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Rosatom personnel and Russian troops rapidly leaving Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant on mass

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posted on Jul, 3 2023 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe



The russian army is doing fine.


Short of having Vladimir Putin on speed dial, how would you know that?


The same exact way you know all the things you know.

By listening to the propaganda you want to hear and rejecting all other propaganda without examination.

That's essentially the bulk of what's happening in these threads. It's just propaganda, along with pearl clutching over the fact that when you don't negotiate peace you end up in a war, back and forth. The human cost is now only important when it can be used for getting imaginary points on an Internet forum where nobody is keeping score.

Radiation clouds blowing over Europe is just the price of going to war for "democratic principles" in a country that banned opposition press, had their leader installed by outside interests, and have cancelled their election. All so that the people living there can be ruled by the despot the US wants instead of another despot, and so that the US can exploit them. Being corrupt and all means it's a great place for US politicians and corporations to do as they please.

I'm sure it's all going to work out. There's no chance your press and government are lying about anything since there is no precedent of it ever happening. The counter offensive will turn the tide until they march on Moscow... in two more weeks and after a few billion more in supplies.
edit on 7/3/23 by Ksihkehe because: Typo



posted on Jul, 3 2023 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

Give it like 6-12hrs and the usual folks well come shout down reason and logic with all the propaganda you can shake a stick at.



posted on Jul, 3 2023 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: stevieray

I don't even have the Mrs on speed dial if i can help it.


The thing is, it's plainly evident that the Russian army is not doing well.

So claiming that "the Russian army is doing fine" is pretty much just wishful thinking.

And the losses they are incurring in both man, machine, and equipment are staggering, most of which cannot be replaced.



www.forbes.com...
www.businessinsider.com...#:~:text=%22That%20has%20come%20at%20a,army%2C %20is%20in%20Ukraine.%22
www.forbes.com...
www.politico.eu...

I don’t disagree with you too much on the basics.
And maybe, just maybe, our CIA / NSA / DIA …… are messing with Russia and China as they should, for America’s benefit.
It’s just the thing where the President’s family is helped by the US govt to be criminals, be bribed, get away with felonies, etc.
Don’t make up childish stories about 5 years ago, discuss honestly what’s literally happening as we speak. This is all I ask.



posted on Jul, 3 2023 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AuditTheAudit

This is just nuts.

If the daft bastards sabotage that power plant and it ends up blowing up/melting down.

Depending on what way the wind is blowing they may well end up irradiating themselves as much as Ukraine or the rest of Europe.


You are aware Ukraine has been shelling the plant for months now?

Yet you call Russia "daft bastards"?

What about the lunatics that have been firing American howitzers at it for almosta year now?

What about the psychopaths that blew up the dam that supplied water to the cooling ponds?

Or do you actually believe Russia is also firing at a positions they control like said by the MSM?

You all seriously act like the media hasn't ever lied to you before with nonsensical statements like this.
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posted on Jul, 3 2023 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

Actually I would say that Russia has a gain in destroying the Nuclear Power Plant. The reality is its on the front line. A front line where Russians best troops are fighting the points where Ukraine is trying to breakthrough on, and where Russia is sending Conscripts to hold the rest. The best troops have been guarding the plant so if they have to move them out, then conscripts come in, chances are it would fall to Ukraine, as Ukraine wants it. As a result, giving Ukraine a Nuclear Reaction is beneficial economically, industrially, and militarily. If Ukraine were to use the Nuclear to make dirty bombs, they could sneak them into Russia. Further, Industrially, it keeps there economy going and helps them recover. So yes, I can see why Russia would want to disable and prevent the nuclear reaction from being used for say the next 3-5 years if they can't keep it.

Camain



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 12:22 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: flice

Well, it's not Volodymyr Zelenskyy that's in possession of 5,977 nuclear weapons or thereabouts.

Or keeps on threatening he may use them because his conventional forces canny cut the mustard.

Ukraine gave up her nuclear arsenal in good faith which was the third largest in the world at the time with reassurances from Russia that they would never invade.

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=Nuclear%20arsenal%20of%20Russia,-The%20exact%20number&text=As%20of%202022 %2C%20the%20Federation,active%20deployed%20strategic%20nuclear%20warheads.


Ukraine never could use those, they were Russias and only could be launched from Moscow, I'm sure you already know all that though



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 12:56 AM
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Ok, let's say: there is a proxy war against Russia. The Minsk agreements and so on. And let's say the alternative media is right and report the actuality behind the fog of the mainstream.

And there are three possible outcomes: 1) a truce; 2) puppeteers behind the proxies aggressors win; 3) Russia wins (whatever is considered a victory; it's just that the proxy puppeteers do not achieve their goal, whatever it is).
In the third (and probably the first) case, it is likely to come to the so popular recently multipolar world, which is supposed to be fairly distributed, without American hegemony. That's what the experts say.

What will happen then to the world in each case? For example, in terms of the well-known high-level plans for the future expressed in Agenda 2030, "grean deal", "biosecurity" plans, pandemic agreements, WEF roadmaps, etc. (That is, as far as I understand, this is what we are going to live in, the whole life rearranged according to these road maps.) Will there be any difference in each of the three cases? Will any of the outcomes affect the implementation of these plans?

*I apologize for being off topic. It's just, judging by the failure of earlier predictions of hundreds of escalations, I dare suggest that it may not escalate in the same way. Despite the assurances of all kinds of media, which failed to predict previous escalations, several nuclear strikes, Ukrainian counterattacks, Russian losses, etc.

**And I forgot about the fourth option: the war goes on indefinitely, maybe forever.
Which reminds me that if you take a chronological sample of the hundreds of failed denouement predictions, it would be a lot of fun. But the alt-media specialists will be much funnier; because we know that the mainstream is service personnel and they are expected to basically lie, but the common perception is that, on the other hand, alt-media experts are trustworthy. And they just say hundreds of things that don't come true, and then go on. Amazing things. So we can get to 2025 without a problem.



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 07:11 AM
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a reply to: AngryCymraeg
The Ukrainians are failing miserably with their offensive, Russia occupie said nuclear reactor so basic logic dictates the Ukrainians will attack the nuclear reactor to drag wanky NATO into the war.



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: Cwantas

The topic is Rosatom and Russian troops leaving the plant.

Why do think that might be?

Basic logic?

Why would Ukraine want an even worse nuclear disaster than Chernobyl on it's soil?



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: JAY1980

"What about the psychopaths that blew up the dam that supplied water to the cooling ponds?"

The Russians?

How might Ukraine have done that when it was occupied by Russian troops?

And no, missiles and shelling wouldn't have done that.



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 10:32 AM
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"The counter offensive will turn the tide until they march on Moscow... in two more weeks and after a few billion more in supplies."

I don't think anyone is suggesting that might happen.



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: Cwantas

"Wanky NATO"?



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Cwantas

"Wanky NATO"?


I think that's a way of saying 'They're cheating - their technology all works and they don't use 50-60 year old tanks and their rifles are modern ones and they have food that's not filled with maggots and it's all so unfaaaaaiiiiiirrrr! Waaaaah!'



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: ARM1986

All they have to do is let Ukraine attack. Remember the defender needs it least 3:1 in most cases to win offensive fights especially against a fortified defender. Remind me how many folks Ukraine has to send to war and how many Russia has? They aren't getting any meaningful territory back at this point and to try by force will only lose them more in the long run. Its just simple math and logic...they need to negotiate with Russia. Best case I see the Donna's and separatist regions being given autonomy much like some of the other russian friendly areas around there have.


I know the numbers perfectly well. They held true with certain caveats. Those are not true in this case. Here we are starting to see a savage disparity in military equipment and tech. The old maxims are not quite rock solid now. You also have no idea how much ground Ukraine is really taking. I think it might be a surprise and if you cannot see that Wagner have played a part in a charade to position themselves for a rogue strike either on Kyiv or elsewhere, that would be another. This will not end well for Putin or his fanboys. Then, it won’t end well for many - war rarely does.



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 07:36 PM
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Not to mention how known every single radioactive trace is and each can be linked to its origins. I have sever doubts as to even being able to false flag anything like that.
a reply to: RickyD

USAF nuclear recon plane WC 135 "Constant Phoenix" has been deployed to the area looking for any unusual radiation

en.wikipedia.org...

The plane has been flying circuits over the Black Sea since before the Ukrainiane war started in 2022


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posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: ARM1986

I don't think ukraine is trying to take ground right now. Keep in mind most of there forces are in reserve. What they are doing is using their best troops to probe Russian positions. Russia then shores up that position with there best troops, Ukraine brings troops in relieving the good troops, and they get a slow gain, or a slow retreat, tying the Best Russian forces down. Rinse, wash, repeat. Eventually Either Russia or Ukraine run out of the best troops and a ukraine has to make a decision. If Russians best troops are all occupied, they can make a break. My guess is it will be in September, right before the snow falls. Break through, make a run, cut off supply routes, and encircle and decimate the center. OR, Ukraine either stalls, and nothing really changes. They can't afford that politically as that will hurt NATO supplying them, and a peace may be negotiated. OR, they throw everything they got into the mix next month trying to force the breakthrough. In which case they succeed, but at a higher cost, or they fail, and now Russia is in a position to nail them come spring. Its too early to tell right now. This is not a war like current conflicts. This is very much a WW1 style war, very defensive in nature and high cost to take land. Yes technology changes things, but the principle of it being slow is just that.

Camain



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: firerescue

Any leaks will be nothing like the explosion at Chornobyl, as the plant is basically decommissioned.



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 10:49 PM
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man, i really hope that ishpost from 4chan isn't right...

because this is just what we need, either Zaphorizia gets bombed or force it to go out of controll and melt down.

or worst case scenario the nukes fly and hit the plant



posted on Jul, 4 2023 @ 11:50 PM
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a reply to: TheToastmanCometh

It looks like the situation is getting downright stupid. On the Russian news, it is saying that Ukraine will be dropping a dirty bomb on the Power plant. Ukraine has said that the Russians have mined it and are pulling out. What will happen if a radiation event occurs will be that Article 5 will be enacted, Which is exactly what would suit the people in the know, as the radiological event will affect Europe. This will mean that it will go down. Which would suit a rioting Europe as Marshal law and lockdowns will be on the cards. Latest from Canadian prepper ...



posted on Jul, 5 2023 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: Mantiss2021

they wouldn't care... they would build low income housing on the site




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