that those other worlds exist.

So then, the question really is why YOU (not we, you can't argue with an abstract 'we' when it is all based on the observer) are observing exactly this world and why you are not observing some other world instead.

The next question then is: If every single possible world is out 'there', is it possible to change your awareness so that you observe some other world instead of this one you are currently observing?

a reply to: Torlin

Yes, those questions would be amazing to be able to answer. And I think its close to what I believe is going on.
The brain is both the key and the filter. Or... we provide the brain with keys that then determines the filter.

I wonder if I started meditating and reflected only on love or unity... would my filter change and then the physical world around me?

What if there is a version where there is close to perfect balance? Are my other versions searching for that one too? Are we competitive or able to sort of co-exist in the experience?

a reply to: worldstarcountry

It is an entertaining thought I agree hehe.
I get mesmerized over every single npc in fact has an entire life similar to mine... its wild!

Do you sometimes get this? If you fx cross paths with someone and then suddenly get a gist what your life would be like if you were with that person instead?

Its almost like a sneak peak into one of the other versions.

Sometimes mine will last seconds other times a few minutes.

I have never acted on it, but it would be interesting to see what would happen 😄

a reply to: surfer_soul

Yes, when I say "we're in hell" it does corroborate with negative circumstances I witness in the world, some of which I listed (corruption, war, social unrest, poverty, disease) but it goes deeper than that to include ideas that would fall under "conspiracy".

"Hell" by Olde Norse definition, literally means "concealed place, cavern, cave". Philosophically, the first thought that may enter your mind is Plato's famous cave and that would be an accurate parallel. As Plato observed, humanity was trapped in a cave. The only thing they've ever witnessed of the world were shadow puppets projected onto a wall by the light from a fire. This simple projection in a dark world is all they have to go by to create their worldview, their thoughts, their beliefs and ideas. Their belief that "this is all there is of the world" is projected onto their shadow existence and without any new information or data to go by, their world affirms back to them that they are correct.

This is manifestation of limitation. When you have a limited , controlled amount of data to build your knowledge from, what you are then able to process and create is limited and controlled. This results in no growth. The collective society's knowledge base is stunted. Growth is stunted, Intellect is stunted. There is no leveling up. There is no "enlightenment".

Now people are trapped in this "doomloop" forever recycling the same thoughts, same ideas, same patterns, same cultural structure and way of life over and over again. When humans become trapped in repetitive cycles, those cycles turn into our prison. This is Hell.

Down to its fundamental base, everything in our universe is information. Consciousness thrives on information. Our minds consume it and process it every waking moment. We store memories which in turn, builds imagination to construct our future. Like plants need sun, water and soil, we need an abundance of information in order to thrive and insure our continued growth. Consuming an abundance of information is how we evolve.

Information is the nutrient for our consciousness...our soul. It holds the key to our enlightenment and our evolution. It ensures our survival. Therefore, you can imagine... what if someone...an entity or group ever gained control over the flow of information, what would this mean for a civilization. Whoever controls information, rules the world. You could control the flow of data like a water faucet. If you slow down the data flow to small, regulated drips and recycle the same streams of data over and over again, what does this do to human consciousness? Obviously, it stagnates our growth. Without growth, instead of evolution, we regress into devolution. Devolution is death.

The conspiracy is that something or someone is controlling the information that we receive on this planet. Within the ATS community, I don't think anyone has to go out on a limb in order to believe that our access to information is heavily controlled, propagandized, sterilized and restricted. The most important question doesn't pertain to the information that we're being fed. What's more important to consider is the information that's being withheld and why. Is it something pertinent that might liberate humanity from the cave

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: nerbot

Yes, life has ups and downs, turbulence and calm. That's a natural part of the human experience. But I wasn't referring to fluctuations of emotions and circumstances when I made the claim that we are in hell.

Do you think the United States of America is part of the hell you described? If so why...