Saudi 9/11

So this is the best explanation I've found so far that basically confirms what 2 senators, a demycrat and a repubycan, confirmed for America about twenty years ago; Saudi Arabia was responsible for 9/11.

Heck, those classified 28 pages seem to have been classified by Dub-ya so he could cover for his golfing buddies. Anyways, once your eyes are opened to the truth it becomes hard to ignore. We've been sending TRILLIONS of dollars on Saudi Arabia since the 1970's and all of that has been used to empower a sadistic and useless absolute monarchy (House of Saud.)

Time for revenge! Thanks OP for their solid explanation:

In short, yes, there is evidence to suggest that two Saudi intelligence assets, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Basnan, did aid and fund two of the alleged 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.

I’ll begin where FBI investigators allege these Saudi assets met the hijackers. According to the FBI, after hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar arrived in Los Angeles on February 1 2000, they were taken to a cafe by Mohamed Johar. According to a witness, he was tasked to take them to this cafe by an imam assigned to the Saudi consulate, Fahad al-Thumairy. At the cafe, they met with Omar al-Bayoumi, who had been waiting for them. al-Bayoumi approached them when they arrived, and they spoke for half an hour.[1] Bayoumi had been in close telephone and in-person contact with al-Thumairy, and immediately prior to visiting the cafe where he met al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, he was at a meeting at the Saudi Consulate, which was near the cafe.[2] The above facts led the FBI to suspect that the meeting between hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar and al-Bayoumi had been coordinated by al-Thumairy and possibly others at the Saudi Consulate.

al-Thumairy is a fascinating figure. He was an accredited diplomat at the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles between 1996 and 2003, but lost his position in part because he was refused re-entry to the US by the State Department, who determined he may be connected with terrorist activity.[3] This determination was based on an FBI investigation which discovered he led a “radical Islamist faction” at the King Fahad Mosque. He also had telephone contacts with the family of two al Qaida militants, and individuals who are alleged to have assisted in a plot to bomb LAX in 1999. More relevant to this story, he received a phone call from an unidentified person in Malaysia shortly before hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar traveled from Malaysia to Los Angeles. The two hijackers had been in Malaysia attending a meeting with al Qaida operatives in early January 2000. These facts help support the FBI’s contention that al-Thumairy had al Qaida connections, and that he was in a position to arrange this meeting between hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, and al-Bayoumi at the cafe in Los Angeles in February 2000.[1]
Moving on to al-Bayoumi, after he met with the hijackers al Hazmi and al Mihdhar at the cafe, he quickly provided them with support. He secured them an apartment next to his, served as a guarantor on their lease, and provided them with more than $1500 for two months of rent. More significantly, he helped arrange classes at flight school for the pair.[5]

Bayoumi was being paid by Saudi aviation services firm Dallah Avco [5], in an arrangement ProPublica characterized as “being paid surreptitiously by the Saudi Defense Ministry.”[1] Before hijackers al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi arrived in the US he was paid $500 a month, but after they arrived this increased to $3,700.[5] A source told the FBI that Bayoumi was a “ghost employee” of Dallah Avco who was “being paid for doing nothing.”[6] Bayoumi was also receiving large sums of money, totaling in the tens of thousands of dollars, from Haifa bint Faisal, wife of Saudi Ambassador to the US Prince Bandar.[4] On one occasion, Bayoumi received a check from Prince Bandar’s account directly.[7]

Bayoumi left the U.S. in July 2001,[4] but not long after, his friend Osama Basnan moved into his apartment building, which as noted also housed al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. The FBI felt this “could indicate [Basnan] succeeded Omar al Bayoumi and may be undertaking activities on behalf of the Government of Saudi Arabia.”[8] Basnan seemed to sympathize with the alleged hijackers: After 9/11, Basnan reportedly “celebrated the heroes of September 11” and talked about “what a wonderful, glorious day it had been.”[4]
The FBI’s investigation revealed that Basnan had received more than $74,000 in cashier’s checks from Bandar’s wife between February 1999 and May 2002. On one occasion, Basnan received $15,000 directly from Prince Bandar.[7]

In April 2002, Basnan met with an unknown “high Saudi prince who has responsibilities for intelligence matters”[4] and who was part of a Saudi royal entourage which had arrived in Texas to conduct meetings with Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. This prince provided Basnan with “a significant amount of cash.”[9] The above facts strongly suggest that Basnan was an agent of Saudi intelligence.

The above facts can lead one to safely conclude that al-Bayoumi and Basnan aided and funded alleged hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. They are also strongly suggestive of the fact that al-Bayoumi and Basnan were assets in some form or another of Saudi intelligence, although the nature of this relationship is unclear.

Sources:
[1] Tim Golden and Sebastian Rotella, “Long-Secret FBI Report Reveals New Connections Between 9/11 Hijackers and Saudi Religious Officials in U.S.,” ProPublica, September 12, 2021, www.propublica.org...
[2] Kean and Hamilton, “The 9/11 Commission Report,” 515
[3] Kean and Hamilton, “The 9/11 Commission Report,” 515
[4] Michael Isikoff, “The Saudi Money Trail,” Newsweek, December 1, 2001, www.newsweek.com...
[5] John Duffy and Ray Nowosielski, The Watchdogs Didn’t Bark: The CIA, NSA, and the Crimes of the War on Terror (New York: Hot Books, 2018), pp111, 112.
[6] Judicial Watch, “FBI Documents Raise Additional Questions About Saudi and al-Aulaqi Connections to 9/11 Attacks,” February 12, 2014, reprinted at: www.globenewswire.com... i-Connections-to-9-11-Attacks.html.
[7] Duffy and Nowosielski, The Watchdogs Didn’t Bark, 154.
[8] Duffy and Nowosielski, The Watchdogs Didn’t Bark, 112.
[9] Duffy and Nowosielski, The Watchdogs Didn’t Bark, 150.

a reply to: AugustusOctavian

Continued:

The question “why” is extremely difficult to answer. As ProPublica notes, the CIA was aware that hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar had entered the United States, but neglected to inform the FBI for more than 16 months. [1] Combine this with the fact that these same hijackers were apparently supported by Saudi intelligence, and it becomes even more difficult to answer.

Richard Clarke, White House Counterterror Czar from 1998 to 2003, suspects that there was a CIA operation which attempted to turn al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar into informants or assets.[10] A joint CIA-GID (Saudi intelligence) operation seems a likely venue for this attempt, especially considering the two agencies established a “joint intelligence committee” in 1997.[11] A recent court filing with the Guantanamo Military Commission, which is trying the surviving 9/11 suspects, seems to support this. A confidential FBI source interviewed by an investigator for the Commission described the meeting between al-Bayoumi and hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar as “an operation directed by the Central Intelligence Agency.”[12]

There is other evidence to suggest that the CIA was protecting hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, possibly as part of one of their operations. In January 2000, when the CIA’s Alec Station, which covered issues related to al Qaida, originally became aware that hijacker al-Mihdhar might soon be visiting the U.S, an FBI agent assigned to the unit drafted a cable to be sent to the FBI warning them. This cable was blocked by the deputy director of the unit, Tom Wilshire, so the FBI was not informed.[13] Wilshire’s actions at this stage may be consistent with the CIA’s attempt to conceal an ongoing operation from the FBI.

However, this is difficult to square with what we know of Wilshire’s later actions. On July 23 2001, he sent a cable to leaders at the CIA’s CounterTerrorism Center (CTC), explaining that “Khalid Midhar [sic] should be [of] very high interest” in relation to a possible upcoming attack.[14] Assuming Wilshire knew enough in January 2000 to know that he needed to protect al-Mihdhar from the FBI in order to protect a CIA-GID operation, why was he then telling CIA CTC leaders that al-Mihdhar was now a potential threat? That naturally leads one to suspect that the operation to recruit al-Mihdhar (assuming it existed) had failed by that point. However, Wilshire never informed his colleagues at the FBI, where he had been detailed since May 2001.[15] If by July 2001 there was no longer any CIA-GID operation to recruit hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, why the continued secrecy? Clarke’s theory may be the best we have, but it seems insufficient. Further declassifications and testimony are needed.

Sources:
[10] Interview with Richard Clarke, conducted by John Duffy and Ray Nowosielski, www.youtube.com...
[11] Prince Turki al-Faisal, “Allied Against Terrorism,” The Washington Post, September 17, 2001, www.washingtonpost.com...
[12] Seth Hettena, “Exclusive: FBI Agents Accuse CIA of 9/11 Coverup,” SpyTalk, March22, 2023, www.spytalk.co... (I know typically a SubStack post would not be an approved source, but Hettena is a national security editor at Rolling Stone and a well-known reporter on these issues.)
[13] Kevin Fenton, Disconnecting the Dots: How CIA and FBI officials helped enable 9/11 and evaded government investigations (Walterville, OR: Trine Day, 2011), 43, 44, 45; Kean and Hamilton, “The 9/11 Commission Report,” 502
[14] Fenton, Disconnecting the Dots, Chapter 40.
[15] FBI Office of the Inspector General, A Review of the FBI's Handling of Intelligence Information Prior to the September 11 Attacks, November 2004, oig.justice.gov... [Wilshire is referred to by the pseudonym “John” in this report.]

What was left of the towers was immediately whisked off to China, preventing any forensic testing to be done. Most are happy to take the leap of faith needed to trust the official narrative, while others still question the demolition-like fall of these buildings.

a reply to: AugustusOctavian

This is some great work. It's going to take me some time to go through and ponder. Just want to say thanks for posting now!

a reply to: nugget1

Not really. It was properly sorted for human remains, some chunks were preserved for museums and memorials, other chunks were melted down and made into lots of things; naval vessels and other steel products, and for twenty years we've had NUMEROUS scientific organizations DEBUNKING the many conspiracy theories that idiots have been pushing.

No; there were no explosives necessary and we have OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE that the "official narrative" is what officially happened. Airliners filled with KIDS AND PREGNANT WOMEN turn out to be a powerful weapon when filled with jet fuel.

I get upset about people pushing these outdated LIES because I know people that died that day and they WEREN'T ACTORS. We've given the nutters their day to prove their claims; everything from "JeT fUeL dOeSn'T bUrN hOt EnOuGh To MeLt StEeL" and they've been proven wrong time and again. Go watch the Net Geo documentary that systematically debunks every-9/11-lie. And they are lies, now that we KNOW they aren't founded on logic and reason.

Franky, the REAL conspiracy is the lengths that our government has gone to protect the Saudi royals--even though we're learning they WERE responsible for the attacks.

Everyone else is welcome to discuss but know this; No, this is NOT a place to discuss "airplane looks like missile becauze I'm old, blind and a contrarian." Since I can't post images yet, heres a link:

ibb.co...

Thats a young woman, I suspect I know WHO it is but I keep that information secret because I respect the HORRORS she endured before falling to her death. The photographer noted; "That poor little baby's hand laying there on the concrete like that; no arm, no body, just it's little hand laying there. The rest of it had exploded on the concrete and had hit some small bushes that surrounded the big globe sculpter."

I fight for her, her husband (who she meet in the office and later married and who also died on 9/11) and for all the others--especially the 8 kids and 10 mothers with unborn kids--that the Saudi's (15 of 19 hijackers were Saudi's... sponsored by a man that belonged to the WEALTHIEST SAUDI FAMILY outside of the royal Saud's--the bin Ladens!)

Please respect my wishes; lets keep this 9/11 conspiracy thread about the real villains--Saudi Arabia.

I'll be providing more info soon.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: AugustusOctavian

This is some great work. It's going to take me some time to go through and ponder. Just want to say thanks for posting now!

Glad to help. I do this as a service to those whose voices can't be heard--the thousands murdered that day--including pregnant women and the kids that were on the flights. I appreciate others hearing out this developing theory since we're all burned out on the false "official narrative is untrue."

We've seen numerous SCIENTIFIC reports concluding all those old "theories" are absolutely wrong and it really bothers me that idiots still push that when the TRUTH is coming to light and is much more compelling.

I suspect that Saudi Arabia has been responsible for some of these "theories." Anything to keep the general public from figuring out how much involvement they had in the attacks.

If Saudi Arabia hadn't aided the hijackers 9/11 wouldn't have happened. Stay tuned and never forget!

ibb.co...

a reply to: AugustusOctavian

Glad to help. I do this as a service to those whose voices can't be heard--the thousands murdered that day--including pregnant women and the kids that were on the flights. I appreciate others hearing out this developing theory since we're all burned out on the false "official narrative is untrue."

We've seen numerous SCIENTIFIC reports concluding all those old "theories" are absolutely wrong and it really bothers me that idiots still push that when the TRUTH is coming to light and is much more compelling.

This is so true, and too often. The guilty are always happy when the ignorant and gullible jump on the most sensational or fantastical theories, thus keeping attention and focus off of them. Others just like to be part of the show, or to feel important, or even believe their own theory just because by golly gee they thought of it so it must be true.

It's also helpful to put out stories with basic kernels of the truth, but add totally over the top details that are easily disproven... not the basic kernels of truth, but the fantastic embellishments. It doesn't matter if there's some truth, because once the lies are debunked, the kernels of truth are ignored and forgotten.

So many head games we play with ourselves.

a reply to: AugustusOctavian

Excellent post (series)!!


But it only makes me ponder even more intently "Why?"


The Saudis had, and still have Oil, which provides them with Money beyond the dreams of avarice, and result in political Power equal in influence to any nation on Earth.


What more could they have hoped to gain? What more have gained...except a growing status as a ruthless pariah state?


Is there some, as yet, unrevealed role Saudi plays, or has yet to play, in events to come envisioned by (Western)world leaders that affords the House of Saud such exalted and protected status?

a reply to: AugustusOctavian

Please respect my wishes; lets keep this 9/11 conspiracy thread about the real villains--Saudi Arabia.

Please respect my right to form my own opinions sans mainstream propaganda. You can consider me 'colorblind' if it makes it easier for you to deal with my beliefs being different than yours.

I don't know for sure who planned and carried out the attacks anymore than you-or anybody else-does.

PLEASE STOP SCREAMING WHEN CONVEYING YOUR BELIEFS TO ME! IT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR OPINION ANY MORE VALID THAN MINE.

Thank you.

a reply to: Mantiss2021

Thank you for your understanding. All I'm trying to avoid in this discussion is rehashing dead-ends and OTHER 9/11 conspiracies. I'm assuming that everything in the official congressional report is truthful, from what the technology allows us to know for certainty, and am questioning:

1) Whats contained on the classified 28 pages; some of which has been hinted at and some of which has been declassified and confirms that its information about the possible involvement of Saudi Arabia in 9/11.

2) That these Saudi leads should have been been investigated further by the FBI/CIA but were prevented to do so in order to protect Saudi Arabia--the "good" Saudi's that were on OUR side/pro-USA.

3) These "good" Saudi's that we could trust have more recently been murdered and detained as a thinly-veiled coup by a sociopathic prince working to secure himself the throne.

4) That these events; 9/11/2001 and the coup of 2017-2019 are in-fact related, are an ongoing threat to all Western democracies and as a whole are an argument to begin banning Saudi Arabia from using bloodmoney to buy up Western democracies assets.

Speaking of the 2017-2019 Saudi coup by Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud--new crowned prince after "our" guy vanished, probably murdered.

The 2017–19 Saudi Arabian purge was the mass arrest of a number of prominent Saudi Arabian princes, government ministers, and business people in Saudi Arabia on 4 November 2017[1] and the following few weeks after the creation of an anti-corruption committee led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

There are three alternate hypotheses regarding the motives behind the purge: a genuine corruption crackdown, a project to gain money, or preparing to take over the crown.[2]

According to the Middle East Eye, an assassination campaign against critics of the monarchy was carried out in parallel to the overt arrests of the purge, by the Tiger Squad, which was formed in 2017 and as of October 2018, consisted of 50 secret service and military personnel. The group members were recruited from different branches of the Saudi forces, directing several areas of expertise.[3]

The Tiger Squad allegedly assassinates dissidents using varying covert methods, such as planned car and aircraft accidents, house fires, and poisoning at hospitals during routine health checkups. The five-member squad were also the part of the 15-member death squad who assassinated Jamal Khashoggi.[3]

According to the sources, bin Salman chose silent murder instead of arrest as the method of repression due to the fact that only arresting the dissidents sparks international pressures for releasing them, whereas silent murder covers it up quietly. Prince Mansour bin Muqrin died when his personal aircraft crashed,[4] although it was allegedly shot down as he tried to flee the country from the purge and then made to appear as an accident.[3] Meshal Saad al-Bostani, a member of the Tiger Squad and a lieutenant in the Saudi airforce was allegedly behind the murder and he himself would die in a car accident in Riyadh while according to a Turkish news outlet he had actually been murdered by poison.[5]

Another victim was Suliman Abdul Rahman al-Thuniyan, a Saudi court judge who was murdered by injection of a deadly virus when he visited a hospital for a regular health checkup. This took place after he had opposed bin Salman's 2030 Economic Vision.[3]

(1) David Kirkpatrick (4 November 2017). "Saudi Arabia Arrests 11 Princes, Including Billionaire Alwaleed bin Talal". The New York Times. Retrieved 5 November 2017.

(2) Danielle Pletka (8 November 2017), "What just happaned in Saudi Arabia? The weekend purge explained", Newsweek, retrieved 10 November 2017

(3) Abu Sneineh, Mustafa (22 October 2018). "REVEALED: The Saudi death squad MBS uses to silence dissent". Middle East Eye. Archived from the original on 22 October 2018. Retrieved 22 October 2018.

(4) Kirkpatrick, David D.; Schmitt, Eric (5 November 2017). "Saudi Arabia Arrests 11 Princes, Including Prominent Billionaire". The New York Times. New York City, New York, United States of America. p. A1. Archived from the original on 4 March 2021. Retrieved 21 January 2021.

(5) Lockie, Alex; Haltiwanger, John (18 October 2018). Carlson, Nicholas (ed.). "One of the men suspected of killing Jamal Khashoggi reportedly died in a car crash after returning to Saudi Arabia". Business Insider. New York City, New York, United States of America: Insider Inc. (Axel Springer SE). Archived from the original on 4 June 2020. Retrieved 21 January 2022.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: AugustusOctavian

Excellent post (series)!!


But it only makes me ponder even more intently "Why?"


The Saudis had, and still have Oil, which provides them with Money beyond the dreams of avarice, and result in political Power equal in influence to any nation on Earth.


What more could they have hoped to gain? What more have gained...except a growing status as a ruthless pariah state?


Is there some, as yet, unrevealed role Saudi plays, or has yet to play, in events to come envisioned by (Western)world leaders that affords the House of Saud such exalted and protected status?

All of the above:

Saudi Arabia is first a foremost an absolute monarchy of the Islamic flavor, meaning they do NOT have a congress or parliament to represent the general public. In fact, calling people from that region "Saudi's" is itself an insult because you're saying they are "subjects to King Saud." Its an alien concept to us free folk but keep in mind the "Saudi" in Saudi Arabia stands for the House of Saud--the royal family that controls the country.

Guess which family is the wealthiest Saudi family that isn't royal? bin Laden's. Usama was kicked out in the 1990's, strange that they didn't execute him seeing how often they executed their subjects that disagreed with them. Sure, they seized his family fortune and deported him but he obviously had connections to SA.

15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi's. How could the RoYaL kInGdOm not have noticed 15 of their citizens sneak past their officials and get away with planning an massive attack that World intelligence agencies had previously stumbled on? (The foiled cell/plot in the Philippines.) And a few of them known to be connected with that radical Usama-Richest-Saudi-Family-after-the-Sauds-Laden, why didn't the Saudi's sound the alarm?

Cause they wanted the attack to happen. The king of Saud sent a "dear John" letter to newly elected president Dubyah months before the attack. After years of giving SA special treatment, a secret 41-year-long Treasury deal, he had decided it was time to part ways with America. I guess saying them from Sadam in 1991-92 was just too much interference in their local "politics."

So in many ways 9/11 was this massive attack to show to the world how weak America was becoming. Remember; the whole region began building super-cities, New New Yorks in a sense, about the same time the one of the worlds oldest, biggest, legacy cities was attacked.

Oklahoma City Building

What does that sentence trigger in your mind immediately? Is it the half collapsed federal building? I bet it is. Like it or loath it, the attack in Oklahoma City in 1994 has left a permanent mark on many peoples minds. OKC to many people is an event of domestic terrorism. I mention it to illustrate how these events can have a meaningful impact on society as a whole.

Sure seems like the Saudi's were trying to impress the other "Eastern" powers so they'd send their business to these new glass cities in the desert they've been building from about 2000-present.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: AugustusOctavian

Please respect my wishes; lets keep this 9/11 conspiracy thread about the real villains--Saudi Arabia.

Please respect my right to form my own opinions sans mainstream propaganda. You can consider me 'colorblind' if it makes it easier for you to deal with my beliefs being different than yours.

I don't know for sure who planned and carried out the attacks anymore than you-or anybody else-does.

PLEASE STOP SCREAMING WHEN CONVEYING YOUR BELIEFS TO ME! IT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR OPINION ANY MORE VALID THAN MINE.

Thank you.

Sure. You sound like one of those bleeding heart, "freedom of the press," kind of people.

You'd like this one Saudi named Jamal Khashoggi. He was an honest, intelligent journalist.

Too bad Mohammed bin Salman murdered him.

He thought being a permanent US resident protecting him from MbS's claws...

Sadly he learned that wasn't the truth...

Ever hear of a Saudi BBQ? Its how they covered up any remaining forensic evidence of Jamal Khashoggi's murder after they used an industrial oven to burn up his remains. Took 3 whole days.

But free meat after that was all done with.

Is that Halal?

a reply to: AugustusOctavian

Nope; never heard of any of that, nor do I care. Doesn't change my personal views on how the towers came down one whit.

a reply to: Mantiss2021
Why?
I think I can answer that. Remember how Clinton kept tapping the strategic oil reserves to keep oil prices low? IIRC oil was as low as $10-11 a barrel around then. What did oil prices do after 2003 or so when the economy got going again? Went steadily upwards. Peaking in 2008 at nearly $150/barrel. Even now it's around $70 a barrel (down from the $100 range when the Rockefeller family divested their holdings).
Now I know that the 'Enron loophole' and the commodities modernization act of 2000 were big factors in oil prices going steadily up, but there was likely some other change post 9-11 that most of us missed.

I remember reading an article in the late 90s back when I was living in the UK (the only country that'd regularly slag them) - can't remember whether it was the Telegraph or Independent or some other paper - about the stretched finances of the Saudi royal family. They had some 30,000 princes who'd grown up living an extremely lavish lifestyle and weren't too happy about having to cut back - no more yachts anchored in the French Riviera, no more lambos, or a swish Knightsbridge flat or a bevvy of young "models" from the west that can cost up to a million per year as their hundreds of uncles had taken for granted.

Anyway, those thousands of House of Saud princes weren't feeling the squeeze any longer post 9-11. More hajj tourism helped too, but they're still dependent on oil to fill their coffers.

a reply to: AugustusOctavian

Saudi Arabia: Where they still have an official sorcery unit operating the same way it did during The Rashidun Caliphate.

Since the planning for 1994 they had a gripe with The WTC. At least a faction of them. The "Great Satan" hardline oil millionaires had some major little man issues channeled into bringing down those towers. And in general, with the cultural misogyny thing, It's reflected in their behavior all-around.

Which is funny because now all they do is build bigger, taller, more massive towers. Them and China. Societies ruled by men with really tenuous affirmations of their manhood. It's funny when you think about it.

They all want bigger towers, yachts, homes, herams, and Italian sports car collections.

Sure we're "Great Satan", but they just want Muslim Society to have the newest, greatest, most sophisticated things. Which reflects how important they are. Just had to usurp America's spot first.

Just my take anyway.

a reply to: AugustusOctavian

your free to believe the official "overwhelming evidence story," 100 ton jets filled with kerosene knocked down 500k ton buildings which "fell"at free fall velocity,turning 30 acres of 4in thick concrete to dust (takes 5k lbs psi to turn concrete to dust.50 ton steel beams launched 600ft laterally,the victims families not allowed to ask questions, more money spent investigating clintons "blue" dress than the 911 investigation. How about building 7, it was announced on live tv that it had fallen,then fell in the background while reporter was on air. No legit investigation was done, bush wanted war and nothing was going to stand in his way. Once the public swallowed the official pablum with no resistance worse things were sure to follow in the coming years.

I logged in just to comment that OP is stupid.
The kind of stupidity so stupid that one should really question whether he is psyop or just ignorant stupid.
More stupid than the hiddenhand psyop thread...

Mr brother OP... go research the details in video where the actual victims on site, police officers, firemen all recall hearing bombs, explosives going off in the building.

9/11 wasn't executed by third world, box cutting wielding lunatics in caves without a steady income.
The attacks were orchestrated. How is it possible that CNN camera crew were able to find and interview Osama Bin Laden speaking that he will attack America soon before they even occurred?

What a miracle for the US government that one of the highjackers passports would conveniently fall away from the flight, away from the explosions/collision, fire, rubble only to be found unscathed down at ground zero as evidence...

I know I can't fix stupid but don't spread your disease to the rest of the public.

Man I really can't get by how stupid this guy is. Geeezzzz.

BTW guess what day the 666th day of the Ukrainian war ends on? Yeah, no coincidence.

He is exhibiting a certain level of dumb not seen on here in a while. Thanks for expressed my thoughts and feelings so well, and likely quite a few lurkers like me.

originally posted by: joshuaislord
I logged in just to comment that OP is stupid.
The kind of stupidity so stupid that one should really question whether he is psyop or just ignorant stupid.
More stupid than the hiddenhand psyop thread...

Mr brother OP... go research the details in video where the actual victims on site, police officers, firemen all recall hearing bombs, explosives going off in the building.

9/11 wasn't executed by third world, box cutting wielding lunatics in caves without a steady income.
The attacks were orchestrated. How is it possible that CNN camera crew were able to find and interview Osama Bin Laden speaking that he will attack America soon before they even occurred?

What a miracle for the US government that one of the highjackers passports would conveniently fall away from the flight, away from the explosions/collision, fire, rubble only to be found unscathed down at ground zero as evidence...

I know I can't fix stupid but don't spread your disease to the rest of the public.

Man I really can't get by how stupid this guy is. Geeezzzz.

BTW guess what day the 666th day of the Ukrainian war ends on? Yeah, no coincidence.

originally posted by: Jessica6
a reply to: Mantiss2021
Why?
I think I can answer that. Remember how Clinton kept tapping the strategic oil reserves to keep oil prices low? IIRC oil was as low as $10-11 a barrel around then. What did oil prices do after 2003 or so when the economy got going again? Went steadily upwards. Peaking in 2008 at nearly $150/barrel. Even now it's around $70 a barrel (down from the $100 range when the Rockefeller family divested their holdings).
Now I know that the 'Enron loophole' and the commodities modernization act of 2000 were big factors in oil prices going steadily up, but there was likely some other change post 9-11 that most of us missed.

I remember reading an article in the late 90s back when I was living in the UK (the only country that'd regularly slag them) - can't remember whether it was the Telegraph or Independent or some other paper - about the stretched finances of the Saudi royal family. They had some 30,000 princes who'd grown up living an extremely lavish lifestyle and weren't too happy about having to cut back - no more yachts anchored in the French Riviera, no more lambos, or a swish Knightsbridge flat or a bevvy of young "models" from the west that can cost up to a million per year as their hundreds of uncles had taken for granted.

Anyway, those thousands of House of Saud princes weren't feeling the squeeze any longer post 9-11. More hajj tourism helped too, but they're still dependent on oil to fill their coffers.

Correct. Greed is the overall motive in their decision making process. The petro-dollar agreement they made with Tricky Dick Nixon back in the 1970's wasn't good enough for them--despite it giving them an advantage over their middle-eastern neighbors/competitors.

Not to mention we had to constantly bail out their lame regime because:

1) The monarchy is cowards, cowards fear being overthrown (kind of like MbS did in 2017 anyways) so they rarely build up a large national military. Saudi buys tons of our military gear but their actual armed forces are minimal and strictly to protect their extensive royal family members--until they become liabilities--then they die/disappear.

2) Their neighbors/competitors are always threatening to invade them. The middle-eastern wars of the 1980's-1990's were mostly protecting them from invaders willing to actually fight. The middle-eastern wars post 9/11 are basically to weaken the most serious regional threats--hence why Sadam was targeted.

Fortunately we are moving towards oil independence, unfortunately, we could have never gotten so involved and invested in backwards royal monarchies in exchange for "cheap" oil. We now know that "peak American oil" was a lie; North America has some of the top producers of crude right now--it would have required a small investment in American infrastructure in the 1970's, but "politicians" decided it was better to exploit slave labor in the middle east. Even their oil is of a lower quality, had we kept our American oil unions strong we'd have never had to have dealt with these "royals."

Nope, cheap slave labor wins ever time when greedy psychopaths are involved.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: AugustusOctavian

Saudi Arabia: Where they still have an official sorcery unit operating the same way it did during The Rashidun Caliphate.

Since the planning for 1994 they had a gripe with The WTC. At least a faction of them. The "Great Satan" hardline oil millionaires had some major little man issues channeled into bringing down those towers. And in general, with the cultural misogyny thing, It's reflected in their behavior all-around.

Which is funny because now all they do is build bigger, taller, more massive towers. Them and China. Societies ruled by men with really tenuous affirmations of their manhood. It's funny when you think about it.

They all want bigger towers, yachts, homes, herams, and Italian sports car collections.

Sure we're "Great Satan", but they just want Muslim Society to have the newest, greatest, most sophisticated things. Which reflects how important they are. Just had to usurp America's spot first.

Just my take anyway.

Yup, their ego's are weak. Dubai is getting a giant gold phallic sky scraper built next to whatever they're calling "The Illinois" nowadays. Dubai, by the way, is designed by American and Western architectural firms--look up The Illinois and who really conceived the tower.

Sad thing is they're buying up American assets and basically ruining our society from the inside-out.