Has disclosure commenced?, page 4

Here's more to add to this thread re: the documents "Request To Admit" & "Response To Request To Admit" filed on April 11th, 2005 as part an application by the American Deppeller family to remain in Canada as political refugees.

www.rense.com...

I have provided an edited transcripted conversation between Dr. Burisch & Don Deppeller that allegedly took place on Nov 13, 2003:

This following part of the transcript from Burisch is, IMO, very intriguing, whether fact or fiction:

(IMINVSBL is the name of the person that used to threaten me, and his minions) didn't want Eagles to come out at that time, because of what the ruins on Mars really mean and neither did I when I helped write the book.

The (Mars) ruins are a timeline overlay of our (human) future settlement. Arthur C. Clarke is aware of that fact, and even said that we would have…a '...nasty little surprise when we go there." Nothing like finding a human signature and future date written on something supposed et huh?

DonDep: We know how hard you've been working on Lotus, and the Ganesh, and if I understand correctly, there are 2 factions fighting for the soul of this planet… many of your fellow humans out here would like to know what side in the fracture of the Committee of the Majority you are on.

Dan Burisch: I am aware of 2, comprising one hostile and the other the J-Rods from ret./Brothers from Orionis.

DonDep: Do you believe the J-Rods are "good"? Or could they be subservient to a selfish group, higher than they?

Dan Burisch: The J-Rod to which I was assigned was a humble traveler, given a mission. he fulfilled it to his best and gave his life to it…He was good, and did not fool me or anything like that…They are us.

There does exist a faction that wants to open Pandora's Box, now. They are selfish and arrogant. They are also racists.

DonDep: Tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, are familiar with your story. My wife and I are even now in Canada, trying to stay safe and undead over your story. We are also involved with the story of zetatalk; are you familiar with it?

Dan Burisch: Nancy Lieder? PX (Pplanet X) and all that?

DonDep: There is a strong strain of christian-based fundamentalism that is framing any interaction with ETs as "fallen angels"

Dan Burisch: They aren't fallen angels…No more than we, as humans, are.

DonDep: You claimed you knew "darn well" what majestic was up to, on several fronts.....does your work go to the folks who run majestic?

Dan Burisch: Ya. The CotM broke apart, so we are back to the 1950's with the chain O Command.

DonDep: A faction has intruded on our forum thread, stating that CotM was divided into 2 groups of 16…One group, headed by "J", with your help, is being 'recalcitrant'…They are hiding the Ganesh (or Lotus?) in the Ark.

Dan Burisch: If recalcitrant means that he is not willing to hand over the Lotus, before an agreement to which the rogue J-Rods may be bound... yes.

DonDep: Which the other group is sending a team into 2004-2005, after the (what? cataclysm?) to find it.

Dan Burisch: They are bargaining to have an increased abduction rate to 10,000,000 per year, plus the Lotus prior to the T9 treaty being signed.

DonDep: what should the rogue J-rods be bound by, and why are they 'rogue'?

Dan Burisch: They are abducting individuals worldwide, without the permission of the present's Human authorities. They are also the culprits in many of the cattle mutilations. The ones not committed by drug companies, etc.

DonDep: We are being given to understand that the treaty is only to be signed by the faction that wishes to keep the populace in the dark, with no 'Disclosure', the other faction wishes to be announced and conduct peaceful discourse.....in your opinion, why has there been no disclosure as of yet, or is that planned?

Dan Burisch: No, no, no... The treaty is established between the remnants of the worldwide human authority (previously run by the CotM)…

No, there is no disclosure planned...at least to my knowledge…But, in a sense, it is happening anyway...By the time anyone figures out what I am doing (large populace wise)...the course will already have been taken, by humanity. You have to understand what I have told people, while being true, will probably not make a bit of difference, after the course has been taken..

The purpose of the treaty, that is, the purpose of involving the rogue faction of J-Rods... is to hold them down on two fronts: The first front is of lesser importance...to hold them down to an agreed upon abduction rate and list...like the list I was on when a boy and it happened to me in 1973. The second, they MUST promise to not interfere (MIBS) with representatives of foreign governments... The MIBS are aliens…well...et's, not really aliens.

They have been planting the seeds of discontent with their places in the world, in order to obtain their assistance with present time research into the neurological deficit...that is how they do the communications. In return, the governments have been obtaining technology from them. Stargate technology.

DonDep: Stargate technology, to move across the universe? or access other dimensions?

Dan Burisch: We (meaning the U.S.) must root out and find the stargates that are manmade. Yes, to access vast distances...and with that technology goes time access as well.

In 2012, the Sun will shower the earth with waves of energy, bound to the Einstein-Rosen Bridges that are clumped together at the Galactic equator. All of the natural stargates will turn on...and as they say in Hollywood... something wonderful will happen. What that means...I don't really know. But, if we do not capture and disable the manmade ones, the record books read that we will undergo a tragedy. 4 billion at minimum dead.

DonDep: Is one of the stargates in Iraq?

Dan Burisch: Two. We have 1 of them.

DonDep: Why must we disable the manmade ones?

Dan Burisch: The excess energy from the activated stargates was theorized by the folks from the future to have been a main cause of a pole shift, first magnetic, then geophysical.

DonDep: so how does the Ark and Planet X fit into this scenario?

Dan Burisch: The Ark is being built in the United States. Where? I shouldn't say to you. It is the progenitor of the ones that go to the moon and Mars. The remaining peoples will comprise that group which will lead, through microevolution, to becoming J-Rods.

DonDep: I learned from good-hearted people close to you that you finished the project for the Ark back on Dec 4

Dan Burisch: My portion is complete. Biospherics work mainly. But, the model is due at the end of 2004.

DonDep: And who becomes the Orion group? Not the elite, planning their escape this very moment?

Dan Burisch: It is not just the elite, so to speak that will be going. People from every continent have been chosen. Because of J's work, many of the rich/power brokers have been excluded. They have been chosen from all fields of endeavor.

As for PX. Nancy Lieder is very correct that PX is "Out there." It is something very different than what she has interpreted though.

PX is the gateway to the center of our galaxy. It is tied with "something wonderful", but I don't know what that means. I believe, that William Henry is correct in that regard, more akin to an oval mass of energy that acts as a stargate. The DCTP, familiar with that concept?

DonDep: will it cause a pole shift in the very near future, as she claims?

Dan Burisch: The electromagnetic pole shift is already underway. You can track that from geomagnetic observations of magnetic north.

DonDep: we are applying our collective consciousness to how we can have free will simultaneously with this time travel fact

Dan Burisch: The action of free will is a certainty, but the actions of the paradox seemlessly overlay reality upon it.

DonDep: how can the future be established and we still have free will?

Dan Burisch: overlays

DonDep: does that mean that there are alternate realities in which we've made different decisions?

Dan Burisch: That I don't know. We chose to act, and reality plays itself out as a stack of cards.

DonDep: So to go back to the Secrets of the Universe, that you are the keeper of....what is the Ganesh to be used for?

Dan Burisch: I am no keeper of such things...I look and humbly ask God to see…God is the keeper. The Ganesh can't be used!

DonDep: Have you seen a holograph of our future, then?

Dan Burisch: Yes.

DonDep: Will a catastrophe happen before year's end? I can keep that confidential if need be, we have but a month or so anyway.

Dan Burisch: I can give no more than I have given, with respect to the future. I am sorry. What I have seen I know can be changed.

DonDep: Then we do have hope! We can change the future with our free will, correct?

Dan Burisch: If I breathe it, it can help it come to pass, what you ask, because I would literally be laying a timeline on a timeline with the information and that would be wrong. Yes, the catastrophe does not have to come to pass...

If it doesn't, the J-Rods (and out other half) that exist in the future will continue in this reality, but time shifted to the present…So the DCTP says. That is why I am fighting so hard.

But there exists people that would try to turn this into a technology that would be akin to grabbing the fruit of the Tree of Life. I can't help them, whatsoever. If I do, I would also be grabbing, and I fear those consequences a 1000 found greater than a gun to my back. Or even one discharged.

The Lotus is a natural thing. It isn't something that some Frankenstein's laboratory cooked up. It exists all around us. We are part of it, and it, us. Every mote of dust emits the particles, naturally. It is the driving force, through the Creator (Blessed be He) that moves life on earth forward to His will.

The Ganesh Particles are those modes of transportation whereby the actions of the Divine One hands through and over the Daat, a piece of the Supernal. As we are God, He is us. The Tree of Life is what we are. Not just Humans, but the entire experience of life.

The Ganesh Particles have been there all along. They hide themselves under bent waves of electromagnetism, and flicker out of existence, back across the Daat, with little effort. The crude laboratory protocols of today, limit, by their very nature, the ability to find them. The sifting, sorting, etc. I found them by a process of elimination. I mean, I was kind of told they were there

DonDep: Thankfully for that; my wife and I are tired of dodging surveillance teams and phone taps; we are only trying to do what any human should do to help the rest of humanity. And I KNOW that there is a 'dark force' that wants the Fruit for itself; we are all trying hard to discern which side is which, which is good, and why the PTB are hiding the truth about ET from us. Many of our fellow humans may be stunned with the realization of ET as more than a myth, but the rest of us have been dumbed-down for so long we need a collective exclamation to wake up to the Creator, and the hierarchy between It and Us. Do you think the Lotus, the Ganesh Particles, are a world-seed then? (Told by Chi'ielah?)

Dan Burisch: Where did you get that name?

DonDep: From one of the non-J faction that spoke to the assemblage on the forum I represent, I was told it was the name of your friend from the Clean Sphere.,

Dan Burisch: Well, I promised the J-Rod that I would never speak his name, so onward...

Dan Burisch: have seed earth since the inception of life here. They are much more (if you can believe it) than that though, in my opinion (hypotheses follow)...

DonDep: I was also told that the forum is being used to play out the conflict between these two factions and so we would have a hand in history. a spiritual think-tank, if you will, for humanity

Dan Burisch: If they are playing out some game there (forum?) it is not for the benefit of humanity...

DonDep: the entity also said you are surrounded by a 'light being' that 'doesn't have their best future in mind'

Dan Burisch: Which side started (the comments), and what was the person's name?

DonDep: Another entity is possibly responsible for this conversation taking place, who shared some of your recent Interrogatories with us the entity called itself "IMINVSBL", and the antagonist's name was "Peace"

Dan Burisch: IMINVSBL is the name of the person that used to threaten me, during the writing of Eagles Disobey...and BJ Wolf and Butch Howell and Robert Charles.

DonDep: "IMINVSBL" stated the "diplomatic opposition" was going into 2004-2005 to find your 'project'

Dan Burisch: They have already tried that. I am aware. They have paid the consequence for grabbing at the fruit.

DonDep: wow. so now we know. what is IMINVSBL's perspective?

Dan Burisch: He is a representative of the rogues (I believe).

DonDep: He says he wants "J" to talk. Sounds almost arrogant, but we have to keep an open mind, since BJ's last words to me were "all is not what it seems"

Dan Burisch: He (and his minions) didn't want Eagles to come out at that time, because of what the ruins on Mars really mean and neither did I when I helped write the book.

The ruins are a timeline overlay of our future settlement. Arthur C. Clarke is aware of that fact, and even said that we would have…a '...nasty little surprise when we go there." Nothing like finding a human signature and future date written on something supposed et huh?

DonDep: So what can I take back to this forum thread, where thousands of enquiring minds want to know first of all if you're alive, second, should the fear Planet X, is the Lotus safe in your hands, is "J" a good guy, are the PTB really concerned about our welfare, why don't they tell us about ET, is the Ark a good thing, etc?

Dan Burisch: I am alive... No one should fear what they (public) really can change (PX issue)...look to Descartes for the philosophical bend on that...

The Lotus is safe in God's hands...I am only allowed to see (record) what is being allowed...as I have asked...only to "look" over the East gate a bit...

J is definitely a good guy, at least from my perspective. God fearing, sound reason, cares about people, etc...

DonDep: And is it possible, that there is a service-to-other-type of j-rod group that wants to meet us publicly, but there is a selfish group, allied with the earthly CofM and other masonic-based occult groups that wants to control and exploit us, especially our emotional energy? A letter is making the rounds on the net

Dan Burisch: No, many of the (P)owers (T)hat (B)e (if I am taking the letters right), are not concerned about our welfare.

DonDep: that asked, "Do you want us to show up?" It is well-written, and asks earnestly for only a simple answer to that question, but a sincere answer. It claims that many things are being discovered in secret laboratories (read majestic) that at present only the selfish faction has access to

Dan Burisch: They have justified not telling us about ET out of fear for the timelines and panic (loss of psychological bearing due to the realization of being in a reality-stack (chimera) )...

DonDep: it claims that if we say "yes", in our hearts, that will be our ballot. our vote. that we have the power to bring exposure, since the good faction has been locked out of the halls of the treaty-based groups

Dan Burisch: The Ark is a good thing if we fail in our mission...the race continues on (ultimately going to Orion)...as already written in our future history...it just accomplishes what we already know about those from Orion).

DonDep: that there is only 2 ways it can happen; through an agreement with duly-elected reps (WE DON'T HAVE THEM ANYMORE!) OR through our own heart-felt wish to have transparency. What would you say?

Dan Burisch: I am unaware of the letter...haven't even heard rumor of it. As to such concepts...

DonDep: Is it really fear on the part of our Elders that is keeping this all under wraps? Or the realization that they have covered for so long, it's too late, and the social structure wouldn't allow for anything but a panic that would ruin our society. I can understand that, many of us really do.

Dan Burisch: I was unaware until a few years ago of the Masonic connection to Majestic, that in fact they were also connected to the so-called Illuminati.

DonDep: I'm familiar with the entrances at 1733 and 2800 on 16th street to the hallowed halls

Dan Burisch: I am aware of the Temples. 1733 and 2800, addresses? Only been to one of them and was driven there.

DonDep: Yes, to 1789. You don't think they go in the front door, do you…did you?

Dan Burisch: I was taken in down a long line of sphinxes... The subculture within the MJ community let me in on all that illumoinati stuff.

DonDep: I found it more than ironic that the division is between 16 and 16 (with one passed over), on 16th st of the '33' "Investors", as the J-ASON Society is known

Dan Burisch: The last I heard before the CotM breakup if that is to what you refer...

DonDep: the M-ASON Society

Dan Burisch: That the number was 15 for disclosure and the rest, a no... Then a big break up announcement and told everyone to just fall in line under the 10 remaining members of the MJ12, which is now 11 I hear...

DonDep: I was just told it was 16 to 16, with one "passed over", or abstention?

not important to us at the moment, since we can't convince a single vote to switch, or can we?

Dan Burisch: I have sway with 2 of the 12, but don't quote me on that!
DonDep: Do you think we should have disclosure?

Dan Burisch: The subculture told me and let me in on that fact that certain higher ups (committee members) were Luciferians.

DonDep: Do you think we should have disclosure?

Dan Burisch: They are hiding the truth...to the best of my knoweldge for two reasons...

The government levels that are aware of the presence, mostly under that of the CotM...some of them aren't even aware that it really existed -> knowledge of the ET presence and have given the CotM allegiance to the secret that ET exists. ...But they haven't known what the secret really was. They just think...another species...or series of species. But they don't know that ET is US!

So, they hide the secret to keep the government from being in trouble with the masses that would yell coverup! The higher authorities...hide that secret (from the future) from them (certain in Congr, D o D, etc)

They think they can't handle that truth? Shocking, but not impossible about ET being us, and from the public due to fear of emotional instability that can arise from the knowledge that our reality isn't what it exactly seems to be.

So, there isn't one coverup, there's two: The lower ones I despise...they have given their allegiance like dogs, for kibbles.

DonDep: but there are 2 groups of ETs, (spiritually), "as above, so below".

Dan Burisch: One group that is logical, mathematical (J-Rods...meaning the number 15) and the other (the spiritual group...the future of that group who would take to the Ark in time of catastrophe).

Within the J-Rods are two (or more, not sure) groups. One that is working with us, and the other that is very rogue and wants its own way to try to solve the problems.

DonDep: the 'spiritual' ones get to go first-class? and the rest fly coach?

Dan Burisch: Not the problem of the possible catastrophe mind you, the short sighted neuro-degenerative condition...they couldn't give a rats-ass about what they feel is inevitable.

DonDep: but there is more than one scenario for the future, right? Which means that everything isn't written in stone?

Dan Burisch: We don't think it's invevitable… It's only written in the mind of God.

DonDep: We meaning the majority on the CotM?

Dan Burisch: We, meaning those that wished for disclosure in the first place within this last couple of years.

DonDep: The current majority? Which has 16, and the other 16 are, what, more ethnic/int'l in flavor, or more Luciferian?

Dan Burisch: That group NO LONGER EXISTS as a functional unit.

DonDep: the 16 that allied with "J"

Dan Burisch: It is now under a control group, modeled after the original MJ12.

DonDep: They wished for Disclosure, and are the remaining group, but the other ones....what becomes of them?

Dan Burisch: I don't know. They haven't told me. I trust they are being held away from the rogue J-Rods though.

DonDep: I understand MJ12 was the original superior group, and was surprised to learn they subordinated themselves to the CotM

Dan Burisch: They better be, with their connections.

DonDep: But what do these rogue J-rods want? They are pleading their case to us too, and we have to know what their agenda is to make a coherent decision.

Dan Burisch: They were put in the background some years ago, when Illuminists took over and began working through the power structure of The Bavarians.

DonDep: why were they put in the background?

Dan Burisch: They may be wishing to pressure me to release the data prior to their signature on the T9.

All I have been told is that the Luciferians took over the Control Group (MJ12 or whatever one would want to call it). They are now wandering the countryside..apostates. They were getting us into a worse fix with the rogue J-Rods...leading us to a path of destruction.

DonDep: Apparently they are trying to go over the heads of the potentates who profess to speak for us, who are not even representing duly-elected representatives (we don't have 'duly-elected' since 2000), and appeal to the populace. Possibly.

Dan Burisch: Correct. I have no problem, intellectually, with this information reaching the populace...sure there are many who would have some difficulty with it (disclosure)...but some have difficulty stepping away from the television too. I believe in humanity. I have reason to, as God believes in us.

DonDep: I feel a great sense of obligation to do what's right for humanity, Dan, my own self be damned, and as your friend/source-to-me said, "I try to walk in the light"....wished that I could break this cycle, but couldn't see it happening. I want to do what is right for all of us?.

Dan Burisch: You won't be damned. People walk away from God, not He them. The angels are all around us.

DonDep: Which is why this conversation is so important. Yes, even one 'clothed in light' is purported to be around you at this time… but as BJ reminded me in that email about angels, "all is not what it seems"

Dan Burisch: Bask in the information...the fruit of the tree of Knowledge has already been taken...it's free now...just as the Book of Rezial was given to the post-fall notion of the Adam...

Angels are not always what they seem. But truth be told, you can see their faces no matter which way they turn.

DonDep: I think that is what was being told to me. The angel may not be of the good, but more of a 'fallen angel' variety. They cloak themselves in ritual etc

Dan Burisch: The one to whom you refer doesn't cloak under anything.

DonDep: meaning, the one I was told that hovers near you is of the good variety? Not 'cloaked'?

Dan Burisch: The only angels that I would allow near me are good. I am a human, I have that choice...unless superceded by God (Blessed be He).

DonDep: have we the best answer then on Planet X, the Ganesh, the Lotus, the Ark, MJ12, why the rogue Jrods are up to no good, etc

Dan Burisch: Well...those topics are hours, if not days of discernment...I think we have touched them in a fair manner. Thanks for spreading the word about the Lotus.

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