when you know you know...

When I first found ATS in 2008 I mostly read or commented.
My very first thread was in 2009, it was about the then new EID cards in my country (electronic identity card).

Back then we were one of the firsts to have a chip in our ID card and I worried about it, and went as far as trying to dis-activate the chip with magnets. But when you presented yourself back then with a busted chip you got a 500 euro fine. I knew back then it was just the beginning of the end of our privacy....

But many here on ATS said, "so what? it just reads your ss number... no big deal"...

Now we are 14 years later and I imagine that there aren't a lot of countries left that don't have the EID card.

It is now used to store every possible information about us. We need it to access official documents, healthcare, ride public transportation! We no longer have medicine prescriptions on paper, they put it directly on the ID card and you need it to get your meds. You need it to fill in your tax information... you need it for EVERYTHING!

It started with a chip in a card, now they are talking about chips under your skin (I've read about people who had the chip in their hand but I'm not sure who does this and if it's even legal, but some already have it). Even compared to the talk about brain implants, the EID card seems ancient tech already!

When you know, you know....

What did you know 10-20 years ago, which no one would believe, that became reality?

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Behind the scenes there's plenty of databases on us.

We don't need an EID once they put a profile together and there's plenty of ways to track people these days. Your bank, your car, your face, your phone and any other smart electronics can be traced. They just need to put a name to the face so to speak and to use most of those things requires a bit of detail.

Personally I'm more bothered by the legal precedent being set, usually for the relevant authorities to track you they need a legal reason, how many are technically being traced illegally? Ya know? Information they (authorities) cannot legally submit to a court because only high profile criminals are supposed to be subject to such scrutiny.

The likes of an electronic ID just make things simpler, you have to be identified to do official business either way in a modern world. We're just digitised analogue systems which from a lawful pov is good since abuse of systems and fraud are supposedly easier to counter, it's also putting all our information into a profile too... But that's happening anyways in the background.

Data leaks and security are a huge issue too.

There is no way people on ATS just shrugged their shoulders about this.
Maybe there was one or two whose posts you remember.
But I can say with certainty that this would not have been the majority.

About 35 years ago I knew that around the year 2025 there would be nuclear holocaust.

I can't say it's something I've been telling people for the past 35 years, best keeping it to myself.

a reply to: RAY1990

The legal setup is a good point... I don't think this can be legal (yet). But since there are so many companies working with the ID chips, each for their own reasons... there is no way anyone is going to do anything about it.

For ex: If I want to take the bus/train, I need to go online, log in with my ID card, pay for a ticket, then scan my ID car when I enter but/train. They say it is 'easy' this way... I say they know exactly where I'm going the easiest way possible.
And that's just one example of the many things we can only do with our ID.

Are you saying you don't have this yet in the US? I thought it would've been everywhere by now

originally posted by: Hecate666
There is no way people on ATS just shrugged their shoulders about this.
Maybe there was one or two whose posts you remember.
But I can say with certainty that this would not have been the majority.

that thread didn't even get attention back then, no flags or stars either
Belgian EID card

originally posted by: Cwantas
About 35 years ago I knew that around the year 2025 there would be nuclear holocaust.
I can't say it's something I've been telling people for the past 35 years, best keeping it to myself.

we'll see in about two years...
Did you prep?

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

No, no prepping, kind of be glad to see the back of this place to be honest.

Ha, there is one advantage of living in Germany. They want all that totalitarian BS too but we are so far behind the moon meanwhile, we are far away from having a functioning infrastructure to make that digital madness real here. And also we are missing the people who could create and make all that BS really work, the well educated people with a bit of money fled and flee to other nations on earth who don´t rob them and in addition to that don´t handle them as second or third class persons or slaves while being at work.

They want all that BS here too, like smart meters, electrically operated heat pumps (they can control then via the smart meters, for example), digital medical records or anything, any info about the people digitally recorded, they want to get rid of cash money and all that known anti-human BS these bastards who want to control us need to control us even better.

They sometimes try but of course miserably fail every time, again and again. Sometimes it´s even advantageous for us citizens here that we obviously are ruled by an "elite" of intellectual low flyers meanwhile. It´s better to have fascist idiots failing than fascist geniuses succeeding.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

UK here.

They had plans for an ID card but nothing went forward due to costs if I remember correctly. I think there's one you can apply for here which might play a similar role? I've never really looked into it.

A friend of mine usually uses his bank card for travelling and due to a charging error was barred from the local buses (2-3 companies) and he had issues with taxies too apparently, I'm guessing this means they share details anyways. I wonder if things like that could be applied to credit reports too.

To use local bus apps or taxis apps requires an email and a bank account, I pay cash myself. Heck the taxi rank I use remembers my number and the last couple of addresses so I can speed up the process and use an automated operator. Profiles everywhere! Nothings compulsory but it needn't be tbh, most prefer the convenience of being tracked. We'll head the same way eventually.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

there is only one country worse than Switzerland when it comes to sheep herding in Europe. I think the Netherlands are gaining some ground too.

it's a slow creep around here, good thing we dodged the EU, bad thing you became their main hub...

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Well, even among European countries, Belgium was always famous for their bureaucrats. In the old days, they loved their rubber stamps, but it was the same game: control.

I suppose some of this is a predictable evolution of a society in which there are many people in a geographically small country, but that doesn't explain why France and Germany are basically police states as well.

Cheers

originally posted by: KindraLabelle2
a reply to: RAY1990

The legal setup is a good point... I don't think this can be legal (yet). But since there are so many companies working with the ID chips, each for their own reasons... there is no way anyone is going to do anything about it.

For ex: If I want to take the bus/train, I need to go online, log in with my ID card, pay for a ticket, then scan my ID car when I enter but/train. They say it is 'easy' this way... I say they know exactly where I'm going the easiest way possible.
And that's just one example of the many things we can only do with our ID.

Are you saying you don't have this yet in the US? I thought it would've been everywhere by now

As far as I know it hasn't been introduced in the US quite like that. I don't know why. Considering the feral nature of the population, it should be.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
Ha, there is one advantage of living in Germany. They want all that totalitarian BS too but we are so far behind the moon meanwhile, we are far away from having a functioning infrastructure to make that digital madness real here. And also we are missing the people who could create and make all that BS really work, the well educated people with a bit of money fled and flee to other nations on earth who don´t rob them and in addition to that don´t handle them as second or third class persons or slaves while being at work.

They want all that BS here too, like smart meters, electrically operated heat pumps (they can control then via the smart meters, for example), digital medical records or anything, any info about the people digitally recorded, they want to get rid of cash money and all that known anti-human BS these bastards who want to control us need to control us even better.

They sometimes try but of course miserably fail every time, again and again. Sometimes it´s even advantageous for us citizens here that we obviously are ruled by an "elite" of intellectual low flyers meanwhile. It´s better to have fascist idiots failing than fascist geniuses succeeding.

The question is, why did they fail in Germany and France? Is it because the people stood up against it?
Over here no one stood up, no one saw a problem with it either.

We also have the smart meters, mine is coming next month and I don't get to refuse it. Heat pumps are mandatory for new housing and when you renovate. We have digital medical records who are shared in our 'global medical file' (that's what they call it!)

Oh the medical file, now that's a whole other topic! I can access mine and my daughters file online. One time I took my kid to a neurologist and later that week we read the file and saw what he added in there. It read: "the mother thinks the daughter is faking her symptoms" !!! (I did not say or do anything that even hinted to that!) But the entry is now in her record, which is permanent, and other doctors probably won't take her so serious now.

a reply to: RAY1990

having one card for everything is damn easy, it speeds up things quit a lot, sometimes to much. No more email or bank account needed, unless to pay online upfront

but it's not ethical. Most people don't even realize how much they are being tracked, and the older generation hardly knows how to use a computer, let alone set up a card reader and work online.

I'm honestly surprised to learn that other countries don't have this yet. I guess you guys are going straight away for the brain implants!

Some more things we need our ID for:

-public transportation
-entry at some cultural events, amusement parks (still optional)
-access official instances (almost only available online and with card login)
-get medication
-activate a sim card for cell phone
-customer card at some stores
-taxes, everything related to pension, childcare, unemployment payments, ...
-activate apps (we have an app called 'itsme', that let's you transport the data on the ID to the app, so you don't even have to pull out the card but just use your phone, the youth loves it)

Everything they used to ask your name or ss for, now they say "pls enter your card in the card reader", and trrrrrrrrr there is all your info.


A lot of people say, what does it matter? As long as you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear... who cares that they know everything about you? It's not like they are watching you all the time!
I guess not, but it's the feeling of being watched all the time, of having no privacy at all. I can leave my work, go do stuff all day and at the end of the day, that whole day can be traced.... that is how far we are

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Back then we were one of the firsts to have a chip in our ID card and I worried about it, and went as far as trying to dis-activate the chip with magnets

Imagine you forgot your electronic ID card in the microwave on low settings and remembered it after a second but it looked fine on the outside so you forgot about the ordeal all together...

originally posted by: KindraLabelle2

... What did you know 10-20 years ago, which no one would believe, that became reality?

That 9/11 was a set up inside job.

That the Bush family were conning all of us.

That I no longer trusted anything from the gov't or the media.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

We have NHS online where we can access our medical records. Systems like that are supposed to be used on a "need access basis" apparently, I'm guessing y'all use a similar system which lodges any alterations to information via dates. Keep note of that because if her experiences with the medical system indicate they aren't taking her seriously then you have a case and a person to point at. I've had a similar issue recently where they really messed up, long story short they tried to treat pleurisy/pericarditis with anti-anxiety meds and ones related to digestion lol. All based on "opinion".

We probably have the same or similar systems throughout officialdom here, the key difference is access. Usually we need to request information or submit FOIA request... I was told there's 2 levels of information held when it comes to medical records, this was from a stressed medical professional who lost his job due to an unrelated incident. I saw evidence of that in my medical records including redacted bits of information via a 3rd party. I'm guessing we can't integrate yet because behind the scenes our systems are a bit of a mess.

Abuse of systems in the UK is evident too. Plenty of bent coppers and dodgy practices. I agree about the ethics even if these systems were 100% secure. Access and reason for access is what comes to mind including the unlikeliness of a warrant being needed.