China Implements Export Controls On Key Metals Used For Chips

U.S. Restricts Sales of Sophisticated Chips to China
China responds by denying US the ingredients to make chips.

Seems similar to trading tarrifs introduced prior to the great depression. Countries trying to keep their own head above water by denying other countries any wealth.

originally posted by: markovian
A expected response China sees it's chance to close the gap they can get there energy from Russia have plenty of manufacturing capabilities it won't take them long to adjust and move forward from any action the west takes against them economically

On the other hand everything China cuts the west off from will take us 10+ years to be back to 100%

I'd say good. Bring back production to the US. They should have never outsourced so much to begin with.
It will be better qualtity probably, and if not, I will be happy to pay more for something made locally , or in the US at least.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: pianopraze

Elections have consequences.

The current administration is soft and weak when dealing with China.

No Mate they deal Directly with the CCP behind closed doors trading state secrets for undisclosed amounts of money.

They have a great relationship with China.

Just release the genetically tailord virus to kill off china and be done with it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: pianopraze

Elections have consequences.

The current administration is soft and weak when dealing with China.

Huh? Isn't the Biden administration supporting Taiwan and creating alliances with Australia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, The Philippines and India to forestall Chinese encroachments into the Pacific and Indian oceans?

Isn't it the Biden microchip ban on China that caused China to take this retaliatory action? Now you can argue that said ban might not have been well thought out, but you can't argue that it was a soft and weak policy.

I don't recall Biden fawning over Xi of China, but you know who did?

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

Trump on China’s Xi: ‘We love each other’

Trump praises Chinese president extending tenure 'for life'

Donald Trump called Chinese leader Xi Jinping a 'brilliant man'

You're absolutely right that elections have consequences, but evidently you're not aware of what those consequences are or have been. You really need to research your claims before you make them.

Although China produces the most gallium and germanium, any place mining bauxite for aluminum also has these two metals. The US and Canada each have a mine, there's source of gallium in Greenland, and Ukraine, S. Korea and Japan mine gallium. In other words, the US can obtain these metals elsewhere, so Biden's microchip ban on China isn't necessarily ham-stringed.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I noticed that right off. I've never thought it was anything but a bio attack.

a reply to: pianopraze

what this does is it effectively makes the market for chinese chips and other products that use these kinda of metals more expensive. by limiting the raw materials sales and exports, and not finished products they can raise the price just below what other countries that produce the same products, when they raise their cost due to lack of materials and it also helps in cornering the market for them.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: pianopraze

what this does is it effectively makes the market for chinese chips and other products that use these kinda of metals more expensive. by limiting the raw materials sales and exports, and not finished products they can raise the price just below what other countries that produce the same products, when they raise their cost due to lack of materials and it also helps in cornering the market for them.

Graphene can replace the materials in a new generation of chips. they are already deving it. Chinas daya are numbered on using their materials as leverage.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: DBCowboy

I noticed that right off. I've never thought it was anything but a bio attack.

It was, but that's a conspiracy we're not allowed to talk about.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DBCowboy

Well yes. But it's not Biden who started it.
But the guys who says 'gina

Trump has not been the #1 diplomate for how long now ? And China just made this decision, how many years after Trump was President ?

And you had to try how hard, to bring up Trump in a discussion about CURRENT trade issues ?

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Secretary Blinken confirmed, and reaffirmed this Administration's commitment to " a one China policy".

So no, thats wrong. As an aside, his statement was the first time i'd heard that the United States held, a one China policy. It was always China saying it was thier policy.

China knows most, if not all, Western Market chip production cannot be reconstructed elsewhere in a quick or cost effecient manner. They intend to strangle western chip production before they move on Taiwan.

We have bauxite and zinc mines in the US that have an average of 50 ppm of gallium. We just do not mine it well enough and prefer to buy elsewhere.

The Moon will not help us, as it is fairly consistent at 5ppm.

We need to pay attention to our supplies of rare earth metals and minerals and take our dependences away from buying the through China. Gallium and germanium are crucial to chip production, and if we want our semiconductor industries back here again, we had better make sure that no other country can hold us hostage to the metals required.

NASA's Psyche asteroid mission is on track to hit its new launch target of October 2023.

This asteroid is the exposed core of a planetoid in the asteroid belt. It is loaded with Platinum, Gold, Palladium and many rare metals. If the mission uncovers what we think is there, we need to capture it and protect it from being exploited by others.

That will be a task for another generation, but if it could ever be mined, it could produce incredible rare materials. The platinum,gold and palladium are better left alone, as there is so much of it, the world markets would collapse if it was ever made available

a reply to: pianopraze

Well it looks like we will need to go in another direction because some of these elements are on the endangered list.

Gallium (atomic number 31; abundance = 0.0019%) is another element on the endangered list. If the supply of gallium runs out in the next 100 years, that will mean an interesting closure of a circle, because one of the “gaps” that Mendeleev predicted would be filled was the space under aluminum in the Periodic Table. Mendeleev called that unknown element “eka-aluminum”, meaning “after aluminum”, and when it was finally discovered it was named gallium. If we run out of gallium, in a sense, the entry for element 31 will be empty once again.

Why will we run out of gallium? Ninety-five percent of the gallium currently produced in the world is used to manufacture gallium arsenide (GaAs), an important semiconductor material and a significant component in the electronics industry. It is used in blue LED lights, lasers and solar panels, including the advanced solar panels in NASA’s Mars exploration probe.

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