My Professors 1998 CO2 Position & Around 80 MILLION people see a month of rain in just a few hours

originally posted by: Psychonautics

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Waterglass

we had a much cooler than average spring here in eastern NC. How does that equate with your theory?

So you’re admitting your local climate is abnormal, yet questioning the idea of climate change?

the climate always changes. And if you pay attention, you may seem that it goes in cycles. some small, some very large. But cyclic just the same.

a reply to: Waterglass

I asked for information about how much atmospheric co2 causes global warming. You provided an MIT article about how the earth can regulate its own temperature over millenia, nothing about co2 warming, and an article about how the australian bushfire put so much smoke into the atmosphere that it had a cooling effect, yet again, nothing with co2 and warming.

Also my stars are a glitch that happened back in the day. Nothing to do with the amount of stars people have given me. I mean some are but most aren’t.

Try Cape Town - rain for weeks.
It is our winter-rain season, but this year is very unusually cold and wet.
If this continues they can call it the "Cape monsoon".

originally posted by: Psychonautics

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Waterglass

we had a much cooler than average spring here in eastern NC. How does that equate with your theory?

So you’re admitting your local climate is abnormal, yet questioning the idea of climate change?

How do you explain that the Earth was once a tropical planet full of tropical plants and dinosaurs. No humans then and the planet was hot all over. How do you explain that?

How do you explain that the Earth then went into an ice age. Did humans cause that climate change? The fires from Neanderthals perhaps?

Next the earth warmed up from the ice age. Again did Neanderthals fires cause that, there were very few of them, but I guess that warming was human caused?

Oh, and then before the height of the industrial revolution, the earth went into what was called a little ice age. Did cars cause that? Hmmm, there weren't cars then, maybe cow and horse farts?

Guess what the earth has been warming again.

How do you explain all these dramatic climate changes over billions of years. Were cars the cause of climate change for the dinosaurs? Were gas stoves and furnaces the cause of the great ice age? What caused the earth to dramatically warm again? Was it the rise of humans in caves lighting their pitiful fires? What caused the little ice age? Was it trucks running all over the continents? What caused the earth to warm back up? There were definitely more cows, perhaps the growth in the number of cows.

Explain all that drastic climate change and how gas powered items caused them all and then I'll believe you. Until then, climate change is natural and normal and part of the life cycle of the Earth. We are arrogant little nothings to believe we could cause climate change. It has been going on for as long as earth has existed. Prove me otherwise.

originally posted by: The2Billies
How do you explain that the Earth was once a tropical planet full of tropical plants and dinosaurs. No humans then and the planet was hot all over. How do you explain that?

Farts. Lots and lots of farts. Methane levels rose because of all the vegetarians thriving on the environment.

Then, the Carnivores thrived and had a feast on all the oversized fat leaf-gobblers and things changed until they ate so many of the vegetarians, they turned on themselves.

No wonder so many of the dinosaurs died out.

a reply to: DaRAGE

You cant read between the lines? I am not here to educate you. Use your deductive reasoning

a reply to: Waterglass

You have shown me absolutely nothing in regards to CO2 and warming. Nothing. I told you to show me. Explain it to me like I’m an idiot. Now I have to read between the lines? Don’t take it out on me. You’re the one who brought it up in your original post. Now back up yourself with substance!

I read your articles. They’re insubstantial. No substance. No warming.

a reply to: DaRAGE

You have shown me absolutely nothing in regards to CO2 and warming. Nothing.

Really, there are 100's of articles on CO2 and warming. Look it up as I am not here as your slave.

a reply to: Waterglass

And there are hundreds of articles that back up my stance too.

You created a topic. I asked you for your evidence. You provided nothing of substance. And now you’re on the defence and being argumentative in denial. Clap clap well played.

If you have an argument in one direction. Try to back up that argument with facts. This is a conspiracy forum. Do your own research. I do. I was asking for yours. You couldn’t provide it.

a reply to: ITSALIVE

I am into the US stock markets and read much of the EV research. Back at the ATS "hive" among all those like minded individuals a wall is erected that makes an assumption without allowing for the introduction of an alternate positions.

Here's one web site that I read. One can see the strengths, weaknesses and where the globe is headed and its not what you are preaching along with blowing it all up.

EV Magazine

a reply to: 1947boomer

Dam well written and that's what he said. He felt tat it would tamp it all down. Its been 25 years. I can even remember his name

a reply to: DaRAGE



So what's better than a couple of peer reviewed scholorly paper presentations on the subject. This should fill your bucket list request.

Global Warming

Driving Factors of CO2 Emissions: Further Study Based on Machine Learning

Driving Factors of CO2 Emissions:

Greenhouse gases, especially carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, are viewed as one of the core causes of climate change, and it has become one of the most important environmental problems in the world.

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: DaRAGE

You have shown me absolutely nothing in regards to CO2 and warming. Nothing.

Really, there are 100's of articles on CO2 and warming. Look it up as I am not here as your slave.

Why didn't you answer my post regarding climate change and who caused it?

A brief recap of climate change:

Tropical planet billions of years ago

Climate change occurred, who caused it?

Ice age millions of years ago

Climate change occurred, who caused it?

Climate similar to today's

Climate change occurred, who caused it?

Little Ice Age 14th century

Climate change occurred, who caused it?

Today's climate


Unless you can convince me that ALL this climate change over the last billion years, is abnormal and caused by cars, gas stoves, cow farts, etc. I will NEVER believe that climate change isn't normal and a part of the normal life cycle of the planet.

Prove to me that climate change is NOT normal over the course of the lifespan of the planet, and is NOT happening regularly on a consistent basis throughout the life of the planet. Convince me of this and I'll sell my gas mini-van.

Tell me how common sense looking at the lifespan of the earth is wrong and that only humans and no natural earth cycle is responsible for climate change since the 1400's, and you can prove it using billions of years of past data. (it is there, geologists and archeologists have back tracked it)

a reply to: The2Billies

According to ATS you cut and ran22 minutes ago as in 9:07am CST yet a shock and awe dump!

Why didn't you answer my post regarding climate change and who caused it?

Its 9:15 am est and yours just arrived at 9:06am est. I am not AI or a BOT.

Prove to me that climate change is NOT normal over the course of the lifespan of the planet, and is NOT happening regularly on a consistent basis throughout the life of the planet. Convince me of this and I'll sell my gas mini-van.

Climate change is NORMAl over the course of the lifespan.............

You also have taken what I wrote 100% totally out of context as its my opinion that global warming is the result of increased solar activity and NOT CO2. Please reread what I wrote. I also wont answer your questions as that's not my opinion so I will not pursue it.

Underwater volcanos may be warming the seas up but are rarely mentioned by science , in my area we get nearly 8 foot of rain per year , just leave a bucket outside for a week or so and it will fill up just 8n the last 2 weeks there has been 9 inches of rain .

It is the oxygen content in the atmosphere that people should be worried about as that is declining rapidly and the vast majority of that is produced from the sea and not by trees as we think .

I laugh at anyone who tells me the world is heating up as I seem to remember it a lot lot hotter when I was young under a then orange / yellow sun and with less rain .

I was in the park last week with my dog in short sleeves and this white burning sun was poking through the clouds and my skin was tingling and I felt like I was on fire , every instinct in my body told me to get out of that sun for some reason , I have never had that experience before but I do trust my instincts on this .

The talking heads on the news try and tell me this is the hottest month/year on record lol yet I do not see the tar on the roads melting like i can remember back in the 1970s .

Best of luck with all that lithium batteries in a very cold winter in northern climates , power tools of tradesmen do not live long when kept outside in vehicles or garages long term in minus 30 centigrade.

And no one has thought about what happens if some nutter like me were to take his 350.000 volt stun gun to your electric car , I can tell you from experience that a ICE car does not fair well when zapped

a reply to: Waterglass

We had an extremely dry may in my area of PA. Less than 1/10th of an inch. April was about normal, wetter in the start of the month and drier towards the end. Early June was dry and then the rains started in the second week. Off and on, hit and miss showers but it was welcome. Then more rain showers and storms towards the end. No extreme heat it was fluctuating between sunny and dry and cool and hot. July brought more showers which were still welcome to chip away at the deficit. Corn was now growing and the garden needed less watering. Then on Sunday... the big one. Now I've seen more rain and heavier rain. But this was a deluge in the span of a few hours. Over 5 inches, some areas got a little less, some more. Flooding was bad. But its not global warming that's causing the damage. Its the runoff from development and building in low lying poor drainage areas. These are once in a century storms, these are once in a decade storms. And when i looked at the rivers, they were high but not terribly so. The flooding all occurred in areas around creeks in business areas.

originally posted by: DaRAGE

CO2 accounts for 0.04% of the atmosphere. Up from the 0.02% it used to be (which is close to where plants actually start suffocating).

ie it's doubled in just a few decades

Now you do the maths


btw with regards increased rainfall - that's because a warmer atmosphere holds more moisture. So whilst droughts also become longer and more extreme, when we get heavy rainfall, that rainfall is also heavier and more extreme.

Along with longer and more extreme heatwaves, what we are seeing happening around the world is exactly what scientists were predicting long before Al Gore or any other bandwagon-ing politician started taking the slightest notice.

Of course, not everywhere is hotter/drier/wetter every year. There's still normal seasonal variability. Weather. It's just that the frequency and severity of more extreme events is increasing.

Using GAS, COAL and OIL increases more methane beyond what the world already produces naturally. All that methane in turn is increasing CO2 more than what plants can handle.

a reply to: network dude

If you can get through Deane's constant whining about funding, the reality is a bit disconcerting. Staple food production is already down a third. You can see how shrinklation, and rising prices are pointing to something unprecedented. The tropical and polar jet streams have merged. The MSM is just involved in a total distraction to provide a normalcy bias. Russia is grabbing southern cropland. The abnormal weather hits most places, at the same time that the earth's magnetic field is on a major excursion, at the same time of a deep solar minimum. The real question is not if an ice age is coming, but how fast will the Earth's climate take to return to its normal state? If the merging of the polar and tropical jetstreams are any indication then when they merge into a tropical northern jet stream and the southern equivalent then I would suggest a quick freeze.

a reply to: Waterglass

You haven't seen a lithium or cobalt mine (and waste facilities) if you think EV's will help clean up the earth. They're kind of pretty, in a toxic waste kind of way.

A thousand oil fields are far better for the environment than a few lithium mines.