DEI propaganda on web development sites

Hi all.

First of all, happy 4th of July ! I hope your day has been well.

Now, I've been trying to progress through getting better at web development , front-end only, but still quite a mega task.
It's been too long , with too much invested in terms of time and effort. But I'm getting very close to saying I'm so sick to death of it all, it will be all for nothing in the end (thanks to WEF agenda), that why even bother.

Let me explain.
Part of web development is so called accessibility. Making sure that a web site can be used by those whom are blind, death, have dexterity issues , color blindness etc etc.
All good and well, and I fully support and understand why this is needed. No problem with it at all.

My problem is that at way too many web development sites they are pushing their propaganda.
Just a few examples:

www.w3schools.com...

equity vs equality forced down our throats

react.dev...

Another site , that's a major developer site used by many developer.mozilla.org... had the pride flag colors on their logo all throughout June.

This is just a few. Many had BLM banners at the top when BLM was more at the forefront. I cannot and refuse to visit these sites ever again after seeing something like that. I'm sick through my teeth from it all .


It's not bad enough that I'm dealing with something very diffcult and stressful, that I have to worry what the world will be like in 5 years, I have to deal with the constant propaganda as well.

I'm very close to saying I'm done. I don't care anymore. They are just doing nothing but demoralizing everyone.
It just doesnt make sense because they clearly want developers , if you look at the many free coding bootcamps.

I've completed around 60 projects , together in freecodecamp and frontend mentor , and I don't give a sh*t anymore.

I'm hoping there are more developers here, and which sites are great for avoiding the propaganda.
Right now I need to learn about stupid accessbility. They have ruined it completely for me now. I was already struggling with it, and now I just loathe it.

So anyone know propaganda free web development sites?
Without those sites, I see now future in it for me anymore.

Thanks for letting me vent

a reply to: ancientlight

Are these banners causing you so much distress that it takes away from your learning? If so I can understand your frustration, at the same time someone could also say don't look at it as your really there to learn anyway.

originally posted by: Stopstealingmycountry
a reply to: ancientlight

Are these banners causing you so much distress that it takes away from your learning? If so I can understand your frustration, at the same time someone could also say don't look at it as your really there to learn anyway.

It just feels pointless at this point, as I feel everything will be destroyed that we currently enjoy/have within five to ten years. I'm struggling to see any reason to continue. I want to , for my sake and for my son's sake , but I have become very demotivated and demoralized

a reply to: ancientlight

Life has been very unpredictable lately and I often find myself feeling the same way. But like you I keep going for my family. I also find the most ridiculous things to be happy about!
Just remember if we give up now then the future will be far worse for the younger ones.

a reply to: ancientlight

My problem is that at way too many web development sites they are pushing their propaganda.

I looked at every website you linked, and I don't see the problem. I don't see anything even remotely pushing an agenda or propaganda.

Granted, we're not in "Pride Month" any more so I'm not seeing anything they put up for Pride. And I'm not seeing any banners for BLM either. I believe you that they did, but even so, I'm still not seeing a problem. Folks are allowed to promote or just acknowledge whatever they so choose... and we're allowed not to do so.

I would be concerned if they were pushing/demanding developers to include a Pride or BLM message or any other SJW-type message. Just like I'd be concerned if they were pushing/demanding support for a particular religion, or political party, etc. But I don't see that. Having a BLM banner would no more put me off than someone wearing a Star of David. I'm not Jewish, but I'm happy to respect their faith and their desire to express that faith in their own way.

As a free nation, we must protect and defend everyone's right to free expression, if only to protect our own rights to free expression. The time to object is when someone's -- anyone's -- right to free expression is suppressed or oppressed.

a reply to: ancientlight

Propaganda has always been part of society, I guess you can consider yourself lucky you didn't notice till now. on the other hand growing up with the awareness might have thought you how to identify and ignore it.

Well, it's never too late, but a word of advice the one that tickles your confirmation bias wont work either, so make sure you can function outside of your favorit echo chamber.

a reply to: Boadicea

What is your ceiling to free expression?
What if it's weaponized against citizens?
I get it's kinda meh for a biz to advertise, but this is a much, much bigger campaign than trying to claim it's just "their expression"
It is a corporate union busting tactic.
Without diving into Fink and esg situation,
we are the union they are busting.

It isn't some innocent and organic "nice biz people" that want everyone to be liked.
It is play, or no pay
Maybe some small companies are legit lgb whatever, but this garbage is coming down through fortune 500 companies and similar.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: Boadicea

What is your ceiling to free expression?

Where/when it harms others... infringes on the rights of others... I don't see that here.

What if it's weaponized against citizens?

Then we fight the weaponization, not the free expression.

I get it's kinda meh for a biz to advertise, but this is a much, much bigger campaign than trying to claim it's just "their expression"
It is a corporate union busting tactic.
Without diving into Fink and esg situation,
we are the union they are busting.

That sounds like Alinsky's Rules for Radicals at work in your head... ""Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."

I agree that corporations have too much power. And I have long advocated for incorporation reform and I will continue to do so when and where necessary and proper. But this ain't it.

a reply to: Boadicea

That sounds like Alinsky's Rules for Radicals at work in your head..

lol
Yes, it is very similar, and in "real life"

Clearly you don't understand ESG
Not to sound like a jerk, but it is an absolute pre-requisite to even talking about any situation regarding the LGBT movement through businesses.
Anything else is buying or selling propaganda.
A semantic argument about bobs bicycles or Pete's Programming class doesn't help.
This is organized and not "in my head"

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: Stopstealingmycountry
a reply to: ancientlight

Are these banners causing you so much distress that it takes away from your learning? If so I can understand your frustration, at the same time someone could also say don't look at it as your really there to learn anyway.

It just feels pointless at this point, as I feel everything will be destroyed that we currently enjoy/have within five to ten years. I'm struggling to see any reason to continue. I want to , for my sake and for my son's sake , but I have become very demotivated and demoralized

Everything will change, but it won't be destroyed. Consider the people in China and all that they're allowed to do and enjoy. While it's true that they don't have the freedom we in the western world are accustomed to many seem to be enjoying life despite living under an overt dictator, as opposed to the covert dictators in western society.

That's sounds cool op, I have a blind cousin who helped for Microsoft and I think Google with software and some hardware design.
Ignore the rainbow bumper stickers. The political welfare class is having a hissyfit as they drift into irrelevance.
Keep on keeping on.
You can do it

a reply to: ancientlight

I would guess a lot of us feel that way. The constant barrage of propaganda is mind numbing. The incessant polishing of woke credentials.......in everyone's face, everywhere. It's become near intolerable and I suspect a lot of people have withdrawn away from news sites, social media platforms and much of the cable and streaming outlets as a result. You see first hand the impact on Bud Light.

The worst of it though is the PC "push" ads and stories on EV's. And most all of it is misleading or downright lies. Even the quoted range pf percentage increase in EV sales is staggering.

The web has narrowed to a pinpoint of interest.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: ancientlight

My problem is that at way too many web development sites they are pushing their propaganda.

I looked at every website you linked, and I don't see the problem. I don't see anything even remotely pushing an agenda or propaganda.

Granted, we're not in "Pride Month" any more so I'm not seeing anything they put up for Pride. And I'm not seeing any banners for BLM either. I believe you that they did, but even so, I'm still not seeing a problem. Folks are allowed to promote or just acknowledge whatever they so choose... and we're allowed not to do so.

I would be concerned if they were pushing/demanding developers to include a Pride or BLM message or any other SJW-type message. Just like I'd be concerned if they were pushing/demanding support for a particular religion, or political party, etc. But I don't see that. Having a BLM banner would no more put me off than someone wearing a Star of David. I'm not Jewish, but I'm happy to respect their faith and their desire to express that faith in their own way.

As a free nation, we must protect and defend everyone's right to free expression, if only to protect our own rights to free expression. The time to object is when someone's -- anyone's -- right to free expression is suppressed or oppressed.

What are you talking about ? Equity vs equality , typical DEI Marxist propganda. And the w3 school link , the sign ?? You don't think that's political propaganda?

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: Stopstealingmycountry
a reply to: ancientlight

Are these banners causing you so much distress that it takes away from your learning? If so I can understand your frustration, at the same time someone could also say don't look at it as your really there to learn anyway.

It just feels pointless at this point, as I feel everything will be destroyed that we currently enjoy/have within five to ten years. I'm struggling to see any reason to continue. I want to , for my sake and for my son's sake , but I have become very demotivated and demoralized

Everything will change, but it won't be destroyed. Consider the people in China and all that they're allowed to do and enjoy. While it's true that they don't have the freedom we in the western world are accustomed to many seem to be enjoying life despite living under an overt dictator, as opposed to the covert dictators in western society.

You have to be joking right? I rather die that live under that kind of dictatorship. Where we're not allowed to buy some food if our social credit score is too low?? You think that's acceptable ? People in China have been brainwashed to appear to 'enjoy life' , just like in NK photoshoots, or else they're being threatened . Either way, it's no way to live.
Why even bother working/studying hard, or why even bother staying within the law , as currently low effort and lawlessness is rewarded , on purpose, to destroy and demoralize like I described. And even if you make more money in higher paying job due to spending years studying/working towards that, you won't be able to buy food because of bad social credit score.

I mentioned the social credit score system as that's what's used in China

I code my own website by hand and taught myself along the way. I use W3C standards and check my coding to make sure it's clean. I have studied all kinds of things while learning to code, but I never gave any thought to Accessibility and Diversity.

It's work I do for myself, I haven't designed any websites for anyone else in many years, so I really don't care what "they" think if I don't give props to LGBTQ, BLM, ANTIFA, Mohammad, or Carl Marx. Of course, I am not a professional nor even doing any freelancing anymore either.

However, the issues you bring up will likely be reflected in my social credit score when that comes around. It will be time to see what the dark web has to offer when that day arrives or do business by word of mouth. I intend to have many things to offer when they cancel those things out, things that will be considered black-market products and services. You need to think outside the box in order to remain outside the box.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: Boadicea

Clearly you don't understand ESG

I understand it well enough to have already ensured that none of my monies are invested in ESG funds, and I understand corporatocracy well enough not to spend my money with woke corporations unless absolutely necessary, so I definitely understand it well enough to know that it has not yet conquered the world... despite all the fear mongering to the contrary.

But do tell? What is it you know that I don't know?

(FYI for those who don't know, "ESG" refers to "Environmental, Social & Governance", and refers to "an approach to investing that recommends taking environmental issues, social issues and governance issues into account when deciding which companies to invest in." per Wikipedia.)

Not to sound like a jerk, but it is an absolute pre-requisite to even talking about any situation regarding the LGBT movement through businesses.

Those are mighty big words.... and I'm not inclined to let you or anyone dictate "pre-requisites" to me or anyone. I would agree that LGBTQ+ issues are part and parcel of ESG -- specifically, the "Social" part. I would also point out that folks are free to spend/invest their money however they choose with whoever they choose, including ESG funds and corporations. As long as folks are free NOT to spend/invest their money with ESG corporations/funds, it's not our problem.

So you'll have to explain to me exactly how ESG is a problem in this specific matter... explain to me how any/all readers are being forced into investing in ESG funds.

Anything else is buying or selling propaganda.

Indeed. And again, explain to me how any/all readers of these websites are being forced into investing into ESG funds... or just how anyone is being forced to develop websites that comply with ESG demands.

A semantic argument about bobs bicycles or Pete's Programming class doesn't help.
This is organized and not "in my head"

Semantics now, eh? Okay. Explain to me how semantics have anything to do with this.

As I stated, I saw nothing on any of those websites that was problematic regarding propaganda or ESG. Nothing. It's not there. There are no semantics to argue!!!

a reply to: ancientlight

You have to be joking right?

Not in the least. That's where I see the future heading, and if you have any doubts just look at the way our kids are being indoctrinated into believing socialism will solve all of the worlds' woes. They'll be in charge soon, and unless something changes there future holds a society similar to China.

a reply to: ancientlight

What are you talking about ?

I said what I meant and I meant what I said. What did you not understand?

Equity vs equality , typical DEI Marxist propganda.

Equity vs equality applies to many things. Women's sports for example. Equality would mean only one category for sports, in which men and women are free to try-out and to compete. But men and women are not physically equal. So we have men's sports and women's sports for equity. Likewise, we have wheelchair ramps for those who cannot navigate stairs. We have different criminal and sentencing guidelines for adults and children. All (and more) are examples of equality vs equity. I don't have a problem with facilitating equity when/where equality is not possible or fair.

I bet Karl Marx breathed the same air as everyone else... is that bad too? Shall we stop breathing? I bet Karl Marx saw green grass, blue skies and yellow lemons... are we going to start denying that grass is green, the sky is blue, and roses are red?

And the w3 school link , the sign ?? You don't think that's political propaganda?

I assume you mean this one:

We welcome

All races and ethnicities
All religions
All countries of origin
All gender Identities
All sexual orientations
All abilities and disabilities
All spoken languages
All ages
Everyone.

We stand here with you
You are safe here.

No, I don't think it's propaganda. I don't see a problem with welcoming anyone on that list. I don't see a problem with them expressing that they will welcome everyone on that list. They can welcome anyone and everyone they so choose. I would even suggest that it's good for business. What is the problem?

Would you presume to tell them who they can and cannot welcome? Would you presume to tell them they cannot express who they welcome?

If you have a problem with their business model or clientele, then you are free to conduct your business elsewhere. That's the American Way.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: ancientlight

You have to be joking right?

Not in the least. That's where I see the future heading, and if you have any doubts just look at the way our kids are being indoctrinated into believing socialism will solve all of the worlds' woes. They'll be in charge soon, and unless something changes there future holds a society similar to China.

No , I meant how you thought the Chinese people don't mind, because they have to. Anyone would mind , and be pissed , to be tied to a stupid social credit score. OKe misunderstanding. I defintely worry about our future, things are looking bleak

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: ancientlight

What are you talking about ?

I said what I meant and I meant what I said. What did you not understand?

Equity vs equality , typical DEI Marxist propganda.

Equity vs equality applies to many things. Women's sports for example. Equality would mean only one category for sports, in which men and women are free to try-out and to compete. But men and women are not physically equal. So we have men's sports and women's sports for equity. Likewise, we have wheelchair ramps for those who cannot navigate stairs. We have different criminal and sentencing guidelines for adults and children. All (and more) are examples of equality vs equity. I don't have a problem with facilitating equity when/where equality is not possible or fair.

I bet Karl Marx breathed the same air as everyone else... is that bad too? Shall we stop breathing? I bet Karl Marx saw green grass, blue skies and yellow lemons... are we going to start denying that grass is green, the sky is blue, and roses are red?

And the w3 school link , the sign ?? You don't think that's political propaganda?

I assume you mean this one:

We welcome

All races and ethnicities
All religions
All countries of origin
All gender Identities
All sexual orientations
All abilities and disabilities
All spoken languages
All ages
Everyone.

We stand here with you
You are safe here.

No, I don't think it's propaganda. I don't see a problem with welcoming anyone on that list. I don't see a problem with them expressing that they will welcome everyone on that list. They can welcome anyone and everyone they so choose. I would even suggest that it's good for business. What is the problem?

Would you presume to tell them who they can and cannot welcome? Would you presume to tell them they cannot express who they welcome?

If you have a problem with their business model or clientele, then you are free to conduct your business elsewhere. That's the American Way.

It is pandering, it is being woke ,and it is virtue signalling. All the while being shoved down our throats. I never gave anyone any reason to think I don't accept certain people. In fact, I'd go as far as to say I'd very much welcome actual aliens (ETs) on our planet . Because we are truly F*d.